MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[Irish_Eyes]

I caught a brief part of a FOX commentary earlier that I thought was interesting. I had been wondering how long ago the GJ was empaneled, and hoped it was before Aug 9.

The guest commenter said they were empaneled in May, and their term expires Sept 10. Said they were asked to extend their service by a few weeks for this case. The commenter said since they are at the end of their term, they are an experienced GJ with dozens of cases under their belts, which he was personally pleased with. Also said that they strive to achieve a GJ that mirrors the community, and I think I heard him say there are at east 3 African Americans on the panel. In MO, the panel must have 9/12 concur for a true bill, which is apparently much higher than other states (he said most require about 50% of the panel). This commentor felt that this process was significantly better legally than one special prosecutor (referencing Angela Corey from the George Zimmerman case) making a unilateral decision to indict.

Discussion of the "ham sandwich" idiom about GJ's-- but then he gave an example of another case (can't remember where) where a police officer shot a suspect and was NOT indicted, as the officer was within protocol and had been seriously threatened.

He gave a lot of other details about what the GJ process entails, presentation of evidence and witnesses, etc. Maybe it's available as a video archive somewhere. (I think it was Shepherd Smith show on Fox-- I was doing about a dozen other things while listening from another room.) It was a lot of good info. For example, the guest commentor chastised people who criticized how "fast" the GJ receved this case. In fact, he said that a GJ has to officially have a case for the prosecutor to subpoena a lot of evidence-- so the assignment of the case, the numbering system, etc, HAS to come first.

Lots of interesting stuff Here. After more of the facts started coming out in this case then they started saying the prosecutor should recuse himself. I thought it was strange. Then I found out that if the prosecutor was removed a special prosecutor would be appointed and then the case wouldn't have to go to the grand jury. So I think it was a legal tactic, but it seems not to have worked.

Yes, they say you can indict a ham sandwich, lol. The grand jury just has to make sure that the prosecutor isn't abusing his power, and that there is a legitimate argument for why the government thinks a crime was committed, and why they think this or that particular individual is the one responsible.

I mentioned in an earlier post last night that I have a friend whose son was shot and killed by police a few years ago -and how in their case it wasn't even presented to the grand jury for something like 5 or 6 months. So that may be something that differs from state to state. The grand jury refused to indict. It was a weird case, and I think in that case they were wrong (and not just because he was my friend's son), but just goes to show it can happen.

 

[Muffet]

I understand about guarding- I tore my rotator cuff.. cow that hurt so bad.. anyway..

All of these witness reports can't be true, but some are just accepting each piece without applying any logic at all.

If he's guarding his arm, he can't have 4 shots in it-- because the time the arm shots happened and the head shots happened were a matter of moments, I can just about guarantee. MB didn't have time to get shot 4 times in the arm, guard his arm, holler, and then get 2 headshots. 6 shots, in that pattern- took probably 2-4 seconds. That all happened and a witness saw it and was able to assimilate the information properly and recall it? I'm not buying it. It's not consistent with the evidence.

And, if he's guarding his arm, he can't be surrendering with his arms up, yelling "don't shoot".

Clearly untrue- some or all of it. My money is on "all of it".

I'm with you, Lil. At least all can't be true. I only skimmed the new witness testimony, so can't comment.

I'm sorry for not being more clear that I was just responding to a few thoughts your post provoked.

I'm so sleepy, my head is just tip-toing through mental tulips.

I'm going to call it a night. Thanks, everyone! :loveyou:

 

[MyBelle]

Another random thought I can't but wonder out loud. I don't know how to put it very well, but here goes...

How many dishes of eggs in their face do Sharpton and his ilk need before they decide it would behoove them to avoid jumping to conclusions?

I followed the LaCrosse story and enough others to be amazed that they aren't hiding in a hole somewhere. They have made enough money off of stoking outrage, I bet they could even afford a nice hole.

I don't believe the President or the Attorney General give either of them the time of day. I have to wonder how Jackson or Sharpton put food on the table because these cases are pretty far apart these days. Americans have pretty much embraced diversity. But that's just my opinion.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

BBM. I'm watching Megyn Kelly. The new witness is identified as Michael T. Brady, and identified in a NYT article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?_r=0

I have copied and pasted your detailed info about Parcells from last night. I always included that it was from you. Thanks again for the research with all the links.

