MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #25

[katydid23]

Jessica Lussenhop ‏@Lussenpop 11m
#Ferguson public information officer Tim Zoll with physical description of suspect in first officer shooting: "black male with a dredlocks"

well, that ought to narrow it down----NOT.

 

[BJS]

well, that ought to narrow it down----NOT.

Dorian out and on the loose? LOL

 

[Klood-N]

LawEnforcementToday ‏@LawEnforceToday 1m
Ferguson PD Chief Jackson No Longer Leads His Department | Law Enforcement Today http://shar.es/1azYkt

From linked article:

Now the Chief Jackson, in one fell swoop, publicly apologizes to the family of the male shot even before any finding has been made officially. Even more recently, he joins the protestors marching on police headquarters, abdicating any leadership abilities he may have had. Oh yes, he’s still the chief, but in name only. Abdicating his leadership role has stripped him of anything more than that. - See more at: http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...his-department/#sthash.5n0mF1sQ.rBVqM51v.dpuf

I thought those two decisions might bring questions.

 

[bettybaby00]

LawEnforcementToday ‏@LawEnforceToday 1m
Ferguson PD Chief Jackson No Longer Leads His Department | Law Enforcement Today http://shar.es/1azYkt

As much as I feel for the Chief, this opinion doesn't surprise me in the least, and he has a point. Same with a Capt. Johnson. What good did it get him for empathizing with the protestors?

The sad thing about the Chief is that when it's all said and done, he will be fired, b/c if nothing else the DOJ investigation will have to produce a sacrificial lamb.

He's acted admirably on many occasions since 8/9, but trying to make nice with these "protestors" gains him nothing and the result will still be the same.

He will be thrown under the bus. I just hope OW doesn't share the same fate. If the chief looses his job over this, it will be demoralizing, and costly, however his life won't be ruined. The stakes are much higher for OW.

All strictly my opinion.

 

[krimekat]

We're probably going to be hearing about the imaginary dead kid for a while. The haters really do seem to want black people to be killed by police so they can display more outrage and have more excuses to riot.

It was absolutely mindblowing to me last night how quickly and intensely that crowd went into "outrage" mode when they thought the police shot & killed a black suspect. Never mind that the initial (wrong) reports were that the suspect shot the cop then the cop shot the suspect. That part didn't matter at all. They just jumped instantly to "police killed another innocent black kid."

And that shows just how much the facts will matter to them when the GJ evidence is released. No matter what the evidence shows, they're going to riot again. It's going to be ugly. I hope the FPD gets their hands untied before then so that they can deal with it effectively.

BBM above: I assume MO Nat'l Guard will be called in for the GJ decision & that whole entire area will be on lock-down

 

[Klood-N]

Jessica Lussenhop ‏@Lussenpop 11m
#Ferguson public information officer Tim Zoll with physical description of suspect in first officer shooting: "black male with a dredlocks"

Hm. If they were planning on a burglary, seems they'd either need a vehicle nearby or to live nearby for the items they stole. Wonder if they've found a vehicle. I'm wondering if rather than burglarizing, they were going to burn it down.

 

[krimekat]

The second shooting was an off duty officer, not in uniform, just driving his car on I-70. He wasn't hit by gunfire, but wounded by broken glass.

there have been a few shootings on I70 this year . . .

 

[katydid23]

Seeing that horrid vitriol and anger last night, when that loony woman and crazy guy kept screaming at the cops, was sickening. But when that CHEER went out, upon hearing a cop was shot--- ---that was truly revolting. And I have lost every tiny shred of respect and compassion for them.

 

[bettybaby00]

Just saw Chief Bellmer (sp?) giving an interview, he said he doesn't believe there is any connection between cop shot (at the community center) and the protests.


......

It's hard to articulate how much this angers me. Yes it could be "unrelated" in the sense that these 2 perpetrators aren't part of the protests we've watched over the last 6 weeks. But, BUT the mindset and actions are definitely related IMO.

Given the rhetoric and vitriol that has spread through the community, how could these two not believe that any encounter with a cop won't result in them being "gunned down?" Add in the fact that they were doing something illegal, and I'm surprised they didn't approach the cop and just keep firing until he was dead.

 

[CHERIE.T]

From linked article:

Now the Chief Jackson, in one fell swoop, publicly apologizes to the family of the male shot even before any finding has been made officially. Even more recently, he joins the protestors marching on police headquarters, abdicating any leadership abilities he may have had. Oh yes, he’s still the chief, but in name only. Abdicating his leadership role has stripped him of anything more than that. - See more at: http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...his-department/#sthash.5n0mF1sQ.rBVqM51v.dpuf

I thought those two decisions might bring questions.

Who will replace him and do his decision making?

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Wellspring Church Trio Takes Ferguson Concerns To White House[/h]
She says now that Ferguson is known nationally and now that the young people are asking for help, Phillips says someone from the administration needs to go to Ferguson and let them know that they are being heard -- in other words, “acknowledge Ferguson.”

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post...son-concerns-white-house#.VCgzN0SLqa8.twitter

 

[CHERIE.T]

Seeing that horrid vitriol and anger last night, when that loony woman and crazy guy kept screaming at the cops, was sickening. But when that CHEER went out, upon hearing a cop was shot--- ---that was truly revolting. And I have lost every tiny shred of respect and compassion for them.

bbm/cbm
I absolutely agree with everything you said.

 

[katydid23]

As much as I feel for the Chief, this opinion doesn't surprise me in the least, and he has a point. Same with a Capt. Johnson. What good did it get him for empathizing with the protestors?

