MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[ATasteOfHoney]

I think the overall majority of protesters are asking for justice. Although they may believe justice means Wilson convicted.
Why do you think there are so many that hold this conviction, yet here on Websleuths it seems we are getting the exact opposite reaction? I don't know the answer to that, I am asking because I really would like to know peoples opinions why.

We'll, for one thing....it seems that there is a racial difference in what is considered an acceptable interaction with police (from the posts here on WS).

I've read a lot of support for the officer from commenters under news articles in MSM & social media. I also sense that the silent majority is getting angry, frustrated, & pis*ed off at the whole thing which is a tad scary.

Moo

 

[Observer in AZ]

I still believe per my previous text this whole situation had been hijacked by those with agendas unfortunately I don't believe it'll change much when media leaves town those interviewing all over as local representatives or claiming to bring to national attention in 6 months won't probably recognize MB parents if they saw them at the store. Jmo

 

[K_Z]

I worked in South Central LA for 10 yrs with At Risk kids tutoring program. I am not at all surprised that there is an exact opposite reaction between different world views.
For example, when I worked in the suburb that I lived in, with kids that needed help graduating, the parents tended to 'trust' me and accept that I told the truth about their kids missing school work, needing to make up tests, and not doing term papers. They would assume I was just a tutor attempting to help their kids graduate.

When I began working in the much more urban environment in south central, it was totally different attitude. I was often seen as 'the enemy' who was trying to prevent the kids from graduating. If I said there was a missing term paper, I would often be accused of taking the paper and throwing it away. There was a complete distrust of 'authority' and I was apparently authority, even though I wasn't at all. I was supposed to be a HELPER in a free program designed to aid kids at risk of not graduating. But the general attitude was so different to what I had been used to before.

I am sure there is a reason for the mistrust. But it might also be a vicious loop. The mistrust breeds mistrust and vice versa. IDK

I've seen many examples of what you're describing. IMO, the difference is whether the person/ family embraces and has a strong sense of personal responsibility, and personal morality/ ethics.

Those individuals who eschew personal responsibility, regardless of race or ethnicity, or socioeconomic status, always blame external forces for their situation. No matter what, nothing is EVER their fault, especially if it somehow negatively impacts them. Everything negative happen "to" them, because someone is "harassing" them, or picking on them, or trying to hold them back. I really think this is the root of a lot of problems in poor neighborhoods-- the incessant need to externalize blame becomes a way to "save face" when they are in a position to be criticized, even when the external blame is ridiculous and unbelievable. IMO, the problems of the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods are the same no matter what the race or ethnicity, and the fixes are the same, too. And a large part of the fix is embracing a different mindset about personal responsibility, civic mindedness, morality, honesty, and ethics. IMO.

I have a BIL who has been fired from numerous jobs. To hear him tell it, it's never his fault, he never has any responsibility for any part in any of the situations (even when he misses work without notice, is frequently late, etc.) He believes he is always singled out for harassment, at every job he has ever had-- "the boss" has it out for him, and that's why he can never get ahead, or get beyond an entry level job. He views himself as Prince Charming, and everyone in any authority position is out to get him, they are jealous of him, they are worried he will rise in the ranks and take their jobs eventually, etc. He believes he is doing "them" a "favor" by agreeing to take a job he doesn't really want, etc. Mmmm hmmmm..right.

 

[momrids6]

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Members of the Outcasts Motorcycle Club walking up and down. They said they came to keep the peace. #Ferguson
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That was a suggestion here

 

[TheDuchess]

I have not made up my mind on guilt or innocence. I have not defended DW or demonized MB. That said, I feel DW has been treated unfairly in the media & I can understand posters venting their anger on WS.

Placing "fault" is NOT demonizing anyone. I firmly believe that MB's actions on that day lead to his tragic and untimely and SENSELESS death. It is sad. He graduated high school and was about to start college. One can only wonder what his life could have turned into if only he had the chance. We will not know what truly caused him to take the actions he took that day and make the choices he made - any more than we can ever answer why Robin Williams committed suicide. Sometimes, events take place that lead to something tragic and we cannot go back - I would be willing to bet that everyone in this case wishes they could do it all over again.

I feel for his parents. I cannot imagine the heartbreak of losing a child. I will say nothing about them, their intentions or their feelings. I just can't imagine their grief.

I think that EVERYONE can agree that this is a tragedy.

 

[HastingsChi]

That's kind of funny since yesterday there was also a source saying there was a broken eye socket. I wonder if Gateway Pundit retracted what their source said yesterday. I checked earlier and they had not.

