MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[Linda7NJ]

St. Louis area? Three words: Veiled Prophet Ball.

Huh? Please explain so I don't hav to google!

So happy your back!!!! ((((Hugs))))


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[Irish_Eyes]

:chillout:

Let's take a deep breath here everyone.....we don't want to incur the wrath of the Mod gods. love you: we love you mods!)

So anyway, for the last few nights my thoughts have kept coming back to a musical I once saw on the Broadway tour circuit. No, I'm not making that up. It didn't have a super long run, but if you love or can at least tolerate musicals, please, please find a way to watch it. I went and rewatched a whole college production of it on You Tube, which without all the bells and whistles of a pro show was still quite good. The first twenty minutes or so are expositional and I remember at the beginning feeling kind of like "meh." The lead character is - intentionally - not all that likable to start with. But pretty soon you'll be riveted - and stunned to see how relevant this true story from 1915 is to Ferguson today.

For those not so musically inclined, you can Google the story of Leo Frank if you don't already know it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

He hasn't posted it yet.

Lol that would explain why I can't find it!




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[Lovejac]

The ONLY person that said the cop first said " get out of the effin street' is Dorian, and he has been proven to be an unreliable witness, imo. I think it is more likely that the initial words from this officer were rather polite, as he drove on past the teens. It was only when they ignored/defied him, that he backed up the car, and asked again. At that point he was less polite, I am sure.

Yep and Dorian was the one who said he saw MB get shot in his back...............
So, there's that.
Oh, and Dorian said he had just caught up with MB and started walking with him 20 minutes before this happened......
So there's that, too.

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f9904f19-dba5-58b4-ac4b-56b9bda29646.html ... earlier article on Baden's findings with this interesting nugget:

"the autopsy conducted by St. Louis County’s medical examiner, Dr. Mary Case. Her office, so far, has said only that Brown died of gunshots to the head and chest

Wait. What? Chest? :waitasec:

 

[mdana]

Something else that has been 'niggling' at me. Early on, Dorian admitted that he ran home, then returned to the scene. Why go home? I would speculate that he wanted to rid himself of something, like maybe some weed or whatever?

If so, that would give even more motive for the attack. They would want to get away so they could dump the drugs before they were searched. Especially if either were on probation.

He just went throughg a traumatic incident. What is the right protocol for watching a friend/acquaintance being brutally shot dead? Where is the link so I can familarize myself in the future on how to react the next time I am in a car crash or something, so I won't be accused of doing something criminal.

This is the problem sometimes with people sleuthing on the web. We have no idea what is "normal" and jump to conclusions to fit a preconceived destination. Let the evidence come to you and go from there. Don't try to force things, because it fits a scenario you favor at the moment. It will only create a circular loop of faulty deductions leading one astray from the facts and truth.

MOO

 

[popsicle]

Where can we see or hear the interview?


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Here he is addressing the City Council on how to fix Ferguson.
[video=youtube;fs1L8HTY_7o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1L8HTY_7o[/video]
https://twitter.com/jrosenbaum/status/501938290107224064

 

[TheDuchess]

Yep and Dorian was the one who said he saw MB get shot in his back...............
So, there's that.
Oh, and Dorian said he had just caught up with MB and started walking with him 20 minutes before this happened......
So there's that, too.

Yeah....Dorian said a lot of things....that little >>>>> started this WHOLE thing!!! Hands up...don't shoot....yup...that's Dorian

 

[LambChop]

Thanks to K_Z for posting this during the pervious thread. I am shocked that Nancy Grace and Shepard Smith's staff have not uncovered this info.


K_Z
K_Z Verified Anesthetist


Shawn Parcells, man of many invented credentials. A legend in his own mind.

Regarding Shawn Parcells, the "assistant" to the eminent Dr. Baden, who conducted the private family second autopsy of MB.

Decide for yourself how much weight to give to his "work" and his "professional opinions." I can't link ALL the professional blog comments about him lol! I might ask a mod if those sites can be linked, but there is enough on the authorized sites to keep one busy reading for a while. I understand why the Brown family attorneys contracted his business, but I'm baffled why anyone keeps giving this man a microphone to talk. (Oh. Wait. Maybe I'm not baffled at all, lol!) Incidentally, Shwan Parcells also has a ministry business, Shawn Parcells Ministries. (Can't link all the blogs there either.)