The sad thing about the Chief is that when it's all said and done, he will be fired, b/c if nothing else the DOJ investigation will have to produce a sacrificial lamb.

He's acted admirably on many occasions since 8/9, but trying to make nice with these "protestors" gains him nothing and the result will still be the same.

He will be thrown under the bus. I just hope OW doesn't share the same fate. If the chief looses his job over this, it will be demoralizing, and costly, however his life won't be ruined. The stakes are much higher for OW.

All strictly my opinion.

I think the chief was between a rock and a hard place. When the DOJ came in, I am sure he was being pressured to 'be compassionate, be more flexible, and listen' to the community. Also, he had to try and prepare the community for the GJ decision. So why not make a reasoned apology. Apologizing to the family does not mean that he thinks the shooting was unjustified. I am sorry for their loss as well. As a parent, my heart goes out to them. But that does not mean I am not fully behind Officer Wilson.

The chief is an experienced hostage negotiator. I think he went for a walk with the protestors to try and gain some trust and some emotional connection. It does not mean that he was 'protesting.' But I do think that tactically, it put him in danger, and he should have foreseen the scuffle that was bound to occur. jmo

 

[krimekat]

ITA

I've been tossing and turning all night, thinking about all the dominoes these shootings set in motion.

I think my biggest worry is the chance that it could lead to the appointment of a special prosecutor. :waitasec:

IIRC, that threat was removed when the governor ended the state of emergency. Does anyone know the ins & outs regarding that possibility?

I have a terrible feeling that this was set in motion by that group, for the family to achieve its urgent desire for a special prosecutor.

BBM above: that won't happen. Gov Nixon already said he wouldn't do it & now doesn't have the ability to under MO law; McCulloch stated he will not step aside

until Gov Nixon declares another "state of emergency", there will be no special prosecutor in StL County

 

[CHERIE.T]

well, that ought to narrow it down----NOT.

LOL that describes about 1/4 of the folks I saw Friday night at the grocery store in my town.

 

[bettybaby00]

I think the chief was between a rock and a hard place. When the DOJ came in, I am sure he was being pressured to 'be compassionate, be more flexible, and listen' to the community. Also, he had to try and prepare the community for the GJ decision. So why not make a reasoned apology. Apologizing to the family does not mean that he thinks the shooting was unjustified. I am sorry for their loss as well. As a parent, my heart goes out to them. But that does not mean I am not fully behind Officer Wilson.

The chief is an experienced hostage negotiator. I think he went for a walk with the protestors to try and gain some trust and some emotional connection. It does not mean that he was 'protesting.' But I do think that tactically, it put him in danger, and he should have foreseen the scuffle that was bound to occur. jmo

ICA. However the problem is that he will not survive this IMO. Someone "has to pay," and if the evidence clearly exonerates OW, it's going to be the Cheif.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Obama last night:

President Barack Obama says the widespread mistrust of law enforcement that was exposed after the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black man in Ferguson, Missouri, is corroding America, not just its black communities, and that the wariness flows from significant racial disparities in the administration of justice.

“Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement — guilty of walking while black, driving while black, judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness,” he said.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/09/27/obama-mistrust-of-police-corrodes-america/

Not helping or dealing with the actual facts of Ferguson.

'stereotypes?' I used to think they were stereotypes. But many of these 'peaceful' protestors have brought those stereotypes to life. I am seeing it in living color now. Angry, vicious vitriol aimed at 'white cops.' So why wouldn't a cop want to frisk a young black man when encountering him?

 

[Klood-N]

But we still have to close these opportunity gaps. And we have to close the justice gap -- how justice is applied, but also how it is perceived, how it is experienced. (Applause.) Eric Holder understands this. (Applause.) That’s what we saw in Ferguson this summer, when Michael Brown was killed and a community was divided. We know that the unrest continues. And Eric spent some time with the residents and police of Ferguson, and the Department of Justice has indicated that its civil rights investigation is ongoing. Now, I won’t comment on the investigation. I know that Michael’s family is here tonight.

And next week, I’m launching My Brother’s Keeper Community Challenge, asking every community in the country -- big cities and small towns, rural counties, tribal nations -- to publicly commit to implementing strategies that will ensure all young people can succeed, starting from the cradle, all the way to college and a career.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...dent-congressional-black-caucus-awards-dinner

More "change", ensuring outcomes, and trying to rally the vote in November, IMO. Just another agenda on top of Michael, in spite of the facts.

 

[ontheclock]

Seeing that horrid vitriol and anger last night, when that loony woman and crazy guy kept screaming at the cops, was sickening. But when that CHEER went out, upon hearing a cop was shot--- ---that was truly revolting. And I have lost every tiny shred of respect and compassion for them.

Yep. I wonder who they really think their audience is. I see their cause going backward 40 years or so. Nothing constructive or of any value is taking place in Ferguson right now.

 

[krimekat]

Not sure what they think CCW holders can do, plus those are the folks LEAST likely to start a confrontation at that pizza shop because they could lose their carry license.

It is kind of funny though, they don't dare mess with the angry white guy with a gun (but they had no problem messing with the other store keepers).

I like to think if a bunch of us lived close to Ferguson we would meet up at that pizza place for dinner and show our support (I am sure some here would be up for it too).

Honestly, I'm only 15 miles away & won't go near that area for all the tea in China even in the daylight; heck, I won't even use I70 anymore . . .

I was safe out in the hills of Wildwood at the BBQ Fest -- it was awesome! There were some County PD but not many & the Wildwood cops were directly traffic mostly