MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[krimekat]

DW was not a jaywalker, but a fleeing felon, imo. Combine this with the violent physical assaults committed by DW against the store clerk and then DW, and you have a recipe for disaster, imo..

I think you mean "violent physical assaults committed by MB against the store clerk and then DW, and you have a recipe for disaster

 

[bettybaby00]

Attention Please!

I'm seeing photos and some articles without links. If you have posted any photos or articles and did not provide a link, if it's too late for you to add it, please send me a pm that includes the link and the number of post.

I'll leave these up for the next hour or two. But if I don't get links, we'll have to remove your post.

TIA
fran

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My post #808

I took a screen cap from a taped segment from Fox News.

They don't seem to have vid on their website, so I can't link. I thought that the Fox logo on the pic covered the source requirement, but I understand if it doesn't.

I can't delete b/c the edit button isn't showing for me

Please edit as you feel appropriate.

 

[Elley Mae]

No. Really? Thanks for the heads up there, Mr. Holder.

My first thought was he was talking to a blind group of people. :waitasec:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Huh?????????? Surely you heard the initial reports that he had put his hands in the air and begged for Officer Wilson not to shoot him. His buddy and some witnesses stated as much, in case you haven't heard. I don't believe it but that doesn't mean it wasn't said.

And I believed the first version. That's why I came to this thread.

I promptly changed my mind when that narrative fell apart.

IMO


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[dandy]

wouldn't that be segregation? wasn't there a HUGE movement to end segregation?

And just why aren't there "enough" black LEs hired in Ferguson? Because they don't have the qualifications or don't apply to work in that municipality

i was perusing the qualifications - pretty standard with the exception of pass/fail written test (here they're scored and then they go off that list)

edit - although they require 40 situps in 1 min - here it's 38.

http://www.stlouisco.com/LawandPublicSafety/PoliceDepartment/CareerInformation

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is what is really sad, people get fired up about a <mod snip> that was shot by police. But nary a peep about the senseless killings that have occurred in Chicago.

That's what soooo upsetting to me. No one cares about black on black crime. Young black are killed routinely in major cities everywhere by young black men. And those poor little babies that so often get caught in the crosshairs.
Where is the justice?


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[tlcya]

I am really missing something here, I think. I'm going to blame it on not having enough coffee -- I'm just not mentally "up to speed", but what did he mean, at the end (like, the last 3 seconds) when he said, "What happened to Michael Brown shouldn't happen to any American?"

He shouldn't have been shot by police? (If this is what he's saying...and if the officer's account of what happened turns out to be the truth, then whose fault was it that MB was shot??)
He shouldn't have assaulted an officer? (allegedly)
He shouldn't have roughed up the clerk? (allegedly)
He should have chosen a better life for himself?

I was right with him until that point...and then it's like his comment made no sense.

Anyone have any insight into what he was referring to?

Thanks for your help!

I took it to mean that it is a shame when a young man of any color makes the sorts of alleged decisions that end as Mr. Brown's did, with that young man dead. I took it as him speaking to the sad state of affairs that exists in this country where young men have no guidance and a community encourages and justifies those bad decisions and choices and then raises him up as a martyr who died for a greater cause.

I took it to mean that whatever experiences and guidance in life caused him to be where he was and doing what he was that day should be addressed so that no young American black or white with his life stretched out in front of him has to die on the street at age 18 because society has taught him the odds are stacked against him anyway and the world hates him and wants him dead.

No American should come up in this world hearing and seeing the dialogue daily that he is less than, that the rest of the world sees him as a threat so he may as well be one, that white America can't wait to see him fail or die or both.

I took it to mean that Bill blames that all too common world view which black children have been fed for generations on the race pushers who make their very good livings off of the hate and the discord. That world view is perpetuated by those activists like Al and Jesse and others. It is perpetuated because those men's pocket books and lifestyles would suffer greatly if people stopped buying what they were selling. Same for rich rappers who make their livings on the backs of their fans spouting hatred and divisiveness and then spout their opinions about how horrible it is that this or that young man died when they were the ones who spent years telling these young men this was their fate and there was no changing it.

Very easy to not do or be anything other than what you are told and taught the white world is only ever going to see you as anyway. I took it to mean that the societal lie being told by some is doing a huge disservice to many young black American males and that lie has killed Mr. Brown. Cops are not on a mission to kill black men. That lie is.

much easier to simply accept that you will never be anything more than a caricature that you have been taught people see you as from the day of your birth than to fight and struggle and make wise choices in order to move past that expectation and to become what God intended for you.

