MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #3

[popsicle]

I had to turn off my TV and stop reading a lot of sites.

WHY do people and reporters persist in pointing out/pushing the line from the chief's quote that the officer didn't stop them because of the robbery...

But refuse to add that the chief ALSO said that the officer then realized that they fit the BOLO?

Especially since it explains his sudden turn around and approach to the suspects?

Same reason it gets repeated in here...it fits their facts. jmo

 

[JLSChook]

Just reposting since it seems that some are concerned IF Mike was shot in the back:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_e9b5412f-2283-512e-8636-0d2bbe958c5c.html

ST. LOUIS • The fact that Michael Brown was unarmed and possibly fleeing when a Ferguson police officer shot him does not necessarily mean the use of force was unjustified in the eyes of the law.

“The federal courts are very clear that there are times and places where officers are allowed to shoot people in the back when they are running away, even if they are unarmed,” said David Klinger, a criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and expert on police shootings.

Klinger, a former police officer, pointed to the 1985 U.S. Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner.

In a 6-3 opinion, the court held that “deadly force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer had probable cause to believe that the suspect posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

 

[vulture]

LOL, there are Buddhist temples in North County! Although if they really did come all the way over from India I'll take back the LOL!

 

[cady]

Someone asked this wayyyy back and we sort of laughed it off, but where WERE the cigarillos? Are there any splattered around the body or somewhere on the street? They've gotta be somewhere, lol. JMO

 

[KEVINinTO]

I find it peculiar that details of the autopsy performed days ago have not been released yet - either officially or through family channels. The autopsy should conclusively answer the question of whether Brown was shot from the front or from the back (as alleged by witnesses). For sure the family would be privy to the autopsy results and I would be surprised if their lawyer has not reviewed the report.

If the autopsy supported the allegations that the officer shot Brown in the back as he was fleeing wouldn't you think that we would have heard about this from the family's lawyer by now? Instead the family lawyer has advised that the family will have a second autopsy performed by Dr. Michael Baden. Why the need for a second autopsy? Is the family not happy with the conclusions of the autopsy performed by the State?

Adding to the intrigue is the news that Eric Holder has ordered another autopsy to be performed - the same Eric Holder that tried to suppress release of the video of Michael Brown committing a violent strong-arm robbery.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I had to turn off my TV and stop reading a lot of sites.

WHY do people and reporters persist in pointing out/pushing the line from the chief's quote that the officer didn't stop them because of the robbery...

But refuse to add that the chief ALSO said that the officer then realized that they fit the BOLO?

Especially since it explains his sudden turn around and approach to the suspects?

Because the agenda is to appease not truth, not justice.

I fear for that officer, I think there are quite a few in power that would simply love to hand him over to the angry mob. It makes their job easier than finding the truth and dealing with the fallout.

How will the community react if the shooting is deemed justifiable ????


All IMO


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[Muffet]

And the guy caught giving his account on the video where he states he believed the officer kept missing while he was shooting because he just kept running toward the officer.


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And that guy is the only eye-witness (ETA in that video) who didn't say "that's what I heard".

He also didn't likely have fear that his statement or identity would go on the record and make him a target as a "snitch"... Which appears to be a factor for people there, as we discussed yesterday.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I doubt that's the reason, I think it runs deeper than that for some. It's obvious to me...

Neither of those witnesses came in contact with each other. If you can show me they did, I'll rethink my position..

I think the gang up feeling is due to not believing the blue wall of silence infiltrated the officers account of things, not all police can be trusted. Some have indeed falsified their reports to back their fellow officer. The timing of the store video, with the incident report is too coincidental to me..

I hope the autopsy report is released...

The timing of the store video?
What do you mean?

Incident report?

Please explain. I honestly don't understand


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[Amber29]

I had to turn off my TV and stop reading a lot of sites.

WHY do people and reporters persist in pointing out/pushing the line from the chief's quote that the officer didn't stop them because of the robbery...

But refuse to add that the chief ALSO said that the officer then realized that they fit the BOLO?

Especially since it explains his sudden turn around and approach to the suspects?

Yep because it doesn't fit the narrative or the agenda. This is my fear in all this, Wilson could be completely justified in his shooting and it's not going to matter. I won't be surprised if he ends being charged with something because some feel they have to make the mob happy with "justice". I hope that everything ends up based on facts and truth but I'm not confident in that after watching how this is playing out.

 

[popsicle]

Someone asked this wayyyy back and we sort of laughed it off, but where WERE the cigarillos? Are there any splattered around the body or somewhere on the street? They've gotta be somewhere, lol. JMO

Who laughed about it? The friend took them. After he admitted what MB did he gave the box to LE.

 

[Kimster]

Kimster or Fran...what are the rules about transcribing witness statements from interviews. Is that a no-no to post in full?

