MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #22

[krimekat]

krimekat, I think you missed the point.

I don't believe I missed the point -- it's an opinion that I do not subscribe to. Until "countless others" or MB supporters or whatever one calls those who make this tragedy a "race thing" stop making things about race, we will always be a divided society.

I believe I fully realize the dynamics at play with this incident as I have lived in this area on & off for many yrs (went to Grad School here); it's been made into yet another "racist" thing (and political). However, to me it's more about RESPECT for oneself & authority (or lack there of). I will never change my mind.

Want to talk racism -- try being a Native American as we have discussed ad nauseam, it's an individual choice how to perceive things even if raised in a family/community that ingrained cr@p into you. Life is 10% what happens to you & 90% how you react to it.

I respect LEOs, fightighters, EMTs & anyone who is paid diddly-squat to help keep up safe & protected. I support ODWs right to Due Process which is ensured by the Constitution. But I respect everyone's opinion some opinions I just cannot understand, but I sure do respect them.

 

[LambChop]

That's not really how the story went. First of all, the kid and his father both claim he didn't run the stop sign (it wasn't a light). Not that I expect anyone to believe either of them, but that's what they claim. Second of all, according to the father and son, the Officer became absolutely apoplectic about the fact that the father wanted to witness the interaction the officer was having with his son. The father offered to stay in his car, and therefore out of the way. The officer refused to allow it, handcuffed the father, and threw him into the back of the police car. He was never charged with a crime, and according to his statement, in no way threatened or confronted the officer. Again, I know better than to imagine 99% of the people in this forum will believe any of that, but the point was to let TheDuchess know that yes, stories about OW do exist, contrary to what she previously believed.

Okay, I see what you are saying. The father probably felt he needed to be there for his son. I can understand that, but from an officer's point of view you never get out of your car to confront them. It is a big no, no. Just do not do it. What the father had the right to do was ask the officer to call his supervisor. I would recommend that to anyone who feels the officer is wrong but never get out of your car. Ever unless directed to do so. The father may have been put in the car so the officer knew exactly where he was. This is why the community needs to interact with the police so they understand what the rules are, what their rights are and how to react when they are stopped by LE. It is very important.

And thank you for sharing that with us because it does give us better understanding of what may be considered harassment by the community. I never thought of it as harassment because I thought I was being stopped for a reason. I was either wrong, or I wasn't. That simple.

 

[Lovejac]

Watching twitter for any links to the recordings that happened inside the town hall meeting. I need to go make lunches, if anyone sees a link will you please post it.

Please and thank you!

 

[krimekat]

Cards are beating the Cubs 4 to 0, so I got bored :laugh:

 

[Klood-N]

Gray argued that even if Brown did have a minor juvenile record for something like truancy, it has nothing to do with whether Officer Darren Wilson acted with excessive force.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...-of-michael-browns-juvenile-records/15021319/

CUOMO: First, what that Michael Brown past as a juvenile? There's speculation that, oh, it's inaccurate to say that there's nothing there. It's only as an adult there's nothing there. Is there any truth to that, that he had altercations or any kind of record as a juvenile?

PARKS: Let me say -- I'll say this, Chris. He was a typical kid. He may have had some situations that may have occurred as a juvenile, but, you know, we need not to be at a point where we start to blame the victim for what he did.
I think this officer's background is the one in question, because his actions are the ones that took Michael Brown's life.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/20/nday.03.html

She acknowledged that Siwak could open files further but implored her not to, saying the integrity of the family court was on the line.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_43c9bbbb-356f-5ea6-b9e2-7dde7e3e5c83.html

Harcourt said that "simple curiosity" doesn't trump the state's legal interest in protecting minors accused of crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/lawsuits-seek-michael-brown-juvenile-records-25224927

That is meaningless to John Burns, the attorney for GotNews.com.

"That doesn't mean there weren't charges filed, there was nothing said in open court," he said. "There could be a wealth of information inside of these files."
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...-of-michael-browns-juvenile-records/15021319/

Why mention minors accused of crimes and implore the judge not to open the files, if Michael had no file?

 

[JLSChook]

It seems to me that the "protesters" have ZERO interest in learning about the real and true facts of this case. THAT is the problem. With.this.case.