 

[Lovejac]

respectfully snipped for focus

Finally, I have one last question I would love to ask Mr. Johnson's attorney - IF Officer Wilson is a cold blooded murderer, as you claim, why is your client still alive? If Officer Wilson truly just executed a man begging for mercy, why not shoot the one witness who would rat him out? The answer is that one of the men was a threat to the officer and the other was not.

That is an awesome point!

 

[krimekat]

I think it was a huge mistake by LE not to come out with Officer Wilson's version of the event immediately after it happened. The only thing we heard was an unarmed black teen was shot by a white officer and even when he put his hands in the air and begged "Don't shoot, don't shoot", the officer continued to shoot until he was dead. Judging by some of the comments that have been made by the protesters, it seems that's still all they know of what happened. If the public had known about the struggle in the police car for the officer's weapon, the officer gettting punched in the face, the robbery in the store and the store owner being roughed up, etc etc., I don't think the outrage and chaos that ensued would have happened. Something about the way this was handled just doesn't sit right with me.

because this incident is being investigated by 2 different agencies (StL County PD & FBI), Ferguson LE was limited to what they could "expose" in the beginning

and Officer Wilson's injuries were made public & known by some on 9 Aug; some just chose not to listen to all the facts (aka the media)

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

I think they are trying to underscore the hypocrisy that is going on.

I think they are doing what they do best...spreading hate.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Remember the song "Cult of Personality" by Living Color? "I exploit you, you worship me. I tell you one and one makes three..."

I love that song!!!!




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[Zuri]

And I believed the first version. That's why I came to this thread.

I promptly changed my mind when that narrative fell apart.

IMO


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I was in the same position. What bothered me the most was that MB lay dead in the street for some time before being covered up. IMO that was blatant disrespect. The milling around of white LE within the crime tape and the hundreds of black residents on the outside, with K9 cops there, was problematic for me.

Could this whole thing have been handled better? No doubt. JMV

 

[krimekat]

Nope not shot in the stomach, probably holding his shot up arm against his stomach.

and not shot in the back as DJ previously said

 

[popsicle]

Retweeted by Tim Pool
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Noah Gray &#8207;@noahWG Aug 19
Best tension-busting moment in #Ferguson: As @Timcast sought refuge on resident's lawn, owner leaned out & yelled "Y'all want freeze pops?"
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[Lovejac]

Retweeted by Matt Pearce
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Alex Ogle &#8207;@Alex_Ogle 39m
With another powerful photo, Scott Olson also just got the front cover of latest issue of @BW
http://time.com/3153326/inside-the-tragedy-of-ferguson/
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Oh, that cover. :notgood:​

That second picture is so disturbing

 

[krimekat]

I was in the same position. What bothered me the most was that MB lay dead in the street for some time before being covered up. IMO that was blatant disrespect. The milling around of white LE within the crime tape and the hundreds of black residents on the outside, with K9 cops there, was problematic for me.

Could this whole thing have been handled better? No doubt. JMV

I totally agree this could have been handled better and we must know WHY it took so long to process the scene; I have read even though appropriate resources were in the area minutes after the shooting, the resources could get through the crowd surrounding the scene (and there were gun shots reported in the area)

 

[vulture]

...much easier to simply accept that you will never be anything more than a caricature that you have been taught people see you as from the day of your birth than to fight and struggle and make wise choices in order to move past that expectation and to become what God intended for you.

Yes, that's one of the things I was referring to when I mentioned toxic pop culture as a factor.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Parks- even the worst injury possible to DW doesn't make the shooting/death of MB justifiable.

And I would agree...IF the shooting/death was triggered by a desire for retaliation. However, as the bits and pieces of evidence have come trickling out, it has become apparent that the shooting of Michael Brown was for protection...protection of a law enforcement officer, and the protection of innocent citizens who could/would have been his next victims.

I shudder to think what would have happened had MB overpowered DW and gotten his gun. I firmly believe this story would not have stopped with one dead LEO. IMO MB felt empowered to terrorize the shop keeper. He felt brazenly empowered to come after a cop. That type of empowerment just feeds on itself in the nastiest of ways.

 

[SStarr33]

I totally agree this could have been handled better and we must know WHY it took so long to process the scene; I have read even though appropriate resources were in the area minutes after the shooting, the resources could get through the crowd surrounding the scene (and there were gun shots reported in the area)

From all of the cases I have followed here, 4 hours is not very long to process a crime scene. Usually it takes a LOT longer. Maybe this was did not take as much time since it was outside?

 

[DebinGA]

As terrible as it was for MB's body to remain so long in full view of onlookers, imagine the horrible things Crump, Inc would be claiming police did if the body had been screened from view?