As long as you state this is what you hear in the interview, and supply a link, it's fine.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Someone asked this wayyyy back and we sort of laughed it off, but where WERE the cigarillos? Are there any splattered around the body or somewhere on the street? They've gotta be somewhere, lol. JMO

I have wondered about this as well. Were the cigarillo's found on or near the body of Michael Brown? Were they located ? Could it be that Brown handed the Cigarillo's to Dorian Johnson? This is an important question because LE decided not to charge Dorian Johnson as an accomplice in the robbery. If in fact Dorian Johnson was in possession of this stolen merchandise he should have been charged.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I find it peculiar that details of the autopsy performed days ago have not been released yet - either officially or through family channels. The autopsy should conclusively answer the question of whether Brown was shot from the front or from the back (as alleged by witnesses). For sure the family would be privy to the autopsy results and I would be surprised if their lawyer has not reviewed the report.

If the autopsy supported the allegations that the officer shot Brown in the back as he was fleeing wouldn't you think that we would have heard about this from the family's lawyer by now? Instead the family lawyer has advised that the family will have a second autopsy performed by Dr. Michael Baden. Why the need for a second autopsy? Is the family not happy with the conclusions of the autopsy performed by the State?

Adding to the intrigue is the news that Eric Holder has ordered another autopsy to be performed - the same Eric Holder that tried to suppress release of the video of Michael Brown committing a violent strong-arm robbery.

They can tell with some degree of certainty how far he was away when shooting first started and ended too correct?




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[katydid23]

I just heard Mr Crump say something VERY interesting to the crowd, while standing with MB's parents at the rally.

I'd like to see it gain, but he said, almost in a warning tone, to the crowd:

" Now YOU all are going to hear some talk about young Michael Brown in the next few days...and do not let it distract us from the truth/...."

I am paraphrasing, but that is the essence. It sounded to me like he was warning folks about another shoe about to be dropped. Maybe the tox results or the autopsy?

 

[MyBelle]

Because the agenda is to appease not truth, not justice.

I fear for that officer, I think there are quite a few in power that would simply love to hand him over to the angry mob. It makes their job easier than finding the truth and dealing with the fallout.

How will the community react if the shooting is deemed justifiable ????


All IMO


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I doubt the community is behind all the looting and pillaging. I think the instigators are outsiders who take road trips to seize any excuse to instigate. Why the cops don't roll up and make massive arrests like the Chicago cops do with the rowdy drunks downtown on St. Paddy's Day is beyond me.

 

[Amber29]

Because the agenda is to appease not truth, not justice.

I fear for that officer, I think there are quite a few in power that would simply love to hand him over to the angry mob. It makes their job easier than finding the truth and dealing with the fallout.

How will the community react if the shooting is deemed justifiable ????


All IMO


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I completely agree Linda.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just heard Mr Crump say something VERY interesting to the crowd, while standing with MB's parents at the rally.

I'd like to see it gain, but he said, almost in a warning tone, to the crowd:

" Now YOU all are going to hear some talk about young Michael Brown in the next few days...and do not let it distract us from the truth/...."

I am paraphrasing, but that is the essence. It sounded to me like he was warning folks about another shoe about to be dropped. Maybe the tox results or the autopsy?

It's IMO disgusting the way Krump and others manipulate the gullible for their own agenda.


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[TaylurRose02]

When a lone officer is shooting in self defense, he does not shoot one or two bullets. He is going to keep shooting until the suspect is DOWN. Especially if he thinks the person is on drugs of some kind. It often takes several bullets to bring someone to their knees.

If he walked up to a kneeling man, with his hands in the air, begging for his life, I will be sad and shocked. But I find that hard to believe. If he had already been shot 7 times, how would he be able to kneel have hands raised and speak coherently?

We don't know if it was in self defense though. IMO I don't think it's ethical to discredit witness statements, but then base my opinion on a conflicting witness statement. Everyone has the same ability to lie and bend the truth to fit a scenario. I don't know if I agree with the statement that an officer would shoot an unarmed man that many times. If it turned out that MB did attack him, I could see one shot. But I think the excessive amount of shots is what bothers people about the case, at least that's what bothers me the most. He was an officer for 6 years, so I would think he would be capable of apprehending a suspect without gunfire or at least shoot him in the leg or somewhere to disable movement. But then again, I don't know what prompted the shooting or the severity of the physical assault. I'm just spit-balling. Where was it said that he was kneeling and begging for his life? I haven't read that anywhere unless someone posted about it and I missed it. I've only read that he had his hands up and told Johnson to run. I don't know if he even had his hands up to be honest because that's only been reported through witnesses. I don't discredit any of them. I just don't feel that they are objective enough because of the circumstances.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Who laughed about it? The friend took them. After he admitted what MB did he gave the box to LE.

If in fact this is what happened I cannot understand why LE did not charge Dorian Johnson as an accessory to the strong-arm robbery. He was with Brown when the robbery occurred and he was in possession of the stolen goods. I suspect LE didn't want to charge Dorian Johnson fearing it would further inflame the situation in Ferguson. I wonder if Eric Holder had anything to do with the decision not to lay charges.

 

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Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m
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