 

[Ladylub]

Talking to my husband earlier tonight and brought up the eye injury. He said before we met he had it both eyes in a car accident. He did not have surgery but kindly told me that if his eyes ever fall out ( the Dr told him there was a chance later in life) just help him get to the ER. My response blood freaks me out eyeballs oh no no no you are on your own Skippy. Please tell me he was messing with me. Cause now I will be eyeball checking to see if they are getting loose. lol

 

[Phoebeb]

Listening to Fox about new info from the source that is "very close to Ferguson Police" and tells Fox:

Confrontation began when DW ordered MB and his friend Dorian J to stop walking in the middle of the street, were blocking traffic. When they ignored the officer, he started to get out of his patrol car but when he tried to get out, "they shoved him right back in, that's when MB leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and face... He was beaten very severely." MB fractured DW's eye socket, leaving DW dazed, then struggle for gun, that it went off, and authorities have "solid proof that Brown actually touched the officer's gun". Source won't say on the record what that proof is. Source also said then MB started to walk away, prompting Wilson to pull his gun and ordered Brown to freeze. Brown then raised his hands, turned around and said to Wilson "what, you're going to shoot me?" (consistent with what Josie said) Source said then MB went at officer who fired 6 shots including a final shot to the head.

 

[al66pine]

Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne "Throwing urine in bottles? This really makes me mad. I just can't believe they really think this is alright to do." BBM

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08...son-protesters-throw-urine-bottles-at-police/

Guess what.
In LE, some may be view being pelted w urine filled bottles as preferable to alternatives,
such as being slashed w knives, run over by angry motorists, or being shot at!

Non-LE (and non-military) should count their blessings at their workplaces.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm still about 15 pages back but wanted to insert this here because I'm short on free time tonight



replying in the nicest possible spirit: there are no past/former Marines. once a Marine, always a Marine. ooh rah!



yes! because further along that road are medical care, classrooms, juries, jobs, housing, personal relationships, etc reverting back to remaining within "one's own people"

I have a few traditions with my grandkids. we live in mostly-white Utah and I worry that their worldview, even with the internet and such, might be quite provincial. so when they reach the appropriate age we watch To Kill A Mockingbird (FFing the rape context) and we talk about fearing/disliking people for no good reason. our next activity is to go walking in the older/historical neighborhoods looking for Boo Radley's house and Jem/Scout's house: "do people like that live where we live?" when they reach the next appropriate age, and understand the subject of rape, I give them the book and we discuss things further. at the next appropriate age I give them two PBS DVDs: The Freedom Riders and a bio of RFK, and then we talk about the ills of racism and how (I hope) they will participate in shaping their world by being accountable for their actions and accepting no less from others. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that among the things I try to teach them is that the thugging lifestyle is not what the Freedom Riders had in mind when they were willing to be beaten senseless



IA and I will be right there, apologizing with you

YOU are a wonderful grandmother and teacher!!!!

To Kill a Mockingbird ..,is one of my own sons favorite movies.
(Hanging head in shame we've never read the book)....but he and I have watched it together and discussed it many many times through the years! ( we are about due to watch it again lol)




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[Blue_Dolphin308]

Im heading back to bed too, will watch presser on CNN, we have storms here and its wreaking havoc on my pain. Night everyone. Hope what we saw tonite continues for the coming days!

 

[Linda7NJ]

:lol: well?

I'm
Impressed....

But he still irks me for some reason.
That was worth watching!
Thank you all for re-linking


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[MyBelle]

I am not following you. You edited my post making it look like I stated it was in Gardner. It stated:



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Olathe

More that I did not originally post




Google mapquest and type in driving directions for Gardner to Olathe.

http://www.mapquest.com/#f5f5278fb1f1ba1479537aba

New Century AirCenter is closer to "downtown" Gardner, KS than it is to Olathe. I don't know which city/town it was in when it closed, I assume part of Olathe. I just posted what Wikipedia had assuming that answered your response. You stated you were unfamiliar with any Naval Station in the 1950s in the Kansas City Area, and now seem to imply it doesn't meet some new criteria of yours as if it couldn't have been there. I am not sure if we have different definitions of the Kansas City area or my use of the word base instead of station caused problems. I think of navy and just assume base, army fort, marines camp. I don't know if he was in the reserves when he was stationed there or not. I just know he was stationed there in the mid to late 1950s, not exactly sure around 1957, I think.