Apparently, there is a lot of $$ to be made in the "private autopsy" business. Average price is $3000 cash. Nice WSJ article on same. Lots of outsourcing from counties and municipalities to private companies-- largely unregulated. That seems to be a bit of a problem to me for criminal cases, or insurance cases, etc.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...6a176ea4d.html

http://cjonline.com/news/2011-10-25/...rovide-options

http://www.linkedin.com/company/parc...athology-group

http://www.macon.com/2011/09/30/1725...-to-death.html

Shawn L. Parcells, a forensic pathologist assistant and founder of Parcells Forensic Pathology Group, testified an underlying infection likely led to disseminated intravascular coagulation.
Read more here: http://www.macon.com/2011/09/30/1725...#storylink=cpy

http://www.newspressnow.com/life/art....html?mode=jqm

By transporting the body from the funeral home to the morgue in his black SUV and bringing along his own autopsy tools, he saves coroners both time and money.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...50622802772994

http://www.nationalautopsyservices.com/

Lol-- here is a RECENT article that refers to him as "Professor Shawn Parcells!" His sum total of "professor" experience was ONE DAY of shadowing. He has no degree higher than a bachelor's degree. (Lol-- not even university "faculty", contract or affiliate, would try that stunt! Talk about credential inflation, whoooweee!) But WAIT!! Now he's an "instrumental participant". Or is he a Professor? Which is it? Getting whiplash here from all the fake credentials flying around!

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local...aden/14233029/

Professor Shawn Parcells, an instrumental participant in the autopsy evaluation, said Brown could have survived five of the wounds, but one, which hit the apex of his head, went through is brain and was not survivable.
You know, sometimes one just has to stop looking. There is just too much out there about this man's invented credentials for me to give a single instant of respect to anything he has to say clinically. He needs desperately to STFU, IMO. Or the media need to get a REAL "google clue" about this man!

None of these links are any good. Most have error messages.

 

[Phoebeb]

I have been searching all over the internet for a diagram of the scene because I want to picture the layout and distances, etc. I think so far that MB fell with his head toward the police car and toward the entrance to the neighborhood on Florrisant. There are so many police vehicles on the street in the photos after the shooting, I can't get it straight in my head where and how the DW's car was in relation to MB's body, although I believe the car was closer to Florrisant than MB's body was from looking at the aftermath videos.

Please post if anyone finds a diagram! Thanks!

(I'd like to see the main witnesses' vantage points and positions in relation to the shooting on a diagram too- I'm sure eventually someone will do a drawing with all that info)

How far away was Wilson when he shot? I've not seen a diagram of the scene.

 

[katydid23]

He just went throughg a traumatic incident. What is the right protocol for watching a friend/acquaintance being brutally shot dead? Where is the link so I can familarize myself in the future on how to react the next time I am in a car crash or something, so I won't be accused of doing something criminal.

This is the problem sometimes with people sleuthing on the web. We have no idea what is "normal" and jump to conclusions to fit a preconceived destination. Let the evidence come to you and go from there. Don't try to force things, because it fits a scenario you favor at the moment. It will only create a circular loop of faulty deductions leading one astray from the facts and truth.

MOO

This is a crime discussion forum. So I am going to speculate about POSSIBLE criminal actions. Thats what this board is all about. Some are speculating that the officer murdered this teen in cold blood. That is their right to do so. And I am speculating that there MIGHT be more to it, possibly.

WHY was there a struggle at the officers car? That is what prompted MY SPECULATION that DJ might have had something to hide. The cigarillos were stolen for a specific reason. I used to work at a high school in South Central LA. I am not a dummy when it comes to blunt wraps. lol

I don't think it is that far of a jump to wonder if someone left the scene of a crime to dispose of something incriminating. jmo

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Please forgive me if this has been discussed. Also, I forgot who posted this link earlier. Has this been discussed in the last few hours.
ABC 17 News looked into Johnson's past and found out he has also been charged with filing a false police report in the same year.

http://www.abc17news.com/news/key-witness-in-ferguson-wanted-in-jefferson-city/27624066

 

[CARIIS]

You guys would not believe .. a 5'4 kid would walk in for first session and you open his/her chart and the rap sheet is like 2 pages and the list was not taking a pack of chewing gum


More.....
let one of his officers teach a 13-week class to students about gang violence.

Violence in the troubled Normandy School District in North County has gotten so out of hand that teachers are finding themselves under attack from students. One teacher told FOX 2 of being pepper sprayed by a student when she tried and stop a fight

Bullying is another major concern...I would think lunging is a form of bullying !

incidents since last July. There were 182 of them including fights, bullying , assaults on staff and sexual assaults.

In another context this is sad, keeps people down and feeling hopeless

http://fox2now.com/2013/04/25/you-paid-for-it-violence-in-the-normandy-school-district/

For police, Normandy Middle School is a problem property. They responded there as many as four times a day last year to handle issues such as guards assaulting students, a teacher assaulting a student, a parent assaulting an administrator and students assaulting one another.

Lordy...........................school security officer gave a 12-year-old student a concussion after throwing him against a locker, a substitute teacher threatened a student with a knife, and a parent struck the district’s head of security with his car, according to court documents outlining criminal charges against each.

