MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

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  • #981
This is an attorney? :facepalm: He might want to brush up on the actual laws before spewing more of this rhetoric.

Just proof that the truth doesn't matter at this point. I heard practically the same thing said from people interviewed last night on the Megyn Kelly show and Hannity. Hannity was all over someone saying "but you weren't there, how do you know that's how it happened" the attitude was pretty much we do know what happened and DW is guilty. It's astounding how many don't actually want to hear/believe any other version.

That's why IMO it doesn't matter that the police didn't release DWs side because it wouldn't have even mattered. Those who don't want to be open to the truth, would've believed it be lies like they do now.
It's clear when the story has evolved, they admit to some of the wrong by MB but it it still doesn't matter in their eyes. Like it's no biggie he robbed a store 10mins prior and assaulted an officer. It's truly mind boggling.
 
  • #982
wouldn't that be segregation? wasn't there a HUGE movement to end segregation?

And just why aren't there "enough" black LEs hired in Ferguson? Because they don't have the qualifications or don't apply to work in that municipality

I hope you realize that my comment was made in a "wishful thinking" sort of way, borne out of frustration with this situation, and the article I also posted with the comment, where residents state that the white police officers in Ferguson are on a power trip.

If the black residents of Ferguson have such a problem with the white officers, wouldn't it be an ideal world if all of their police force were black, so that the whole "it's a race thing!" would be a moot point, and we wouldn't be debating it, here on WS.

It was a "tongue-in-cheek" comment. I'm sorry you didn't understand that.

As to why there aren't more black officers, that's an excellent question, and I don't have the answer.
 
  • #983
Maybe a question for a legal eagle - aren't police allowed to shoot a fleeing felon as well?

Not a legal eagle, but yes...they can.


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  • #984
If a community is 80% + black...and a black person is pulled over ...how in the world is that racial profiling?

Especially, if the police force is primarily white.

Seems to me, the problem is young black people from the community have no desire for a career on law enforcement.

All IMO


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I believe if one were to invest the time and sit down and listen to the St. Louis County Police and 911 call center for one night it begins to paint a true picture of why the "numbers" are the way they are. When robberies and larcenies occur and victims call the 911 center for help and you listen to the bolo descriptions it does not escape the fact that it is not profiling...more matter of fact.

JMO
 
  • #985
If a community is 80% + black...and a black person is pulled over ...how in the world is that racial profiling?

Especially, if the police force is primarily white.

Seems to me, the problem is young black people from the community have no desire for a career on law enforcement.

All IMO


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I bring up this point every time someone I know brings up "racism" & STILL they don't get it. I have to explain what stats are comprised of . . . even if all the officers were black, there will be more black people pulled over JUST because of the demographics of the population in that area.

It's so asinine to me! I'm glad that the educational community is teaching kids who have now missed 10 days of regular school (albeit crappy)
 
  • #986
Are we allowed to post the facebook page to show support for Officer Wilson? The mods are deleting any negative commenting there.
 
  • #987
An Open Letter to Captain Ronald S. Johnson; From former St. Louis Metro Area Police Chief Delmore



"Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed."

"Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—********. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it."

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/lifeline-training/open-letter-captain-ronald-s-j

ETA ~ I missed the "hug a looter" tweet on Twitter. :)

I wish Chief Delmore and Chief Fitch had also called out Ron Johnson not JUST for posing for pictures with the demonstrators, looters, and rioters, but actually SHOWED some of the pictures Ron Johnson posed for, IN UNIFORM. Poses that should have resulted in Ron Johnson immediately being FIRED for cause. In My Opinion. ("Hug a looter" policy, lol!)

This country fought long and hard to achieve civil rights, and end officially sanctioned segregation. But for many urban areas, that hasn't made anything better in over 50 years-- if fact, I'd argue that these environments are worse than ever, more crime ridden, and with fewer opportunities than before the civil rights movement. Self-segregation is now the norm, not oppressive segregation by policy. But now we have high level officials who want to mandate intentional law enforcement segregation-- because in their minds, only a black officer can "understand" the social problems of gritty, crime ridden urban areas. There is no possibility that a white officer, an Asian officer, a Hispanic officer, a native American officer, etc could possibly "understand" what it means to enforce peace and order and lawfulness. The absurdity of that is simply staggering, IMO. Mono-racial law enforcement officers will only INCREASE crime and corruption, IMO-- and the opinions of a lot of scholars and LE professionals. We don't achieve diversity and tolerance by officially sanctioning racial ghettos.

The problems of the poor, urban gritty neighborhoods are enormous, and multi faceted, as well as multigenerational. Attitudes are multigenerational, too. There are some good people living there who want to improve their neighborhoods and better their lives and their children's futures, but their efforts are dwarfed and crushed by the criminal and feral/ lawless elements, and tolerant attitudes toward crime. And there IS an element of personal responsibility for many of the social problems, IMO, that many are unable, or unwilling to ever admit.
 
  • #988
With four shots to MB's right arm first it does not appear DW was trying to kill MB. If MB bent over to grab his stomach as reported it is possible the last two shots fired from the officer's gun were aimed in the same area as the arm but when MB bent over the shots landed in his eye and the top of his head as he falling forward. At least this is what we are hearing so far from witnesses but we really need some type of statement so everyone understands exactly why MB ended up with head wounds. jmo

This is why this is so compelling to me:

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Even DJ would have to admit that the actual shooting only took seconds....and the possibility that MB wasn't disabled by the first 4.

That fact coupled with this type of imagery diminishes the "he was shot six times there fore it's unjustified period" argument for me.
 
