MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[MyBelle]

Mini rant here. I'm about done with CNN and their statistics. They seem to throw out random statistics without any other information - fanning the racist flames even more and making it sound that Ferguson is partial to hiring white officers. We don't know that. Just now Jeffrey Tubin said...."Ferguson's police force consists of 90% white officers". Well hmmmmm....can we get some more info regarding those statistics? Like how many qualified Black or Hispanic potential police officers are actually applying for police officer positions in Ferguson? Adding that info might help someone determine whether or not there is a problem if Blacks are being passed over in favor of whites.

Chief Jackson did address this in an interview early on. He said he had been trying to achieve greater diversity since he was hired as Chief. I think the Justice Dept. will do an audit into their hiring practices and determine what is needed to achieve it whether it be implementing hiring quotas or rotating officers within the entire county or whatever. St. Louis is a large metro area so there is an applicant pool to draw from. My gosh, the DOJ forced AT&T to achieve diversity 40 years ago so they certainly can do it in St. Louis. This is squarely the fault of community elected officials who all seem to be hiding in their basements during this mess.

JMO

 

[Minette]

you must not have been paying much attention to the endless criticism he faces by those who insist he investigates too much.

this thread is amazing.

the only folks who are making it clear that justice has ONE look and only one, are those who insist that wilson was justified. it's entirely ridiculous.

my brother, a white cop, was shot in the line of duty by an 18 yo black kid. my brother fired back and the kid was killed. do not blast me as unknowing or whatever else for finally stating what needed to be said here.

i've never, ever seen a group of people insist so damn hard that a town of 23,000 people in US cannot possibly be home to corrupt police, and cops who kill when killing is unwarranted. are we now denying that this country used to hang black people on trees, too?

MOO

Doubt, no one is denying this country's shameful and ugly history wrt to race relations. (Or at least I'm not, I can't speak for everyone here, of course.) And YES, police corruption happens, racial profiling happens, and both of these things are bad and interfere with justice. (Hey, I'm from the Atlanta area and just about every day a new government official gets indicted on racketeering or corruption charges, a cop gets charged with child molestation, there are bad people out there in positions of authority, no Doubt about it, my little pun, please forgive me!)

BUT there isn't ALWAYS a racial motive in a police shooting, the cop isn't always looking to kill an unarmed black kid, sometimes there is just a tragic sequence of actions by all involved that leads to a death that should not have happened and was preventable.....but was led to by the actions of the deceased. And that's where I'm at with this case right now, because regardless of all the weight of racial tensions/injustices in this country's past and present you still don't get to grab an old man by the throat and then punch a cop in the face and face no consequences. I wish the consequences had been non-lethal, but if you punch at and severely injure an armed officer of the law sometimes bad things will happen to you. I'm sorry Michael Brown didn't get to go on to school and perhaps make a good future for himself. I just feel that the reason he won't was due to his own actions, not the whole history of racial injustices in this country.

MOO, etc. I just wanted to address your point, because I think it's a good one, I just think it doesn't apply *in this case.*

 

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Capt. Johnson is doing some kind of ridealong with Don Lemon. They just stopped at Red's BBQ.


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[Sonya610]

On the way to the health club today I heard on ABC news, McCulluch will introduce the tape of the unknown witness that said MB rushed the officer.

Reports say there are now a dozen witnesses that confirm Wilson's story. Maybe that is why they are thinking the GJ won't be done until October??? To hope things calm down in 2 months and by October the weather will be colder to discourage long term riots as well if they don't indict?

 

[Linda7NJ]

AWWWW, Poor kid. I'm sure you were scared and I'm sorry for his ordeal. Did the bone heal? JMO

Yep, didn't require any intervention at all.
I was scared to death!

He didn't even cry, not once, until we got home and he looked in the mirror. He just wanted assurance it would get better. He was terrified it would always look like that.

After he was assured he would be fine....He thought it was the coolest thing ever...boys...eyeroll...




