MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #22

[Klood-N]

So, CMac2, do you think Michael's drug use, strong arm robbery, and probable juvenile record have any bearing on this case?

 

[Lovejac]

So at least now it's clear what the protestor's mindset is.

 

[Lovejac]

http://argusnewsnow.com/

This dude in the red hat is cracking me up :giggle:

 

[CMac2]

IIRC, the Ferguson wide receiver tells a story of when he was driving home from practice, and was following his Dad and Officer Darren Wilson pulled him over. ! The officer claimed the kid was speeding and ran the red light. Naturally, his Dad gets out of the other car to defend his kid. Allegedly, Darren Wilson was aggressive to both and put the Dad in the back of the Police Car.

I don't see anything at all unusual or unethical in that behavior by OW. Why wouldn't he do so. I think that is protocol. And what they claim is aggressive is likely just the way one officer has to behave, when facing an angry father, coming out of another vehicle.

Most likely, since the kid was following the dad, he ran thr light trying to keep up. I have done that very thing myself, and was ticketed for it.

That's not really how the story went. First of all, the kid and his father both claim he didn't run the stop sign (it wasn't a light). Not that I expect anyone to believe either of them, but that's what they claim. Second of all, according to the father and son, the Officer became absolutely apoplectic about the fact that the father wanted to witness the interaction the officer was having with his son. The father offered to stay in his car, and therefore out of the way. The officer refused to allow it, handcuffed the father, and threw him into the back of the police car. He was never charged with a crime, and according to his statement, in no way threatened or confronted the officer. Again, I know better than to imagine 99% of the people in this forum will believe any of that, but the point was to let TheDuchess know that yes, stories about OW do exist, contrary to what she previously believed.

 

[popsicle]

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davidhunn ‏@davidhunn 35m
Geez. I'm stopping people coming out of this DOJ town hall in #Ferguson. White and black folks have totally different perspectives here.
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[DebinGA]

The New York Times dispatched 6 reporters to find dirt on OW and came up empty:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...-offers-few-clues-into-ferguson-shooting.html

 

[SStarr33]

IIRC, the Ferguson wide receiver tells a story of when he was driving home from practice, and was following his Dad and Officer Darren Wilson pulled him over. ! The officer claimed the kid was speeding and ran the red light. Naturally, his Dad gets out of the other car to defend his kid. Allegedly, Darren Wilson was aggressive to both and put the Dad in the back of the Police Car.

I don't see anything at all unusual or unethical in that behavior by OW. Why wouldn't he do so. I think that is protocol. And what they claim is aggressive is likely just the way one officer has to behave, when facing an angry father, coming out of another vehicle.

Most likely, since the kid was following the dad, he ran thr light trying to keep up. I have done that very thing myself, and was ticketed for it.

The father tried to defend the kid is all you need to know about this story. The kid broke the law, he gets a ticket. There is no defense. Period.

 

[Lovejac]

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davidhunn ‏@davidhunn 35m
Geez. I'm stopping people coming out of this DOJ town hall in #Ferguson. White and black folks have totally different perspectives here.
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Does he care to share?

 

[katydid23]

Again, TheDuchess said she had never heard one story about OW. I was speaking to the fact that there are stories about OW out there. It's not like he lived in a void, and was completly unknown to mankind prior to this happening.

But there are stories about every cop out there. Because they have to be hard-asssses and strict and no nonsense to try and keep order during chaos.
Just like there are 'stories' about every teacher. Some times things do not go smoothly. Sometimes they do. But there has been nothing that says he was likely to ride up on 2 boys and shoot them for walking in the street.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, that's the episode. The person who was pulled over was the student, who was in his own car, following his parents one evening. The student was pulled over for not stopping at a stop sign, his father circled back around to him, not wanting to leave his son alone with the police officer, and the incident went from there.

So the kid was pulled over for a moving violation...and?


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[TexanMom]

The Washington Post sent 9 reporters to find negative "stories" about OW, but they found none-0-nada:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...c796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

If there really were anything negative, it would have come out already.

 

[Klood-N]

That it's "winning" if citizens feel intimidated. So twisted.

 

[CMac2]

So, CMac2, do you think Michael's drug use, strong arm robbery, and probable juvenile record have any bearing on this case?

