MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #21

[DebinGA]

The one visual approach they had at the football game was cops on segways. I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh anytime I see someone on those things, cops or not. It is just difficult to be intimidating when you're on a segway.

In some situations it's better not to be intimidating, but obviously present. Love the bike cops tonight. Whenever a couple of the protesters approached one to loudly chant in his face, the cop calmly pedaled away then doubled back across the street, all the time seeing, hearing, and I hope recording everything.

 

[Lovejac]

The one visual approach they had at the football game was cops on segways. I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh anytime I see someone on those things, cops or not. It is just difficult to be intimidating when you're on a segway.

I want to give them a helmet and elbow pads

 

[katydid23]

Rather ironic ...think of all the overtime law enforcement is making !!!!! Now they can catch up on bills, take a nice long vacation....$$&$$$!!!!

Stay safe police and spend wisely




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Sounds great---but there was an article linked a couple of days ago. Apparently the cops will get very little OT pay> The city doesnt have enough $ in their budget and they need to get it from the feds, who apparently are balking at that.

Which really sucks, because these cops are under tremendous stress and are working lots of overtime hours under the worst conditions. If anyone should be complaining and suing the city it should be them, not the whining protestors.

 

[LambChop]

You all need to stop with the comments about the seminar and whether or not the material was racist. It has nothing to do with MB. The seminar is for police officers of all shapes, sizes, religions, etc. It could mean what it means and nothing more. Stop inserting racism into this thread. It has no place here.

 

[Klood-N]

It's not the cops who were trying to be intimidating.

 

[Truthy]

My take, the Shahid's of the world are talking about protesting games in October. The Monday night game and play off games for the Cards. Those will carry more media attention. A few wannabe's tried to jump off of that and kick start this weekend and they failed miserably. I will not be surprised one bit to see the professional protesters putting together a true protest in October and they're probably watching these wannabe's to see what the LE response was and how they were handling it.

Yes- I was surprised so many spent their whole day watching this for that reason, LOL!

 

[reedus23]

I'm local, and while I wasn't at Busch Stadium this evening, I did go to UMSL and participate in the PBS Townhall that was held there this afternoon- "America after Ferguson". It was awesome. Gwen Ifill was the moderator, and there were lots of people on hand- including Sen. Claire McCaskill. Great conversation among locals, and I was thrilled to see people of all ages and races in attendance. PBS will air it this Friday night, if anyone is interested. Check your local listings.

Thanks and that's awesome.

 

[reedus23]

Sounds great---but there was an article linked a couple of days ago. Apparently the cops will get very little OT pay> The city doesnt have enough $ in their budget and they need to get it from the feds, who apparently are balking at that.

Which really sucks, because these cops are under tremendous stress and are working lots of overtime hours under the worst conditions. If anyone should be complaining and suing the city it should be them, not the whining protestors.

They will get it. That's just entities trying to pass the buck back and forth between them. At the end of the day, they will be paid.

 

[katydid23]

I didnt really spend my whole day watching it. I watched Football with my son and husband, which is a normal Sunday here. I kept my laptop on and watched the EPIC FAIL on the side, like a side dish.

I was very interested in what they were going to do because I was very curious about their threats. Could they pull them off? Obviously not. I highly doubt they will be much more successful in October either. I think they learned something from the venture. Why go somewhere where you are hugely outnumbered and has massive security resources?

Even when they did finally stand up in the stands, with their hands up, it was pretty anti-climactic. Fans do that all day long. No biggie. And those sigs, or banners...:giggle: They left them up for about 2 seconds...big whoop.

 

[Truthy]

I'm local, and while I wasn't at Busch Stadium this evening, I did go to UMSL and participate in the PBS Townhall that was held there this afternoon- "America after Ferguson". It was awesome. Gwen Ifill was the moderator, and there were lots of people on hand- including Sen. Claire McCaskill. Great conversation among locals, and I was thrilled to see people of all ages and races in attendance. PBS will air it this Friday night, if anyone is interested. Check your local listings.

Wow, Gwen Ifill is awesome. Can you share any highlights with us? TIA.