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[jggordo]

I believe the family should be careful what they ask for. And furthermore don't believe their "attorneys" are giving them proper advice. If this officer is arrested today, then he has a right to a speedy trial. And in so much could rush the prosecution to present a case in that respect. Without a full and complete investigation, they could lose easily with no option to present new evidence due to double jeapordy.

JMO

 

[Minette]

NOW he picked up the clerk by the throat? Hmmmmm. JMO

I should say, that's what I personally saw in the surveillance video. The one that gets mostly shown on MM now is the one where he kind of side-arms the guy out of the way, but earlier in that sequence when first confronted by the store owner I saw him grab the owner by the throat/front of the shirt (if there is a difference) and pull him up.

 

[CARIIS]

"Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction,strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don`t deny that,” Daryl Parks, attorney for Brown’s family said Monday night. “I think as evidence comes out, you'll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/1...opsy-fight-car

Hi

Thank you for this! I had heard about it but seeing " it" is very signigant and want to make sure everyone has the chance to see it.

IMO THe whole case is dependant on this angle --in that it provides proof that the officer had a reason to fear for his life, be scared, and have concluded that this guy was dangerous!

Asualting a cop in his car is pretty intense, has been reported, but so many media outlets continue to act like it is in dispute:

 

[TexanMom]

I have quite a few friends on Facebook posting stuff about how 'this kid was killed over a box of $50 cigars, no one deserves to die for that' just totally disregarding the facts that a) Officer Wilson didn't even know about the strong-arm robbery when he first encountered MB & DJ and b) it wasn't 'just' a box of cigars, it was picking up an older, much smaller man by the throat. I bothered to point this out to one of them, and she conceded the point, but the next day was back to posting about someone not deserving to die over an act of shoplifting.

It seems there is a DETERMINATION to make the facts fit the scenario of the innocent young boy walking harmlessly in the street who was shot down by a bloodthirsty cop over a box of cigars while begging for his life completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary. And to have the governor and the U.S. Attorney General pandering to this thirst for mob justice....it makes me sad for my country and it makes me afraid.

Unfortunately, there is a real "dumbing down" in this country. Critical thinking and common sense are becoming rare.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Unfortunately, there is a real "dumbing down" in this country. Critical thinking and common sense is becoming rare.

Very.

It's the "sheep" mentality.


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[i.b.nora]

Sorry if someone else shared this already:

Its been posted before and St Louis Dispatch didn't authorize it. Article here:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_650de303-dffa-5395-b616-649afadd96cb.html

 

[DebinGA]

I should say, that's what I personally saw in the surveillance video. The one that gets mostly shown on MM now is the one where he kind of side-arms the guy out of the way, but earlier in that sequence when first confronted by the store owner I saw him grab the owner by the throat/front of the shirt (if there is a difference) and pull him up.

IIRC MB did something, perhaps grabbing little man's shirt at the neck, which brought him up on his toes and closer to MB's angry face.

 

[Minette]

http://l.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/fUV5mM3STJOFUkVaOIqiVg--/dz02NDA7Zmk9ZmlsbDtweW9mZj0wO2g9MzYwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.cbstv.com/d17062b0c60c576830451462b5edd037 Well, I hate CNN, they had posted a still from the surveillance video showing the throat grab and now I'm having to scroll through a zillion things to find it, when I do I will post it here!

Dang, I hope this works, I wish CNN still had up the two stills they had a couple of days ago. Anyway, if this doesn't show up I'll find another source. But ^this? Is not OK.

Edit #2, THIS is not OK either, but apparently since it's 'just' a shove it's acceptable, I guess. http://videos.usatoday.net/Brightcove2/29906170001/2014/08/29906170001_3732433481001_video-still-for-video-3732417230001.jpg

 

[Linda7NJ]

My second thought was poor Linda7NJ having a kid with a horrid black eye that lasted months.

Can you even imagine what people thought when they saw her with that child in public? I can! They likely wondered if the parents were beating that poor child!

I never even thought of that! Lmao! I bet they did wonder!!

It took an entire year for all the bruising to go away!