One guard, an off-duty Wellston officer, has been charged with a sex crime against a student. And two federal lawsuits accuse guards of assaulting students in separate incidents

.sounds like correctioial officers in jails and setetnion centersIMO

We had fights and drug issues

The district spent about $1.1 million on security guards during the 2011-12 school year,

, principals and teachers had threatened to beat up students.

On May 3, Sullivan was escorting about eight students to in-school suspension when he gave a 12-year-old student a concussion, according to court documents.

police of people working as guards, even if they are police officers.

Normandy police learned of the incident the next day, when the child’s grandmother called to demand an investigation. She had taken her grandson to a hospital the night before, police said, and doctors discovered the concussion.

Three Normandy police officers watched surveillance video of the incident. The officers said the boy and another student had fought but parted before the 5-foot-9, 300-pound Sullivan reached them. He slammed both of them against the lockers, and the 12-year-old hit his head while falling after the impact, according to the officers’ statements.

Days later, Normandy police tried to retrieve a copy of the video, but it had been erased. They said the school security director told them he erased it by accident while trying to save it. Detectives turned to experts who said it was not recoverable.



NORMANDY HIGH
Police calls also are frequent at the high school, in Wellston.

On Sept. 3, 2010, a ninth-grader was calling fellow football players to the field when security officer John Clay “grabbed him around the neck, began throttling him while shouting obscenities before pushing him to the ground


“He has congestive heart failure, and he’s only 19,” Herman said. “He can’t walk a block. He’s been in and out of the hospital. His quality of life is that of an average 87-year-old.”

Herman said Walls is still working as a guard at the high school.



On Oct. 30, Ronald Freeman, 27, an off-duty Wellston police officer who worked security at the high school, was charged with a sex crime after county police detectives investigated a 20-year-old high school student’s allegation that he forcibly sodomized her off campus.

NORMANDY MIDDLE
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From August through December, Normandy police responded to the middle school more than 60 times for an array of problems including assaults, suicide attempts, bomb threats, stealing and trespassing, according to department data.



“I had just started to see the gap closing when young men would come to me for advice and their parents would ask d.

On Nov. 7, Stanley Covington, 64, a substitute math teacher, put a knife to the chest of a middle school student, according to court documents. The incident happened in the morning. Hours passed before Normandy police were notified. Covington has since been charged with unlawful use of a weapon.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_49a1b882-cd74-5cc4-8096-fcb1405d8380.html

 

[Lovejac]

http://ryanschuessler.com/2014/08/21/i-will-not-be-returning-to-ferguson/


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Powerful

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here he is addressing the City Council on how to fix Ferguson.
[video=youtube;fs1L8HTY_7o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1L8HTY_7o[/video]
https://twitter.com/jrosenbaum/status/501938290107224064

Deleted, due modsnipe changing meaning of post.


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[popsicle]

[h=1]Death of Michael Brown could potentially be subject of four lawsuits[/h]
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/21/death-of-michael-brown-could-potentially-be-subject-of-four-lawsuits/

It's a video

 

[popsicle]

I have been searching all over the internet for a diagram of the scene because I want to picture the layout and distances, etc. I think so far that MB fell with his head toward the police car and toward the entrance to the neighborhood on Florrisant. There are so many police vehicles on the street in the photos after the shooting, I can't get it straight in my head where and how the DW's car was in relation to MB's body, although I believe the car was closer to Florrisant than MB's body was from looking at the aftermath videos.

Please post if anyone finds a diagram! Thanks!

(I'd like to see the main witnesses' vantage points and positions in relation to the shooting on a diagram too- I'm sure eventually someone will do a drawing with all that info)

Watch the short video at this link, it has some good views etc. imo

http://t.co/7bH6EiThRu

 

[mdana]

I took it as taking away from the pain and grief of other parents who have lost a child, when saying 10x worse...I don't see it as cruel...I guess everyone reads it different.

I think it was about the way he died and after all the autopsies he must be cut up really bad. Having seen bodies in the ER and ICU there is huge variation in what a corpse looks like. Not sure why this is so outrageous, other than the wrong person might have said it.

 

[krimekat]

So 2 "sources" stating opposite "facts" go figure

and on NG? please . . . facts will come out in due time & CNN will not have the scoop

 

[katydid23]

I think it was about the way he died and after all the autopsies he must be cut up really bad. Having seen bodies in the ER and ICU there is huge variation in what a corpse looks like. Not sure why this is so outrageous, other than the wrong person might have said it.

I was just pointing out that it was insensitive, imo, for the attorney to say her experience would be 10x worse than any other grieving parent. EVERY single parent that views a child in the morgue is having a horrendous gut wrenching experience, EVERY SINGLE ONE. I think it is wrong for this attorney to try and say any different. jmo