 

[Truthy]

You all need to stop with the comments about the seminar and whether or not the material was racist. It has nothing to do with MB. The seminar is for police officers of all shapes, sizes, religions, etc. It could mean what it means and nothing more. Stop inserting racism into this thread. It has no place here.

Sorry Lamby- I thought it was okay since 2-3 other posters had addressed it. Will shut up now.

 

[K_Z]

I'm local, and while I wasn't at Busch Stadium this evening, I did go to UMSL and participate in the PBS Townhall that was held there this afternoon- "America after Ferguson". It was awesome. Gwen Ifill was the moderator, and there were lots of people on hand- including Sen. Claire McCaskill. Great conversation among locals, and I was thrilled to see people of all ages and races in attendance. PBS will air it this Friday night, if anyone is interested. Check your local listings.

Can you leak any highlights?

 

[LambChop]

You know if we take race out of the picture the whole thread flows along just nicely. We get information, we can be more objective. It is something we really need to think about. Keep it out and we may see some things we failed to see before.

Some people you just cannot change in terms of attitudes. But not everything that is written down, which could be taken two ways, is not meant to be offensive. Name calling is never appropriate. So leaving all that out we have some pretty productive discussions here. You want to mention something you have seen in passing, fine, but then let it go and get back on topic. This thread is still up because we all agreed this was not a racial issue.

Let's keep that end of our bargain.

 

[CMac2]

Sooo many highlights. Like I said, Claire Mccaskill was there, and she spoke about the need for African Americans to be more present in local politics. That we need more people in the system that look like us (well, not like "us", because I'm bi-racial, but you get what I'm saying). They also had attorney Connie Rice present (of L.A. riots fame), and the police chief from Cincinnati, who got them through their own riots recently. The mayor of Ferguson spoke, as did Alderman Antonio French. There were some young black men who talked about their experiences in Ferguson and surrounding areas, as well as the founder of Dream Defenders (started in the wake of Trayvon's death). What struck me the most is that this is the first time I've seen locals from our community- black, white, rich, poor, young and old- come together and really listen to each other. Everyone had important and valid points, and we all listened to each other. Living in St. Louis, the racial divide is massive. It always has been. To get so many people from so many different walks of life, with so many varying opinions together in one room, where people honestly listened to each other felt monumental. It was a huge deal.

 

[K_Z]

12:02 PM Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson reports "disturbance in progress" in Canfield Green housing complex.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...teen-Michael-Brown-21&p=10989739#post10989739

Quoting this a bit oddly, to save some space.

Thank you so much, Klood-N, for assembling this excellent timeline!

12:02 jumped out at me. OW did call for back-up, then.

I will be VERY interested to find out at what point OW called in the "disturbance in progress"-- whether it was before the "scuffle"/ assault at his patrol vehicle, or after.

I think that is a huge piece of evidence, and I'm sure there are more, from the radio calls. As I recall, other officers were on the scene almost immediately. (And as per the timeline above.)

Personally, I can't imagine that he called this in based on 2 young men who defied his request to move out of the middle of the street. I'd think he would risk being a laughingstock among his LE peers if he had a habit of calling for back up for very minor things, such as 2 defiant young men refusing his request to move to the sidewalk. So, my strong sense is that he called in the "disturbance in progress" at the point in which the defiant young men scenario, was converted into the physical conflict/ assault of a police officer/ struggle for the officer's gun, inside his patrol vehicle.

I really do hope he left his mic hot and open/ recording. That would be critical evidence, IMO.

 

[LambChop]

Sooo many highlights. Like I said, Claire Mccaskill was there, and she spoke about the need for African Americans to be more present in local politics. That we need more people in the system that look like us (well, not like "us", because I'm bi-racial, but you get what I'm saying). They also had attorney Connie Rice present (of L.A. riots fame), and the police chief from Cincinnati, who got them through their own riots recently. The mayor of Ferguson spoke, as did Alderman Antonio French. There were some young black men who talked about their experiences in Ferguson and surrounding areas, as well as the founder of Dream Defenders (started in the wake of Trayvon's death). What struck me the most is that this is the first time I've seen locals from our community- black, white, rich, poor, young and old- come together and really listen to each other. Everyone had important and valid points, and we all listened to each other. Living in St. Louis, the racial divide is massive. It always has been. To get so many people from so many different walks of life, with so many varying opinions together in one room, where people honestly listened to each other felt monumental. It was a huge deal.

