MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[SStarr33]

Fair enough... I am speaking from experience as a health care practitioner who has had to treat these injuries numerous times... To ME it did not look whatsoever like Wilson had suffered that type of injury.

And it appears I was correct.

Maybe his injury was similar to Linda's sons' injury.

 

[krimekat]

BBM
Because Wilson looks to me like he is pacing back and forth trying to figure out what the hell just happened, if he had sustained a blowout fracture his face would be covered in blood and he would be on his hands and knees in pain and would stay in extreme pain until he got to hospital and was administered strong pain meds

well, this may be OT but Taylor Armstrong from RHBH also had a "blowout optical fracture" & the pics she Twi/atted had no blood or cuts. Just MOO but again, not all the facts are available & denying this officer due process is unconstitutional.

 

[popsicle]

What is this?

but the question could also be "did Wilson follow proper procedures, did he warn MB to back off, did he tell him to get on his knees with hands over his head... There are a lot of possibilities that could have made this an unjust killing that many folks are forgetting or ignoring.

None of that would make it unjustified. The State statutes are below. HTH
Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 563
Defense of Justification
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

 

[CoolJ]

An arm that looks like a back? Those body parts don't appear similar to me.

You can see that?

I just can't see it

For sure, if you see someone get shot on the back of the body, I am sure you don't know exactly where the bullet entered so you just assume it went into the back. The point is, this witness is saying he was shot while walking AWAY from the officer. And then turned around and was fed with another 5 or so bullets...

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I am pretty sure the witness in the video taken at the scene that morning before the roadshow came to town did actually describe him running , then doubling back and charging at the officer. He didn't know the kid, he didn't know the officer, he was just telling his friends or neighbors what he just witnessed, and he may not have even realized that his friend's phone was picking up his conversation. He's not a witness that I would think would have any special reason to try and cover for the police - he was just a guy living in the complex. Some of the other witnesses have said they moved to a different window, or pulled their car over, or reached for their cell phones, or hid behind vehicles, or ran downstairs for a better look, etc., etc. This witness doesn't say he did any of those things, although he could have. I guess it's just hard for me given all that to try to say why this first-person eyewitness account would not be credible.

ETA: I was trying to quote someone. Haven't totally got the new forum down yet...apologies.

 

[Jewels53]

he has also been charged with filing a false police report

http://www.abc17news.com/news/key-witness-in-ferguson-wanted-in-jefferson-city/27624066

NOT this incident but another one in JC

There goes his Credibility! imo

 

[Lovejac]

Maybe MB was a .. Maybe it is his fault he was shot... What I am saying is there are many possibilities and it sure as he'll is not out of the question or unprecedented that a cop was the over aggressive instigator...
And Dorian said the door hit them and bounced back at Wilson.. At no point did he or any eye witness say MB attacked the cop.... These are all just assumptions

Will one of our members please link the admission by the Brown's attorney for CoolJ.

I'm posting from my phone and can't link.

 

[JLSChook]

Assaulting a cop and trying to take his gun are both assumptions.....

No, they're not assumptions. I hope you finally read my post with quotes from LE and not some "anonymous source" or CNN. Lol

Again, I believe LE.

 

[CoolJ]

so very telling IMHO what's important to whom . . .

more statistics I live & work here (well, in the shadow of the AB Brewery 15 miles away from ground zero) and we/dart team don't even discuss it. We did at 1st but then once facts started coming out, we skirt the issue.

This sounds reasonable but in reality I would say 99.999999% don't know enough to say whether this shooting was warranted. Including ME.

 

[Gardenlady]

So should Officer Wilson be sacrificed as a scapegoat to make everyone feel better?

No one said that. But personalky, no matter what the law says regarding use of force, I don't think any unarmed suspect bee has to be gunned down in order to be taken into custody. Period.

But to the larger point - What *I* would like ( I won't speak for others) is for people to realize that the issue being protested is NOT just MB. And that it is a legitimate, historical, and unaddressed issue in many places. I said some nights ago that some jurisdictions have gone a long way in recent years to restructure themselves, investigate themselves, to root out systemic corruption and bias. Those places that have not done so MUST do so. Or this side will keep happening.

For those who have been saying how tired hey are of hearing about racial issues - maybe this is the way to stop hearing about it. Listen to what your fellow human beings are telling you; acknowledge - don't dismiss- their experiences, and join in helping make things better.


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[Lovejac]

he has also been charged with filing a false police report

http://www.abc17news.com/news/key-witness-in-ferguson-wanted-in-jefferson-city/27624066

NOT this incident but another one in JC

So the key witness has a past history of lying and stealing.

