MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[bettybaby00]

JMO I really don't know if that is ok or not. Maybe potential defendants can know, if they are not already charged...... Did the Ramsey's know pretty much of the evidence? I can't remember. They were not charged. JMO

Oh dear. That's a loaded question!!!!

 

[krimekat]

Ramseys werent employed by the police dept.

what?

please

 

[krimekat]

Do I understand correctly - the purpose of this group is to support interests of one race of people?
Seems very racist to me.

no the purpose of this segregated group is because they don't support what the Democrats are doing in StL County -- regardless of race, right?

Laugh Laugh Laugh -- all one needs to do is take a road trip through the County -- some areas are crap some are expanding . . wonder which areas are giving more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the county's coffers? please

 

[katydid23]

Do you think that they are sharing that same information with the victim's attorneys as well? Or do the victim's rights not include that?

I can't put my finger on it and thus the reason I'm asking the questions but yes, something does seem hinky if they are giving evidence to one side and not another, not to mention the fact that the defendant can then craft his testimony to match that evidence. Yeah, that doesn't sit well with me at this stage in the game. But like my original question asked, maybe there is a duty to disclose such evidence at the GJ stage, not just during a trial.

OW cannot craft his testimony because he is already on record with 3 interviews with state and federal investigators, early on. And there were no forensics results available back then.

I don't know if they are communicating the forensics results with the Brown family or not. I think there is a very different relationship existing, as the Browns are publicly condemning the chief, and asking for him to be fired.

I don't see it as hinky. Officer Wilson is still employed by them. If the forensics showed him to be deceitful, he would be in :jail: now, imo.

 

[popsicle]

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[reedus23]

I'm just stating her early August interview has been debunked & why would the GJ waste time on her . . . but they have the time -- until Jan 2015!! Listen to all those who have something pertinent to the case & make your decision

All I know is I support ODW & all LEO & firefighters & EMTs out there not making much $$$$ keeping us safe! I am glad there is one less gang banging on the streets on StL -- ya, I said it!!! Oh, let's say 2 since Dorian is being protected by Holder's men

Wow my friend, wow.

I get you think she's been debunked, but that doesn't mean she's been debunked in fact. That will happen when the GJ comes back with no indictment. Until then, yes, to present only one side of the story and not the other is equivalent to fixing the outcome. I do agree with your other sentence though. Listen to all and then make a decision.

I will tell you if I support OW after the evidence comes out, otherwise I can't think of a firefighter I don't support and I support all LEO that operate within the bounds of the constitution. And yes, all make way too little money. I think to get better cops and eliminate the bad ones, it is mandatory that they be paid more.

As for the one less gang banging ...well, I respect you for your honesty. It's more refreshing than the subtleties or beating around the bush.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh dear. That's a loaded question!!!!

Right?!

Wow...that's some can of worms...


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[LambChop]

I don't disagree with you if you're saying the GJ probably doesn't have any interest in hearing from Josie. I was only saying that she could be compelled to IF the GJ wanted her to.

I guess they could if they can indict a ham sandwich.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ramseys werent employed by the police dept.

For some reason, the DA's seemed to be working for them...IMO


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[reedus23]

At this point in time, Officer Wilson is still employed by the FPD. He has not been fired, nor charged with a crime. So why wouldnt he be privy to the facts in the investigation of his case?

If you can't see what is wrong with a subject of an investigation being given evidence of what that investigation is showing then there really is no need for us to go on further honestly. I don't care if he's on paid administrative leave or not, he is still the subject of a criminal investigation and LE does not, in my experience, tell the subjects of that investigation "Hey, thought you might want to know, this is what we've found out so far."

 

[cady]

JMO I wish Gitana were here, but I don't think she is following this. She is an attorney, and explains legal stuff so well! JMO

 

[katydid23]

Can't really compare the Ramseys to Officer Wilson. He is employed still, to this day, by the FPD. He has not been fired or arrested or charged with anything. Nor has he written any fake ransom notes.

 

[reedus23]

I'm sure "info" circulates within the various departments/agencies.

I have no doubt it gets back doored to him, but that doesn't make it right. In fact, that is part of the problem people complain about when cops investigate cops.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Because usually LE doesn't open up their investigative file to the subject of an investigation.

IMO this is an investigative grand jury. It works a little differently.


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[reedus23]

I just heard on CNN that ODW was testifying for four hours! WOW!

Yeah, I would have thought it would have been all day or over multiple days. Depositions in run of the mill rear end accidents take as long as 4 hours.

 

[SwampMama]

I only know because I track and watch the space station when it does a fly by over my house ...I set it to send me an email on the NASA website, I go outside to watch!...and I have the NASA app that sends push notifications.
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:floorlaugh: LOL, you are a a geek!!

:crush: ( But I love it! That sounds pretty awesome!)

 

[bettybaby00]

Do you think that they are sharing that same information with the victim's attorneys as well? Or do the victim's rights not include that?

I can't put my finger on it and thus the reason I'm asking the questions but yes, something does seem hinky if they are giving evidence to one side and not another, not to mention the fact that the defendant can then craft his testimony to match that evidence. Yeah, that doesn't sit well with me at this stage in the game. But like my original question asked, maybe there is a duty to disclose such evidence at the GJ stage, not just during a trial.

I posted the "victims rights" info earlier, which the way I read it, the DA keeps the family informed.

Wilson was not obligated to testify, and also has spoken with St. Louis County investigators twice and federal investigators once, the source said. The source said that Wilson had been “cooperative.”

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...icle_74022ab8-756f-5e1d-81b3-3c577f1e9208.htm

BBM I'm sure the above was done prior to much of the "evidence" being available. he can't change his GJ testimony to fit the evidence when he already has made official statements.

 

[krimekat]

If you can't see what is wrong with a subject of an investigation being given evidence of what that investigation is showing then there really is no need for us to go on further honestly. I don't care if he's on paid administrative leave or not, he is still the subject of a criminal investigation and LE does not, in my experience, tell the subjects of that investigation "Hey, thought you might want to know, this is what we've found out so far."

No one really knows if he's being supplied anything above & beyond he needs to know . . . truth will exonerate him against the liars spouting off to MSM

oh, Holder's due in to town again

why continue to vote Democrat & remain poor??? I don't get it

 

[Lovejac]

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Oh mercy me! I think this is an awesome idea, and I wish them the BEST of luck trying to clear up all of those misperceptions. But given the last two meetings that I've witnessed with my own eyes and ears, I'm not very hopeful

 

[reedus23]

I guess they could if they can indict a ham sandwich.

I'm not sure I'm following. I legitimately meant they wouldn't have an interest or need to hear from her. And yes, if McCulloch wants an indictment, he can get one, even here. If he doesn't want one, he won't get one.