No, I honestly do not. None of those issues were a factor in his jaywalking. I am only concerned with his interaction with OW at the point in which he was told to get off the street, and the shooting began. You yourself posted a link this evening stating that MB had never been in trouble with the law. Therefore, as far as I am concerned personally, this story begins at the moment this incident started. I realize many in Ferguson feel otherwise, and I'm sympathetic to that, but MY concern regarding the shooting is what happened on August 9th.

 

[LambChop]

Okay, so the same has happened to us. Only I would never argue with the police officer, nor would I have gotten out of my car. I would have waited for the officer to finish and when my son moved out I would have, too. This is what happens to everyone. I have been stopped three times, in four years where I am now living...road block wanting to see my ID, checking out my marker because State Police Officer did not "recognize" my address and another road block where I was questioned. Not unusual. Just answer their questions, say thank you when they tell you that you can leave and move on. If you get a ticket go to court and fight it. It happens all the time to all sorts of people. My neighbor in Connecticut got stopped for weaving on the road to his house in the early spring. When asked why the neighbor said look at the pot holes, would you want to drive over them? LOL So, yes, people get stopped that is not harassment, no way.

And this is me, such an angel, don't you know. jmo

 

[katydid23]

That's not really how the story went. First of all, the kid and his father both claim he didn't run the stop sign (it wasn't a light). Not that I expect anyone to believe either of them, but that's what they claim. Second of all, according to the father and son, the Officer became absolutely apoplectic about the fact that the father wanted to witness the interaction the officer was having with his son. The father offered to stay in his car, and therefore out of the way. The officer refused to allow it, handcuffed the father, and threw him into the back of the police car. He was never charged with a crime, and according to his statement, in no way threatened or confronted the officer. Again, I know better than to imagine 99% of the people in this forum will believe any of that, but the point was to let TheDuchess know that yes, stories about OW do exist, contrary to what she previously believed.

It is easy to understand the officers POV --for me anyway. The dad 'offered' to stay in the car. How was that 'offer' given? Was it curse words and vitriol? Because if he believed the kid didn't run the light, then I doubt he kindly and calmly made that offer. And it would not feel safe to me to have an outraged father watching from his car, if he might have a weapon and be very angry.

And after watching how many of the protestors act, is is any wonder how a white cop might act aggressive in the streets, in order to stay in control?

 

[CMac2]

But there are stories about every cop out there. Because they have to be hard-asssses and strict and no nonsense to try and keep order during chaos.
Just like there are 'stories' about every teacher. Some times things do not go smoothly. Sometimes they do. But there has been nothing that says he was likely to ride up on 2 boys and shoot them for walking in the street.

Again- I shared the story because TheDuchess said she had not heard one story about Officer Wilson! That's it. That's all I was doing. There are stories about MB, there are stories about OW. That was my point.

 

[SStarr33]

No, I honestly do not. None of those issues were a factor in his jaywalking. I am only concerned with his interaction with OW at the point in which he was told to get off the street, and the shooting began. You yourself posted a link this evening stating that MB had never been in trouble with the law. Therefore, as far as I am concerned personally, this story begins at the moment this incident started. I realize many in Ferguson feel otherwise, and I'm sympathetic to that, but MY concern regarding the shooting is what happened on August 9th.

He was not jaywalking.

 

[Lovejac]

That it's "winning" if citizens feel intimidated. So twisted.

Makes powerless people feel powerful :dunno:

 

[Klood-N]

No, I honestly do not. None of those issues were a factor in his jaywalking. I am only concerned with his interaction with OW at the point in which he was told to get off the street, and the shooting began. You yourself posted a link this evening stating that MB had never been in trouble with the law. Therefore, as far as I am concerned personally, this story begins at the moment this incident started. I realize many in Ferguson feel otherwise, and I'm sympathetic to that, but MY concern regarding the shooting is what happened on August 9th.

Ok, so a rumor about Wilson from a week earlier is relevant, but that Michael had THC in his system at the time of the shooting and that just minutes prior to assaulting the officer, he assaulted a store clerk are not. They go to his mindset. And, actually the link was what mom said. No tension with Ferguson police. I'll repost the records links from earlier threads. And he was blocking traffic, not jaywalking. Covered in previous threads.

 

[Lovejac]

My parents taught me to stay in the car, have my hands on the steering wheel when the officer approached and be prepared to hand them my license, proof of ins and registration.

It would never occur to me to get out of my car unless requested by an officer.