  • #989
In Greer SC, yesterday it was reported that a man, stopped for not wearing a seatbelt (I believe a $25 fine) jumped out of his car, the officer told him to get back in, and he goes nuts, screaming 'go ahead, shoot me like MB'. Luckily, the officer had called for backup, and it was all recorded on his dash-cam.

http://www.wspa.com/story/26318726/greer-man-tells-police-to-shoot-him-down-like-michael-brown

Maybe its going nationwide????

Oh, I left out the best part, his 4-5 yr old child was in the car!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #990
A must read.


An Open Letter to Captain Ronald S. Johnson

From a former St. Louis Metro Area police chief



Chief Ed Delmore | Sunday, August 17, 2014


I have to call you out.

I don’t care what the media says. I expect them to get it wrong and they often do. But I expect you as a veteran law enforcement commander—talking about law enforcement—to get it right.


Unfortunately, you blew it. After days of rioting and looting, last Thursday you were given command of all law enforcement operations in Ferguson by Governor Jay Nixon. St. Louis County PD was out, you were in. You played to the cameras, walked with the protestors and promised a kinder, gentler response. You were a media darling. And Thursday night things were better, much better.



AL police chief writes blistering open letter to Ferguson commander


http://www.wsfa.com/story/26317500/...-blistering-open-letter-to-ferguson-commander





 
  • #991
Are we allowed to post the facebook page to show support for Officer Wilson? The mods are deleting any negative commenting there.


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  • #992
Just proof that the truth doesn't matter at this point. I heard practically the same thing said from people interviewed last night on the Megyn Kelly show and Hannity. Hannity was all over someone saying "but you weren't there, how do you know that's how it happened" the attitude was pretty much we do know what happened and DW is guilty. It's astounding how many don't actually want to hear/believe any other version.

That's why IMO it doesn't matter that the police didn't release DWs side because it wouldn't have even mattered. Those who don't want to be open to the truth, would've believed it be lies like they do now.
It's clear when the story has evolved, they admit to some of the wrong by MB but it it still doesn't matter in their eyes. Like it's no biggie he robbed a store 10mins prior and assaulted an officer. It's truly mind boggling.

The female guest on Hannity was a City Council woman (yikes!). I'm still scratching my head at her statement that being punched in the face like Wilson was does not equal being shot six times like Brown was---- so it was unjust.
 
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  • #994
I hope you realize that my comment was made in a "wishful thinking" sort of way, borne out of frustration with this situation, and the article I also posted with the comment, where residents state that the white police officers in Ferguson are on a power trip.

If the black residents of Ferguson have such a problem with the white officers, wouldn't it be an ideal world if all of their police force were black, so that the whole "it's a race thing!" would be a moot point, and we wouldn't be debating it, here on WS.

It was a "tongue-in-cheek" comment. I'm sorry you didn't understand that.

As to why there aren't more black officers, that's an excellent question, and I don't have the answer.

Police Chief Thomas Jackson said there have been obstacles in the way of recruiting a more diverse department.

“It’s been issues like pay and just the job pool,” he said. “Everybody is competing for good quality police officers of all races. We just need to continue to make ourselves more competitive.”

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_678334ce-500a-5689-8658-f548207cf253.html
 
  • #995
[h=1]MO Lt. Gov. Kinder: Nixon’s ‘Vigorous Prosecution’ Statement Is Wrong[/h]
“The heated rhetoric about demanding an indictment, about demanding a vigorous prosecution is frankly disgraceful. It is not helpful. I am not gonna make that decision. Gov. Nixon is not gonna make that decision. The prosecutor is in place, the people have elected him to do that. He is proceeding to take it to a grand jury in the proper legal process.”
Hear more above.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/1...ixon’s-‘vigorous-prosecution’-statement-wrong
 
  • #996
Chris Matthews on MSMBC just asked renown Harvard professor Charles Ogleetree how do you know MB had his hands up. Answer, I saw it on televsion many times since the start + one shot to the back of the head. Matthews looked shocked & said he wouldn't make up his mind untill all the evidence is in.
 
  • #997
Police Chief Thomas Jackson said there have been obstacles in the way of recruiting a more diverse department.

“It’s been issues like pay and just the job pool,” he said. “Everybody is competing for good quality police officers of all races. We just need to continue to make ourselves more competitive.”

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_678334ce-500a-5689-8658-f548207cf253.html

"Deidre Spottsville, 37, said she moves her bed closer to the window at night in her Northwinds apartment near W. Florissant in Ferguson on Thursday, Aug. 14, 2014. She said when the shooting starts at night, she wants to be able to get the mattress against the window quickly. The Canfield Green apartment complex where Michael Brown was killed is just around the corner. "

Something prevents people like Ms. Spottsville from moving to a safer area though, and I don't understand what the reasons are.
 
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  • #999
Wasn't it reported that the officer said "freeze"? Someone, anyone who had just been assaulted having their assailant coming back at them would assume that person was going to assault them again. Ask any victim of domestic violence. That is if MB was, in fact, headed back towards the officer and taunting him.

During an investigation LE does not disclose information that is still considered ongoing. The demonstrating is controlled by the people themselves who are demonstrating not by what information is being released, or not released. People have the right to know the truth but investigations take time if it's the truth they are really after. Unfortunately in todays world everyone wants today's information yesterday. jmo

Excellent post LambChop. Thank you.
 
  • #1,000
Music break....


http://youtu.be/7xxgRUyzgs0


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Love it! I never saw the video before. We didn't have cable. But I had the album (on vinyl). Probably one of the last albums I bought on vinyl. Listen to "Funny Vibe", that applies to this situation too.
 
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