MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[popsicle]

Oh mercy me! I think this is an awesome idea, and I wish them the BEST of luck trying to clear up all of those misperceptions. But given the last two meetings that I've witnessed with my own eyes and ears, I'm not very hopeful

Town Hall meeting... do you think they are going to be allowed to speak?

 

[New1]

This line of thought never gets old, does it? <modsnip> Let's use Dorian Johnson as an example.

Counting his current child on the way, he will soon have three babies with three different baby mamas. That's two children for sure that have no live-in father figure. Unsure if Dorian had a job or not, but this guy is so concerned about nurturing his future son or daughter that he got over $2000 behind on his rent and according to some, may have finally been evicted. So there's another life beset with future roadblocks to success. Rather than be responsible, Dorian takes a love 'em and leave 'em approach. Rather than getting whatever job(s) are required to pay child support to give his other children a chance to thrive, Dorian smokes weed. The liberal social stance that "it's just sex-lol" or "it's just weed-no biggie" leads to "it's just poverty" and "it's just jail". Once in one of those two places, or both, who often gets the blame? Now, with regard to what we know about Dorian and his choices, which part is the fault of white people?

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[katydid23]

IMO, Darren isn't being handed investigative files. He may be aware of some of the evidence coming back, etc. also, investigators could have come back to him to inquire abt little things, things witnesses stated, etc.

I don't believe an FPD officer involved in a shooting would have free reign with StL County's files.

Thats exactly what I am saying. He would know a certain amount from the way he is questioned. And from the way he is treated.

 

[popsicle]

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[reedus23]

really? I'd like to see some proof as I sat in StL County GJ for 3 months in 2007 & typically was sent home early due to lack of evidence to present to us :blushing:

$15 a day that session when I was missing out on $815 a day on project with Mercy Health . . .

Ahhhh, that would explain. An attorney is making $300 an hour or whatever and has more incentive to be more thorough. The more thorough he is, the longer it takes, the more money he makes. Seriously, $15 a day is stupid. They should be paid much much more for that service so that they do have an incentive to be more thorough. Would it shock you to find out that some depositions last multiples of days? I'd say an average one, if anywhere near thorough, is going to last 3-4 hours on a simple auto case. Hell, just the background info I'd want to know would take an hour or two.

I can't wait for the transcripts to come out. I'm really curious to see what was said and what was asked. I wonder if they even remotely inquired into any racial beliefs he might hold. I mean, how do you know either way if you never ask.

 

[Lovejac]

JMO I wish Gitana were here, but I don't think she is following this. She is an attorney, and explains legal stuff so well! JMO

I've begged her periodically lease:

 

[krimekat]

Wow my friend, wow.

I get you think she's been debunked, but that doesn't mean she's been debunked in fact. That will happen when the GJ comes back with no indictment. Until then, yes, to present only one side of the story and not the other is equivalent to fixing the outcome. I do agree with your other sentence though. Listen to all and then make a decision.

I will tell you if I support OW after the evidence comes out, otherwise I can't think of a firefighter I don't support and I support all LEO that operate within the bounds of the constitution. And yes, all make way too little money. I think to get better cops and eliminate the bad ones, it is mandatory that they be paid more.

As for the one less gang banging ...well, I respect you for your honesty. It's more refreshing than the subtleties or beating around the bush.

I'm not one to ever beat around a bush both DJ & MB IMHO were gang bangers Are You Kidding Me?! Most kids in north county/city are . . . TRUTH !!

And yeah, she can have her day at the GJ & then be debunked by facts -- facts are prevalent

 

[reedus23]

I am not saying they are pulling up a chair and showing him the files. I am just saying that they would be telling his attorney some things they are learning. And that happens with many subjects of ongoing investigations. it is not that unusual. Defense attorneys have those kinds of relationships with investigators as they work on many cases together over the years. And have other cases simultaneously. My dad was often told how 'serious' the evidence against a certain defendant was or was not, at various times.

It boils down to this: If things were looking bad, and the evidence was coming back showing he was LYING, then his attorney would have figured that out. But if things were being corroborated, that might be communicated to them as well. Especially if he was going to decide if he was going to testify.

Many times, subjects of ongoing investigations are brought in and told " hey, thought u might want to know, this is what we found so far...." The reason they do that is to get the subject onboard with the program or scare them..." WE already know this so you better start talking..."

I'm following you and don't disagree but not really the point or question I was asking.