And here I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he didn't want MB to steal those cigars *sigh*

 

[SStarr33]

I am pretty sure the witness in the video taken at the scene that morning before the roadshow came to town did actually describe him running , then doubling back and charging at the officer. He didn't know the kid, he didn't know the officer, he was just telling his friends or neighbors what he just witnessed, and he may not have even realized that his friend's phone was picking up his conversation. He's not a witness that I would think would have any special reason to try and cover for the police - he was just a guy living in the complex. Some of the other witnesses have said they moved to a different window, or pulled their car over, or reached for their cell phones, or hid behind vehicles, or ran downstairs for a better look, etc., etc. This witness doesn't say he did any of those things, although he could have. I guess it's just hard for me given all that to try to say why this first-person eyewitness account would not be credible.

ETA: I was trying to quote someone. Haven't totally got the new forum down yet...apologies.

He is the most credible witness out of all of them. His story is pure as the driven snow.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Fair enough... I am speaking from experience as a health care practitioner who has had to treat these injuries numerous times... To ME it did not look whatsoever like Wilson had suffered that type of injury.

And it appears I was correct.

Are you verified?




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[CoolJ]

Dude, why would MB be in contact with OW to begin with. Your thoughts please

A reasonable explanation would be that Wilson called him over to his window...... But that's just speculation... I have no idea, maybe he went over there to smash the cops head in..... My point is that we do not know, and there is no evidence showing me a definitive answer. The eye witness reports don't make it sound so good for the officer right now but hopefully the FBI is going to complete an unprejudiced investigation and be able to give us the most likely scenario after they speak to all witnesses

 

[Lovejac]

If all you know is being hassled by police - especially if you are perceived as being the wrong color for a neighborhood - how is it bias to avoid that?

I will be very upfront and say I have NEVER had a pleasant run in with police until very recently. And I am one of the lighter skinned people in my family. And a woman. But in my 41 (ack) years, the vast majority of interactions have been with rude, arrogant, and needlessly antagonistic cops. I won't even get into that crap I've seen males have to deal with. Awful. When someone can have their head slammed into a cruiser hood repeatedly until they are bloody, and then be charged with "resising arrest", all because they said "what'd I do?!", when the cops can speak to you like you're a piece of dirt an question your presence because they think you don't fit in the neighborhood profile... Just for two examples... Something has to change.


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I'm so sorry you've ever been treated like that :blowkiss: It is wrong and unacceptable.

 

[CoolJ]

Actually, they are both admissions.

By the Brown's attorney.

It would benefit you to read yesterday's posts. I would link for you but I'm on my phone and can't

Ok when you get a chance show me the link where they said MB assaulted Wilson and tried to take his gun. That will go a long way helping me decide what happened

 

[K_Z]

More people need to read and re-read Gardenlady's post. No matter what you think of MB, society needs to understand that this happens and happens often. This is what the protests are about not this particular shooting...... I highly encourage everyone to give this a few minutes thought, especially if you haven't been subjected to it... Imagine what it must feel like... Just imagine it..

I have considered it. I spent time in the middle east in several countries, and when I was in civilian clothes out in public, I was harassed just for being a white woman in their country. I had a mutawa (religious sort of police) switch my ankles once when confronting me, as I was coming out of a Safeway grocery store. I have stories I could tell, too.

And if I found myself in an environment here in the U.S. where I felt harassed by officials and LE, I'd examine my own behavior and lifestyle, and seek out a different environment to live in and work in. I don't think the harassment some feel is because of the color of their skin, but more a result of their own behavior and attitude. That's just me, and I've lived and worked in many states and quite a few countries. I don't paint every LE officer with a broad brush of distrust. There are a few bad ones that should be weeded out, but the overwhelming majority are doing an incredibly difficult job in very dangerous environments, and for not much money or respect.

Frankly, I don't begin to understand why LE officers even want to work in some of these incredibly dangerous places where a good chunk of the population want to kill them for thrills and initiations, and every shift they work is one crime after another, trying to come home to their families in one piece alive. Thank god they do want to try to make these places safer-- I almost think of them as missionaries trying to change hearts and minds while doing what they can (precious little, much of the time) to try to keep the peace.

 

[Gardenlady]

Good grief, I wish to offer a general apology for the typos in all my posts. Too many to edit now lol. I am still posting from just my phone and my poor fingers are too clumsy!

So embarrassing! :help:


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[Wysteria]

Has anyone questioned why these witness to the incident are not sobbing and or crying, or displaying any sort of grief at all?

I believe that this was a justified shooting.

I cannot understand why the witness are not crying nor do they appear to be in shock.
Had I witnessed something like this I would be an emotional wreck.

I think that these witnesses had an agenda from the get go, and not a good agenda. It's already been established that these witnesses have told untruths (refer to links all over this forum). Additionally, we know that MB's sidekick has been in trouble with LE in the past.

A man is lying in the street dead and a witness goes home first and then comes back out? How can that be?

 

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