MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #3

[LiveLaughLuv]

That stance doesn't work because they are not all bullet holes. There were also entry/re-entry holes. imo

One of the bullets shattered his right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone, according to the autopsy.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-family-autopsy/index.html?iref=storysearch

I believe that stance does indeed pan out...the bullet to the right eye travelled, not the ones up his arm...

 

[popsicle]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-family-autopsy/index.html?iref=storysearch

I believe that stance does indeed pan out...the bullet to the right eye travelled, not the ones up his arm...

What about his shoulder?

 

[HauntsForHope]

"At least one shot fired inside the car"


Interview with Johnson and his attorney.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/police-shooting-draws-massive-protests-317336131948

 

[Foxfire]

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[Spellbound]

I honestly don't know how to feel about this incident. While I want to believe the boy did not deserve to be shot (or killed), the after-effects by citizens does not seem warranted. Peaceful demonstrations would be fine; looting, taunting, disrespecting orders, firecrackers or shootings should not be occurring. And I don't know how much of what I read or hear is completely accurate.

There are videos to be found that follow the shooting and are very graphic in language and seeing the body laying in the street uncovered. In the background is another voice that possibly gives some vindication to the offer's actions. I don't know if these sites that link to the video are legit so I have not linked them here. You can do a search if you want: "Eyewitness vindicates officer in shooting". it can be found on Google and on YouTube.

I guess my point would be that there can be more than one viewpoint from eyewitnesses seeing the exact same scene, and we cannot be absolutely certain of the facts at this point. Also, most eyewitnesses that I have seen only saw or paid attention after the shooting had occurred. Nevertheless, the hostility we are seeing is adding to the confusion.

JMO, of course.

 

[JeannaT]

Watching an entire city self destruct like this is very very sad.

Is the city self-destructing? From what I can tell, St. Louis cardinals are playing and the other night had a sell-out game during the height of the protesting/looting. I think except for this one area, everything else is pretty much unaffected - or has that changed? The Cardinals are still planning to play tonight, tomorrow and Wed night and ticket sales are still proceeding, from what I can tell.

 

[bettybaby00]

They are damning against the lying eyewitnesses and aren't damning against the police officer, that's for sure.

here's the thing IMHO. Baden's report attempts to paint a somewhat sympathetic picture, yet he can't ignore the obvious i.e. MB was not shot in the back, likely shot from a distance, and the fatal shot could have been sustained while he was "charging forward toward the officer."

other than that people can and are seeing only what supports their beliefs in this case. IMO based on what he isn't saying, or addressing, the forensics may prove to be much more damning. The tox screen, report on MBs clothing, evidence from the car etc, seem destined to reveal more evidence supporting Wilson's account of events. If he could have offered up definite evidence Wilson shot an unarmed youth who was kneeling in the street with his hands in the air "begging for his life," he would have done it. ITS WHAT HE WAS 'HIRED' TO DO.

i know he's doing this pro bono, but he is there at the request of the family b/c they didn't/don't trust the local officials (which i can empathize with). If his examination of MB definitely showed "he was shot in the back," "his hands were in the air" or "officer stood over victim and delivered fatal shot," he would have said as much.

Everyone is clamoring for "justice for MB," but what happens if and when the investigation proves it was a justifiable shooting? Will there then be justice for Wilson?

MOO, IMO etc.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What about his shoulder?

The collarbone? Seems only one bullet travelled, I'm no forensic expert but this surely that is the only bullet that traveled..according to the forensic expert.

 

[bettybaby00]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-family-autopsy/index.html?iref=storysearch

I believe that stance does indeed pan out...the bullet to the right eye travelled, not the ones up his arm...

but we don't know fully which bullets did what….

Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

 

[bettybaby00]

The collarbone? Seems only one bullet travelled, I'm no forensic expert but this surely that is the only bullet that traveled..according to the forensic expert.

no.

Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

 

[popsicle]

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Baden's Report

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown&#8217;s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family&#8217;s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

The collarbone? Seems only one bullet travelled, I'm no forensic expert but this surely that is the only bullet that traveled..according to the forensic expert.