-JMO

No, I said there was no Navy base in Kansas City. I never said I was unfamiliar with Kansas City. Olathe wasn't a Navy base, it was a pilot training facility. It wasn't in Gardner, it was in Olathe. Wikipedia isn't always right. It is an irrelevant point to the topic we are discussing on this thread. Let's move on....

 

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne "Throwing urine in bottles? This really makes me mad. I just can't believe they really think this is alright to do." BBM



Guess what.
In LE, some may be view being pelted w urine filled bottles as preferable to alternatives,
such as being slashed w knives, run over by angry motorists, or being shot at!

Non-LE (and non-military) should count their blessings at their workplaces.

JMO

True, but I know in the prisons, the inmates try to throw urine at the guards because they hope to pass on serious diseases. [ fill in the blanks..,]

 

[popsicle]

Im heading back to bed too, will watch presser on CNN, we have storms here and its wreaking havoc on my pain. Night everyone. Hope what we saw tonite continues for the coming days!

Hope you feel better.

 

[liloleme]

Another random thought I can't but wonder out loud. I don't know how to put it very well, but here goes...

How many dishes of eggs in their face do Sharpton and his ilk need before they decide it would behoove them to avoid jumping to conclusions?

I followed the LaCrosse story and enough others to be amazed that they aren't hiding in a hole somewhere. They have made enough money off of stoking outrage, I bet they could even afford a nice hole.

I think the thing that baffles me so much... is the selective memory of bad deeds when it comes to perpetrators Jackson & Sharpton (not to mention Obama & Holder). I really don't get it.. my hubby and I have had this conversation... they complain about not being treated fairly (bulldink). Yet, they get by with what they do because they are black and they are TOTALLY ok with that. *THAT* is what sets civil rights back- not white people.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Another random thought I can't but wonder out loud. I don't know how to put it very well, but here goes...

How many dishes of eggs in their face do Sharpton and his ilk need before they decide it would behoove them to avoid jumping to conclusions?

I followed the LaCrosse story and enough others to be amazed that they aren't hiding in a hole somewhere. They have made enough money off of stoking outrage, I bet they could even afford a nice hole.

As long as people keep listening, they're gonna keep talking.

 

[al66pine]

Re: anonymous tape being introduced into evd.???

The tape supported the defendents version.

Sorry, got confused about which tape.
Thx for pointing this out.

 

[liloleme]

But he NEVER admits he was wrong. To this day he tries to claim he was right about the Tawana Brawley case. He never backs down, or admits mistakes etc. If someone whipped out a secret video of Big Mike punching the officer and grappling over the gun, he'd still deny it.

THIS!!! THIS!!!

They are already doing this. No one is talking about the robbery. No one is talking about the illegal drugs. No one is talking about the face punch and a busted eye orbital. I really don't get why someone isn't coming out and calling totally bahookey on this, over a bullhorn! Grr. So i.n.f.u.r.i.a.t.i.n.g.

 

[popsicle]

VICE News ‏@vicenews 4m
A KKK group claims it's protecting whites around Ferguson and raising money for Darren Wilson: http://bit.ly/1pMlZs5

 

[popsicle]

PC starting soon.

 

[liloleme]

True, but I know in the prisons, the inmates try to throw urine at the guards because they hope to pass on serious diseases. [ fill in the blanks..,]

And poop! Before hubby was in federal law enforcement, he worked corrections. I had no idea they were pure savages in there. . I guess I thought they went in and did hard time and were calm and peaceful..LOL! Hubby said they regularly got poop bombed (aka gassing). The stuff those men came up with to do/create... it's a shame all of that creative genius was wasted on such evil perversion!

Meanwhile, Stephanie on CNN has had a rough past couple of days... she hasn't changed shirts...lol