Unbelievable.

 

[TexanMom]

It seems to me that the "protesters" have ZERO interest in learning about the real and true facts of this case. THAT is the problem. With.this.case.

Unbelievable.

I agree. I wish they would stop that ridiculous "hands up, don't shoot" routine. Such a lie!

 

[Klood-N]

It's also been posted that the video and stills of Michael committing the strong armed robbery and X-rays of Wilson's injuries have been submitted to the grand jury.

 

[SStarr33]

Were weekend protests intensified by Sen. Chapelle-Nadal's tweets?

http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pi...calated-by-a-Senators-comments-276386491.html

 

[CMac2]

Oh my. First of all, I didn't bring up any "rumor" about OW until TheDuchess said she never heard any stories about him. I provided one. Not once did I give my personal opinion as to whether or not I believed said story, and I have said no less than 6 times in the last 30 minutes on this thread that THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP THE STORY WAS BECAUSE THEDUCHESS SAYS SHE'S NEVER HEARD ANY.

I don't care whether OW pulled a kid over for blowing a stop sign a week before he shot MB. I do not care whether Mike Brown smoked a joint before he was shot. I just don't. Clearly others do, and that's absolutely fine. But I've got a bunch of folks in this forum jumping all over every single word I'm saying, and clearly nothing is being accomplished. I'm trying to be fair, and I'm trying to answer the questions that are asked of me. Most of the people asking questions are not asking my personal views, they're asking what "protestors" think. Im trying my best to share their thoughts, but please try to understand that while I support their right to PEACEFULLY demonstrate, and while I am working my butt off to educate and register voters in Ferguson, I do not always share their views or opinions. It is not fair for people to ask me questions about how I think the protestors feel about certain things, and then those same people jump on me for answering. Either my words get twisted (such as the poster who mused whether or not it was possible for there to be an "incident of harrassment", or being accused of caring whether OW pulled a kid over for blowing a stop sign a week before the incident), or people jump in long enough to say they're leaving the forum because of the philosophical talk. I can't win for losing. Clearly, opposing views aren't tolerated here- which is fine- but trying to fairly answer all these questions without allowing my emotions to get involved has been quite the task.

 

[katydid23]

Sigh. There was an "incident". ESPN used the term harrassment. I have no idea why you guys act this way, simply because I have an opposing view.

Sorry. I don't want you to feel piled on by us. :hug:

I guess it is just our frustration and passion too. Many of us have LE relatives, and are protective of them as well. I worry about my son, as he wears a gun and a bulletproof vest everyday.

It is just that stories like that, making an irate dad sit in the patrol car, are so 'normal' for any street cop to do. I am in Los Angeles. When we had the Ramparts division review, they had cops who were killing gang members and framing other gang members for the murder, and stashing crack in innocent peoples pockets. THAT is the kind of stroies I expect when I hear a cop is likely a killer of a kid for no reason.

Not stories about someone cuffs being too tight. That is normal stuff that happens. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's also been posted that the video and stills of Michael committing the strong armed robbery and X-rays of Wilson's injuries have been submitted to the grand jury.

Ya know there are those that STILL insist he paid the store clerk.



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[Linda7NJ]

Were weekend protests intensified by Sen. Chapelle-Nadal's tweets?

http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pi...calated-by-a-Senators-comments-276386491.html

I hope she's under investigation ....I think she is...


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[katydid23]

Oh my. First of all, I didn't bring up any "rumor" about OW until TheDuchess said she never heard any stories about him. I provided one. Not once did I give my personal opinion as to whether or not I believed said story, and I have said no less than 6 times in the last 30 minutes on this thread that THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP THE STORY WAS BECAUSE THEDUCHESS SAYS SHE'S NEVER HEARD ANY.