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[mdana]

There are people in every profession who abuse their power and have the potential to hurt someone -- Doctors, clergy, teachers, coaches. The difference between them and LEO is that in any given situation, a police officer could be putting his/her life on the line. For that reason alone, his/her orders should be obeyed. But if a police officer is telling you to strip and climb into the back of his cruiser, then your good sense should probably override respect for the badge.

BBM-

Certain healthcare professionals deal with people with mental health issues and can be exposed to hazardous situations when dealing with potential dangerous blood and organ exposure. We don't cary guns and are not authorized to use deadly force. I have been involved in dangerous situations and the subject was subdued without additional injuries to the patient or the staff.

I am not equating the frequency of dangerous situations or the potential that almost any incident could turn deadly for an officer, but just wanted to point out other professions face dangerous potentially, deadly situations as well. I don't know how police officers and their families deal with the potential of an officer not coming home.

-JMO

 

[SStarr33]

Honestly, I can't answer that. I know when it happened, it was a little swollen, he was given an ice pack and sat down . ( daycamp at the time) when the nurse checked on him, three hours later, they called me all panicked and an ambulance. I met them at the hospital. It had swollen shut, the eyeball was blood red, and I swear, not exaggerating around his eye and his eyelid swelled up the size of a baseball.
He did say he was very disorientated but didn't loose consciousness.
He had a CAT scan and saw "eyeball"
Specialists. ( forget the name) neurologists..and even a plastic surgeon.

I can't find the early photos... This one is 3 months later. I edited it so he can't be recognized per TOS

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If Wilson looks only half that bruised it will be quite a testament to what he endured.

 

[Observer in AZ]

you must not have been paying much attention to the endless criticism he faces by those who insist he investigates too much.

this thread is amazing.

the only folks who are making it clear that justice has ONE look and only one, are those who insist that wilson was justified. it's entirely ridiculous.

my brother, a white cop, was shot in the line of duty by an 18 yo black kid. my brother fired back and the kid was killed. do not blast me as unknowing or whatever else for finally stating what needed to be said here.

i've never, ever seen a group of people insist so damn hard that a town of 23,000 people in US cannot possibly be home to corrupt police, and cops who kill when killing is unwarranted. are we now denying that this country used to hang black people on trees, too?

MOO

Doubt~

I think why you see a majority of posts that may be perceived as Pro Wilson is because unfortunately the majority of other social media outlets are convinced of his being just what you said cop who kills unwarranted. I also think there's real frustration with the narrative that MB was a child, innocent of any wrong doing, police are using excessive force on women children protesting, not allowing rights to protest etc.

However, there is always 3 sides to a story Theirs, Yours and The TRUTH and NO ONE knows the whole truth on this situation. I really hate that this situation is continuing to perpetuate the shared wound of racial bias. I say racial bias because even though it's mostly pinned upon caucasians but in fact many of color and just as guilty of racial bias ie Cop was white had to be racial or he was black young male must have been .

There are a lot of really bad white people out there and there are a lot of really good black people but I think it's time we fulfill MLK's Dream and take the emphasis off the color of our skin and focus on the content of our character. Which I believe is ultimately why MB community is pushing so hard a narrative of racial issues because there is unfortunately tarnish on MB's Character.

I hope you see I too believe just like you it's time we accept our past failings and focus on our future understandings. Stated with much respect for your POV.

 

[oh_gal]

BBM-

Certain healthcare professionals deal with people with mental health issues and can be exposed to hazardous situations when dealing with potential dangerous blood and organ exposure. We don't cary guns and are not authorized to use deadly force. I have been involved in dangerous situations and the subject was subdued without additional injuries to the patient or the staff.

I am not equating the frequency of dangerous situations or the potential that almost any incident could turn deadly for an officer, but just wanted to point out other professions face dangerous potentially, deadly situations as well. I don't know how police officers and their families deal with the potential of an officer not coming home.

-JMO

The difference being that an officer is authorized to use deadly force, if necessary.

 

[Lovejac]

Odd it was printed by #rubme1 really? interesting user name just sayin..

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: THAT is awesome!

 

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