Thank you CMac2. Yes, it really is a huge deal. What is so great about it is when you listen to what others have to say in a calm, civil manner you actually listen to them instead of shutting down. You see things in people you would not have noticed except now you can see the personal side of them. It really does work. Thank you for sharing that information with us.

 

[K_Z]

Sooo many highlights. Like I said, Claire Mccaskill was there, and she spoke about the need for African Americans to be more present in local politics. That we need more people in the system that look like us (well, not like "us", because I'm bi-racial, but you get what I'm saying). They also had attorney Connie Rice present (of L.A. riots fame), and the police chief from Cincinnati, who got them through their own riots recently. The mayor of Ferguson spoke, as did Alderman Antonio French. There were some young black men who talked about their experiences in Ferguson and surrounding areas, as well as the founder of Dream Defenders (started in the wake of Trayvon's death). What struck me the most is that this is the first time I've seen locals from our community- black, white, rich, poor, young and old- come together and really listen to each other. Everyone had important and valid points, and we all listened to each other. Living in St. Louis, the racial divide is massive. It always has been. To get so many people from so many different walks of life, with so many varying opinions together in one room, where people honestly listened to each other felt monumental. It was a huge deal.

Wow! Thank you for taking time out of your life to go to this town hall meeting, and thank you for bringing your experience to all of us here!

 

[CMac2]

I will post more as I come across more. I have been to the scene of MB's death, and have joined the protesters on more than one occasion. I've stayed out of here because I do believe this is a racial situation, and I understand that's not openly discussed here. As a local, racial tensions have been brewing in the St. Louis metro area for decades. This incident caused the explosion, but it's always been part of the day-to-day dynamic here. I won't discuss my personal views on the matter, but will do my best to provide a factual boots-on-the-ground account of what is happening.

 

[Truthy]

I will post more as I come across more. I have been to the scene of MB's death, and have joined the protesters on more than one occasion. I've stayed out of here because I do believe this is a racial situation, and I understand that's not openly discussed here. As a local, racial tensions have been brewing in the St. Louis metro area for decades. This incident caused the explosion, but it's always been part of the day-to-day dynamic here. I won't discuss my personal views on the matter, but will do my best to provide a factual boots-on-the-ground account of what is happening.

Interesting! That would be very much appreciated!

 

[K_Z]

Thank you CMac2. Yes, it really is a huge deal. What is so great about it is when you listen to what others have to say in a calm, civil manner you actually listen to them instead of shutting down. You see things in people you would not have noticed except now you can see the personal side of them. It really does work. Thank you for sharing that information with us.

You're right, Lambchop-- dialogue between respectful participants is always the beginning to real change. What is so frustrating is that the efforts at productive dialogue are typically hijacked by prominent race instigators (often proactively) in a way that makes it almost impossible to get BACK to respectful dialogue, as a community.

I keep wondering where the real, respected, reasonable clergy and other leaders are in this mess? Not national figures like JJ and AS, but local, boots on the ground, clergy and other leaders that the protestors might actually listen to? They have been entirely silent through this whole ordeal. What has risen to the top of the public's consciousness is the prominent hate mongers, such as the 2 women MO state assembly members, who use the shield of their office as a bully pulpit of hate, falsely validated and cloaked in the appearance of professionalism from their elected position. That is incredibly vile and offensive, IMO-- much moreso than JJ and AS instigating rebellion and hate.

I'm glad the NPR town hall meeting was a productive conversation. My concern is that REAL dialogue isn't "sexy" enough for the media to focus on it. "If it bleeds, it leads", and all that. How do we persuade medial that THIS kind of dialogue is WORTH covering, more than the rioters? Sadly, most people just aren't that smart, IMO, to be interested in REAL dialogue. They are much more content running on the faux outrage and manufactured emotion served up by heavily biased media, and the likes of prominent instigators. IMO.