Baden clearly draws the line where a bullet entered/re-entered the arm to the armpit area. jmo

 

[Sonya610]

It looks quite likely that his arms were in the air when he was shot - but I don't think running at someone you had previously accosted is an indication of surrendering.

More likely his arms were at his side (running) and the officer's shots leaned to the left of center. Notice it looks like MB's palm/hand was grazed by a bullet, that would make sense if his hands were at his side at an angle rather than raised over his head.

The trajectory of the bullets should show what the position of his arms were.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Baden clearly draws the line where a bullet entered/re-entered the arm to the armpit area. jmo

Isn't it the collar bone that traveled up to this eye?

I see the X by the collar bone with dotted lines showing the bullet going into the eye socket..as well as the upper arm going to the nipple of the chest.

 

[bettybaby00]

Isn't it the collar bone that traveled up to this eye?

I see the X by the collar bone with dotted lines showing the bullet going into the eye socket..as well as the upper arm going to the nipple of the chest.

thanks for enlarging i couldn't figure out how to do it!

the upper arm shot…if his arms were in the air and he sustained that shot, wouldn't it pass through his arm? the only way i see it traveling to his chest/pec area is b/c his arm was at his side?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

thanks for enlarging i couldn't figure out how to do it!

the upper arm shot&#8230;if his arms were in the air and he sustained that shot, wouldn't it pass through his arm? the only way i see it traveling to his chest/pec area is b/c his arm was at his side?

I don't know, I'm no expert but listening to CNN two experts seem to believe Mike Browns arms were raised above his head.

I just want to know the truth. If the FBI/DOJ feel this was not a good shoot, so be it. If they say it was, so be it..

 

[tlcya]

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Working Uploads2/Autopsy4_zps15fa8b76.jpg

found this image on twitter, if inappropriate I apologize in advance. I'm listening to CNN, no link, Another forensic expert on CNN agrees w/ hand + arms wounds likely mean his hands up as witnesses say.

Not sure what will become of this if anything...damn shame due process was not afforded...

head down hands up. But what is not known without knowing trajectories is was he like this:


Or was he like this:

 

[popsicle]

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[Sonya610]

the upper arm shot&#8230;if his arms were in the air and he sustained that shot, wouldn't it pass through his arm? the only way i see it traveling to his chest/pec area is b/c his arm was at his side?

Good catch, you are right.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Here in Missouri the Highway Patrol do more than work the highways. They have investigators, a water division, drug and crime, research and development. Not sure if thats all of the divisions but at least some. They back up local law enforcement in every county in the state. I believe a couple I saw a couple troopers in the video right after the shooting. They often get called in to investigate other agency when necessary. Captain Johnson is the commander of troop C. It covers 11 counties. My opinion is that he hasn't been in the field for quite sometime so he is seeing what his troops are up against. Oh and they do work the highways too. The rural counties depend on them a lot for resources and backup.

Yes, as with a number of other states, the name "Highway Patrol" is sometimes synonymous with the name "State Police."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Highway_Patrol:

According to Chapter 43.025 RSMo: "The primary purpose of the highway patrol is to enforce the traffic laws and promote safety upon the highways. As near as practicable all personnel of the patrol shall be used for carrying out these purposes." The MSHP has a criminal investigation division that investigates crimes statewide such as murder, robbery, burglary, rape and financial crimes. The Missouri State Highway Patrol is more than a Highway Patrol; MSHP functions more like a full service state police agency.

MSHP's web site:

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/Root/index.html

 

[Isabelle]

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Working Uploads2/Autopsy4_zps15fa8b76.jpg

found this image on twitter, if inappropriate I apologize in advance. I'm listening to CNN, no link, Another forensic expert on CNN agrees w/ hand + arms wounds likely mean his hands up as witnesses say.

Not sure what will become of this if anything...damn shame due process was not afforded...

Can't say I have ever seen anyone run palms forward with arms down.