MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #21

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  • #901
Went to add the timeline to the media thread and found it was already copied there. Thank you, LambChop.

I think seeing it all laid out really makes it clearer how quickly things escalated and how out of control the scene was on Canfield as LE, the medical examiner, investigators, and livery transport all tried to do their jobs.
 
  • #902
Not sure I follow. Sounds to me like they are seeking info that hasn't been released, meaning a lawsuit has to be filed, meaning attorneys have to be paid etc. Am I wrong?
 
  • #903
I would guess, if Ferguson wanted the media, they'd disregard the DOJ's suggestion. Chief Jackson did when it came to releasing the video. My guess is that putting it on the DOJ's shoulders is to take some of the heat off of Ferguson and let DOJ be the bad guy.

Unlike "suggest", "bar" is a strongly loaded word that I don't think Ferguson honchos would have used unless that's exactly what the DOJ did re the media. I hope the meeting doesn't turn out to be a one-sided sensitivity training seminar, which the DOJ doesn't want recorded.
 
  • #904
Un-friggin-believable! Buncha screaming "protesters" surround the guy's car and won't let him move. That's very threatening, and unlawful in probably several different ways. Then they claim that he hit them?

Any law-abiding person, of any color, should just stay far away from Ferguson. It's not safe for civilized people.

Catching up after a couple of days. If anyone has seen videos of mobs like this jumping on top of cars, smashing the windshield and rear window, sometimes pulling the driver out etc.... it is truly scary stuff and it happens FAST while the car sits helplessly.

I was also surprised to see how the police are coddling these folks, especially when that group was screaming and not letting them arrest the white bald guy with the backpack. It made me want to scream "whip out your batons and start cracking skulls!" as I watched the police continue to oh-so-gently tussle with them.
 
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  • #906
Wow - the protest between Busch Stadium & Ballpark Village on Clark did not go well. There were maybe 20 people & no one was listening to them. It was kind of sad :(

I also was amazed outside Edward Jones Dome there was not much MB protester presence either and the Lambs blew at 21 point lead :tantrum:

On the other hand 3 couples coming out of a lovely restaurant in my 'hood were robbed by 2 black men (one with a gun) who said, "This is for Michael Brown" -- note this is >15 miles away from Ferguson
 
  • #907
Snipped the portions that stood out to me. First, thanks for openly stating this is your perspective as one of the protestors. I strongly disagree with most portions of this perspective. I completely disagree that the riots were LE's fault. If you look at the timeline and videos at the scene, the crowd grew unruly, throwing projectiles, flashing guns and firing gunshots, advancing, and threatening LE and other personnel on the ground less than two hours after Michael was shot. Investigators had to stop their work to take cover at times, and detectives had to be pulled into crowd control. SWAT and canines had to be brought, in addition to officers from 15 departments so the investigation could be expedited and Michael's body removed. Black Panthers, Shahid, and Nasheed were there quickly. Shortly after Michael's blood was washed from the street, Baruti was already discussing demands, a sustained movement, bringing in the DOJ. Keep in mind, they had no facts yet. There's a ton of good information and analysis in these threads. Later that same night, the crowd swarmed around police cars, Black power fists raised, screaming they're the KKK. LE responded to the crowd's escalating behavior.

And why did kids have to miss their first days of school, and food be provided, and parents probably miss work and earnings they needed? Because the rioters were out of control and the neighborhood wasn't safe. Businesses were burned, looted, shots fired at police, helicopters, vehicles, Molotov cocktails thrown at people, as well as urine, rocks, concrete blocks, bricks, glass bottles, etc. Not sure where the idea came from that people are "stuck on the riots". Dr King advocated nonviolence and disagreed with the Farakhan/NOI/Back Panther methods. The riots matter, and continued threats to burn down city hall, and the city overall, block highways when it'd put people in danger, surround and beat on people's cars, intimidate people until their demands are met matter too. We've followed many aspects of this case, some even dedicated enough to watch feeds and tweets all night so we don't get just what the media decides is relevant. Ironically, a protestor threatened just a few days ago if things don't go their way, you'd better bring in all the armies.

It's pretty clear to me people flipped out due false and incomplete information, like Dorian stating they just happened upon each other and were walking along the street talking, then Michael ends up shot in the back, falling into fetal position, none of which is true. Shahid was with Dorian, Tiffany, Piaget, and Michael's family; his associates Gray & Bosley become the family's and Dorian's attorneys. Shahid is a racist nationalist separatist agitator, and it's pretty clear he and others decided to use Michael to their advantage. French has already been arrested and seems to be both agitating and exploiting this.

Whether Shahid or McCaskill, acting as if any skin color is preferable over another, for anything, including jobs, is sick and dangerous, IMO. That whole "people that look like us" idea is separatism and segregation and flies in the face of the true civil rights movement, and MLK's judged by the content of their character. And ironically, the protestors have been consistent in screaming in the faces of and taunting black officers more than others. One man told Johnson he wished he was a firefighter so he could be his friend. So, the real issue doesn't appear to be the skin color of others, but a prejudice against LE and authority.

Dream Defenders is connected to the Parks/Crump law firm. Tef Poe, the rapper and protest leader sat next to McCaskill. IMO, Gwen Ifill has a habit of not hiding her biases. What you see as a slanted view because we're not right there with you, may actually be a case of the blind men and the elephant. We may actually have a wider perspective, as we've used many sources, videos, and the voices of lead agitators, attorneys, and protestors for analysis. I'd encourage you to read the threads and links. It looks like a lot of what's been circulated among protestors is false.

Moo

PS Protestors are now saying they are "hunting" Officer Wilson and chanted just last night at the ball game they want Darren Wilson dead. That's not peaceful, that's not about "change".