I don't care whether OW pulled a kid over for blowing a stop sign a week before he shot MB. I do not care whether Mike Brown smoked a joint before he was shot. I just don't. Clearly others do, and that's absolutely fine. But I've got a bunch of folks in this forum jumping all over every single word I'm saying, and clearly nothing is being accomplished. I'm trying to be fair, and I'm trying to answer the questions that are asked of me. Most of the people asking questions are not asking my personal views, they're asking what "protestors" think. Im trying my best to share their thoughts, but please try to understand that while I support their right to PEACEFULLY demonstrate, and while I am working my butt off to educate and register voters in Ferguson, I do not always share their views or opinions. It is not fair for people to ask me questions about how I think the protestors feel about certain things, and then those same people jump on me for answering. Either my words get twisted (such as the poster who mused whether or not it was possible for there to be an "incident of harrassment", or being accused of caring whether OW pulled a kid over for blowing a stop sign a week before the incident), or people jump in long enough to say they're leaving the forum because of the philosophical talk. I can't win for losing. Clearly, opposing views aren't tolerated here- which is fine- but trying to fairly answer all these questions without allowing my emotions to get involved has been quite the task.

I am SO SORRY. I do feel like people are piling on and it is unfair. You have been very truthful and helpful and I appreciate the time you have taken. I am sorry that people are piling on. :grouphug:

 

[krimekat]

No, I honestly do not. None of those issues were a factor in his jaywalking. I am only concerned with his interaction with OW at the point in which he was told to get off the street, and the shooting began. You yourself posted a link this evening stating that MB had never been in trouble with the law. Therefore, as far as I am concerned personally, this story begins at the moment this incident started. I realize many in Ferguson feel otherwise, and I'm sympathetic to that, but MY concern regarding the shooting is what happened on August 9th.

we've already covered the jaywalking misconception -- DJ & MB were more like obstructing traffic by walking down the middle of the street, not jaywalking across the street not at a crosswalk, and I believe the link was that MBs mother said she nor MB ever had an issue with Ferguson PD, not that MB had never been in trouble with the law 'cause that is an untruth, too IMHO

yeah! back to talking about the actual situation occurring on 9 Aug! Thanks for the plethora of info & the 2 time lines that have been provided in this thread

 

[Dana]

No, I honestly do not. None of those issues were a factor in his jaywalking. I am only concerned with his interaction with OW at the point in which he was told to get off the street, and the shooting began. You yourself posted a link this evening stating that MB had never been in trouble with the law. Therefore, as far as I am concerned personally, this story begins at the moment this incident started. I realize many in Ferguson feel otherwise, and I'm sympathetic to that, but MY concern regarding the shooting is what happened on August 9th.

Right here, I'm turned off - he was not JAYWALKING! Jaywalking... crossing the road to the other side. Belligerently walking down the center of a road and for awhile with traffic is not jaywalking.

 

[Klood-N]

Were weekend protests intensified by Sen. Chapelle-Nadal's tweets?

http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pi...calated-by-a-Senators-comments-276386491.html

She's clearly in the thick of these rioters. Glad the local media covered this and that Chief Jackson called her on it.

“When I heard about my intern being run over by a car, I was alarmed. Because there were other calls out, I did a call as well because we should be supporting each other,” said Chappelle-Nadal.
Chief Jackson said that Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal expressed ‘We’re going to shut down the road with or without you.'

Wonder who her "we" is.

 

[SStarr33]

She's clearly in the thick of these rioters. Glad the local media covered this and that Chief Jackson called her on it.

“When I heard about my intern being run over by a car, I was alarmed. Because there were other calls out, I did a call as well because we should be supporting each other,” said Chappelle-Nadal.
Chief Jackson said that Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal expressed ‘We’re going to shut down the road with or without you.'

Wonder who her "we" is.

I guess it was her group that harassed, intimidated and detained that driver.

Interesting they didn't make note of her KKK comment.

 

[Lovejac]

She's clearly in the thick of these rioters. Glad the local media covered this and that Chief Jackson called her on it.

“When I heard about my intern being run over by a car, I was alarmed. Because there were other calls out, I did a call as well because we should be supporting each other,” said Chappelle-Nadal.
Chief Jackson said that Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal expressed ‘We’re going to shut down the road with or without you.'

Wonder who her "we" is.

Well, I could tell you what I think but :silenced:

 

[Klood-N]

Ya know there are those that STILL insist he paid the store clerk.



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Yeah, that's why 911 was called, the store was willing to prosecute, and the store clerk thought it'd be fun to be grabbed and thrown into a rack. :gah: Hey, you reminded me: thank you! I was thinking late last night given that good shove into the rack, the store clerk may well have bruising that was photographed.