 

[reedus23]

Who would tell him that? Not the prosecutors, not the witnesses and certainly not his attorney because he is not permitted to sit in with the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury sessions are secret. Their discussion amongst each other is secret. OW would know who the witnesses are because it has been mentioned in the media. The only ones not mentioned would be those who came forward and supported OW's claim about what happened and he would have no contact with them. Unless the juror's themselves are calling OW with a report I don't see how he would know what is happening during those sessions.

Any one have any idea?

Not the GJ investigation.

The County PD investigation.

 

[reedus23]

Tweaked?

C'mon. If he was guilty of "executing" MB tweaking ain't gonna save him.

Whoever thinks OW "executed" MB is a fool. But that doesn't answer justification or not.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't know if Brown was a gang banger or a .

I do know he certainly behaved that day like one.

I don't know if his behavior that day was chemically induced or his normal everyday behavior....

For that, I'm going to have to wait and see.





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[cady]

That answers how the whole conversation even started. I was wondering if OW was being supplied any of the evidence of the investigation. No one knows. Fair enough. Will avoid the flaming about the other stuff.

I tried, (re other stuff) but my post was deleted. Yep we don't know if he was supplied info. Maybe that is kosher. Maybe it is a special privilege for LE. Maybe it happens all the time and inquisitive people like us need to be quiet and not rock the boat! Maybe we need a well-informed attorney poster to answer our obnoxious questions? JMO

 

[reedus23]

IMO, Darren isn't being handed investigative files. He may be aware of some of the evidence coming back, etc. also, investigators could have come back to him to inquire abt little things, things witnesses stated, etc.

I don't believe an FPD officer involved in a shooting would have free reign with StL County's files.

THANK YOU KLOOD-N. This is what I was wondering. I think initially, I was wondering if that duty to disclose began at the GJ phase even, in which case disclosure to OW would be mandated by law. Somehow, we got off from there to wherever we ended up.

 

[katydid23]

I'm following you and don't disagree but not really the point or question I was asking.

I thought you were asking if I thought it was OK if the investigators shared their info with OW. And I was saying that they would not do anything out of the ordinary if they did at some point, share some of what they knew. It happens all the time, for various reasons. Sometimes to scare the person, other times to get their help.

If the FPD saw that his story was bunk, and the evidence did not support him, they would have thrown him under the bus already. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Not the GJ investigation.

The County PD investigation.

Okay, gotcha. That is possible.

 

[reedus23]

yes. But most of the forensics are back and the investigators already have a good idea of his credibility. Let's say, hypothetically. that MB's prints are on the gun, and his palm prints are on the car door, and the officers facial injuries were proven, and there were a few people in cars who saw the start, and saw MB run to car and assault him, w/no warning. If the investigators ahd all of this information, would it be wrong to tell OW's attorney as OW was trying to decide if he should testify or not?

To open their investigative file and make disclosures like are required during a trial...yes, I'd have a problem with that. If nothing else, it gives the impression of impropriety and lack of objectivity on the part of the investigators. If it's the simple sharing of some bare bones as is done in the typical case (i.e. "You know, we found your fingerprints on the knife. Are you sure you want to deny you handled the knife.") then no, not a problem with it.

 

[Lovejac]

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[reedus23]

I'm not one to ever beat around a bush both DJ & MB IMHO were gang bangers Are You Kidding Me?! Most kids in north county/city are . . . TRUTH !!

And yeah, she can have her day at the GJ & then be debunked by facts -- facts are prevalent

Reasonable. I'm just not to the point of knowing what the facts are until they're provided to us. That day will come though and she may well be debunked.

 

[katydid23]

I tried, (re other stuff) but my post was deleted. Yep we don't know if he was supplied info. Maybe that is kosher. Maybe it is a special privilege for LE. Maybe it happens all the time and inquisitive people like us need to be quiet and not rock the boat! Maybe we need a well-informed attorney poster to answer our obnoxious questions? JMO

Let's say you had a horrible incident happen at your job, when you were present. Maybe someone was badly injured, or money was stolen? And so your boss said to you--" you are on paid leave while we investigate."

So you come in and make a 4 hour statement, and are aggressively questioned. Maybe polygraphed, and you go home and wait. And you hire an attorney. And other witnesses are called in.

During the weeks that pass, do you think you would get any idea about how it was looking for you? Or do you think you would be totally in the dark?

Would your attorney try and find out how your poly went, and what the other witnesses said? I would hope so.

 

[Oceans]

Yeah, I would have thought it would have been all day or over multiple days. Depositions in run of the mill rear end accidents take as long as 4 hours.

I thought it would be less than four hours. The whole incident lasted only a few minutes. JMO.