Great post. I think back to the beginning when I was blindly listening and believing all the spin about this case that was out there. Posts like these upset me.

I'm thankful for all the posters on this thread who didn't share my views, for not thinking, 'if she doesn't understand it, oh well.' I'm thankful for all of the links that were provided to me to research on my own instead of just telling me what to believe, I'm thankful for all the live feeds, so I could see the good and the bad with my own eyes.
 
  • #908
PS Protestors are now saying they are "hunting" Officer Wilson and chanted just last night at the ball game they want Darren Wilson dead. That's not peaceful, that's not about "change".

<modsnip> Do you honestly believe these people represent the residents of Ferguson? The real protesters, the people that truly want change in our community were at the townhall at UMSL yesterday, meeting with elected officials and concerned residents. <mod snip>
 
  • #909
Elect Michael Brown Jr. For County Executive #Ferguson @OpFerguson #WriteInMikeBrown pic.twitter.com/dYeJkALoIF
https://twitter.com/Jdstl314/status/514033390430199808

Please, someone, anyone , tell me what purpose it will serve to write the name of a deceased person for election?

Is there not a living, breathing AA that would be better suited to represent them?

Are the people helping them register to vote explaining how voting and elections work? Or are they just signing them up?
 
  • #910
Unlike "suggest", "bar" is a strongly loaded word that I don't think Ferguson honchos would have used unless that's exactly what the DOJ did re the media. I hope the meeting doesn't turn out to be a one-sided sensitivity training seminar, which the DOJ doesn't want recorded.

I hope that if it is felt that sensitivity training is needed, that is exactly what they do. It seems to me some get more worked up about things here than even the council members do. For weeks I've heard so many people barking about "demands" and likening them to "terroristic threats" and calling it "extortion". Seems to me the council members there at least are being level headed and recognize them for what they are, requests of their government that the people feel can improve their community. Some may be good ideas. Some may be bad. The point is to talk about them and try to move forward.

If I remember correctly, I think the topic of this meeting is supposed to be something about clearing up misconceptions about Ferguson and to provide for more transparency as to the city leader's positions. Regardless of the topic, the important factor is that a dialogue is going on.
 
  • #911
Years ago it was 10-0 meant "officer in trouble". "Disturbance in progress" sounds like he had his mike open and had no time to say he was in trouble. jmo

Watching that poor, besieged "KKK" guy yesterday made me wonder how many people still own a CB radio? We have a portable one we keep in the car for long drives when hearing trucker chatter proves useful in avoiding backups. Ferguson folks may need to communicate via CBs about "protest" zones to warn others before they find themselves similarly surrounded/attacked. I guess they'd have to come up with relevant slang like the truckers do, which might be fun. Trucker slang for where I always try to drive is the "granny lane".
 
  • #912
So the residents of Canfield Green apt aren't from Ferguson? :waitasec:
 
  • #913
WOW - I guess the protesters I saw at the Dome & Stadium are not truly "protesters" but instigators :)

If you couldn't guess, it's only maybe 30 people who are the $h*t stirrers & they keep creeping into the scene. And I doubt if they reside in Ferguson & probably get paid to be "race baiters" IMHO . . .

I appreciate everyone's opinion on this situation! And I appreciate the research we do & share! And I do hope Ferguson progresses & prospers but these issues were present PRIOR to the tragedy occurring 9 Aug
 
  • #914
So the residents of Canfield Green apt aren't from Ferguson? :waitasec:

Yes, Canfield Green is considered Ferguson

Oh, I also wanted to put Rev MLKs quote for context: It is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.
 
  • #915
Yes, Canfield Green is considered Ferguson

Oh, I also wanted to put Rev MLKs quote for context: It is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.

Thanks, that's what I thought.
 
  • #916
Very solid. And I'm torn. Would love to have you continue to post here as you certainly seem to have a better grasp of what is going on in Ferguson than anyone else. On the other hand, I think your energies are better spent dealing with people that matter on the ground as opposed to random internet posters like myself. I hope you do pop in from time to time to provide updates.

Yes, I agree. It seems she is busy doing some wonderful things for Ferguson!
 
  • #917
Check out the comment from SHG here:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...6bc-5703-98b1-8ee666b9cadd.html?mode=comments

and then go to her FB page to get more details. She was one of the people who got arrested at the game. She said the crowd chanted, "lock them up" and laughed at them:)

Busch Stadium has strict rules about what messages you can have on banners/signs; same at Ballpark Village & Edward Jones Dome IMHO some people don't think established rules apply to them or their cause

all one must do is read the fine print on your ticket
 
  • #918
<modsnip> Do you honestly believe these people represent the residents of Ferguson? The real protesters, the people that truly want change in our community were at the townhall at UMSL yesterday, meeting with elected officials and concerned residents. These <modsnip> don't represent 99% of us <mod snip>

While I can't speak for everyone here and will say the basic feel I get....everyone here is well aware of those aggressive sometime violent protestors do not represent ferguson as a whole.
But the good ferguson residents now have the responsibility to denounce their tactics. Show them a better way, lead by example. IMO


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  • #919
Please, someone, anyone , tell me what purpose it will serve to write the name of a deceased person for election?

Is there not a living, breathing AA that would be better suited to represent them?

The living, breathing AA Exec Officer recently lost in the primary to Steve Stenger, white Democrat St Louis City Councilman. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch endorsed Stenger, and here's why:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinio...cle_1f5750bd-f4c1-5296-b822-ca1778117508.html
 
  • #920
It is unfortunate that the "peaceful" protesting residents of Ferguson have allowed themselves to be co-opted by race hustlers. I know from speaking to people that live in and around St. Louis that they over the shenanigans.
 
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