It's important to remember that both the report on CNN and the report by Gateway Pundit are based on a single source (different sources of course). Both media outlets are irresponsible for reporting the information without double sourcing their information. Both media outlets have violated the most basic principles of journalism.

 

[DebinGA]

Based on today's meager "National Day of Rage" turnout, a discourse on race centered around what happened to MB in Ferguson, MO does not seem to be a burning issue for most Americans. http://www.decaturish.com/2014/08/rage-remains-seen/

 

[Linda7NJ]

People want young black heroes to hold up as pillars of the community? How about these boys??? Love love love love LOVE these boys!!!
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/26342649/chicagoans-gather-to-cheer-on-their-llws-heroes

I hate hero worship.

I say be a hero to your own children and look out for other people children. Be a stand up father, brother, cousin, uncle....mother, aunt, grandmother etc.... Little ones are looking up at YOU!


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[Ms Suzanne]

Going to bed, pain is too intense, hoping for calm nights and cool heads to prevail. Night all

I hope you feel better soon.

 

[SStarr33]

I hate that they are calling for the DA to step down. The state senator started that. The man can't be ousted from his job because his father was killed by a black man in 1964. That is not fair. imo

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I bet the state senator got her marching orders from Crump and Parks.

 

[bettybaby00]

Fox is still reporting it as an orbital fracture, as of a half hour ago. Fox also had several captions where they stated Officer Wilson was "severely beaten", and "beaten nearly unconscious". Hannity, about half hour ago. (Sorry-- no screen caps, but I think it will be available either on youtube or in archives.)

Yea I'm waiting for the vid to go up...

What I found interesting, was that all the while he was interviewing parks and ticking off all the reasons Wilson could be found justified in the shooting, Parks had basically nothing to say...like literally nothing.


And oh man, when hannity said, "but your witness said he was shot in the back, and the autopsy disproves that," Parks replied, "well maybe he was a bad shot" :facepalm:

 

[Phoebeb]

Van Jones making political points, Larry Elder knows the law and procedure to justice. imo

Wow Larry Elder vs Van Jones on CNN

 

[Linda7NJ]

I can't stand how they're comparing this case to Zimmerman.




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[CARIIS]

oh my god that would be an impossiblity IMO yeh he can make bullets go past the person do a u a turn and come back int ---!

Yea I'm waiting for the vid to go up...

What I found interesting, was that all the while he was interviewing parks and ticking off all the reasons Wilson could be found justified in the shooting, Parks had basically nothing to say...like literally nothing.


And oh man, when hannity said, "but your witness said he was shot in the back, and the autopsy disproves that," Parks replied, "well maybe he was a bad shot" :facepalm:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thud....who is the woman on CNN? Why am I watching?


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[gngr~snap]

IMO we need to be careful of taking the notion that Le and the judicial system is the end all say all. We have to be honest with oursleves. It is not a justice system, nor one about guilt or innocne.

It is a legal system and there is a huge differnce - it is playing games taking pleas before any authentic even look at guilt or innocense

It is defense attornies that pretty daily , go to work knowing that they are playing legal games not a real cconcern about getting an innocent person off

it is much more about socio ecomic status about who gets more innocent conclsuions, better pleas.
It is big bussiness, with everyone real goal is to either clear the dockets or make room for another retainer by gently encouraging folks to plea out, becasue although they cant say for sure , most of the time the defendant gets the well the statue says it could be punished by 5 years in prison

It is riddled wiht curruption its like a football game the prosctor gets points for guilty regardless of the truth and the defense attorney score board is his bank account .

[h=2]DNA Exonerations Nationwide[/h][Print Version]
There have been 317 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 38 states; since 2000, there have been 250 exonerations.
• 18 of the 317 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.5 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,249.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
Races of the 317 exonerees:
199 African Americans
94 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php

A nationwide push by prosecutors and police to re-examine possible wrongful convictions contributed to a record number of exonerations in 2013, according to a report released Tuesday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/record-number-of-wrongful-convictions-overturned-in-2013/

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- About 10,000 people in the United States may be wrongfully convicted of serious crimes each year, a new study suggests.

he study also found that the most important factor leading to wrongful conviction is eyewitness misidentification.

Wrongful convictions undermine public confidence in the judicial system and should be viewed with alarm, said Huff

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm

Its about $$$$$$, sadly .

It's a good thing we can't buy new DNA ! (yet...[emoji51] )

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[Linda7NJ]

Governor Nixon won't remove prosecutor...per msnbc


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[bettybaby00]

For some reason I thought a member of LE reported Wilson had the blowout fracture.??

I believe it was "a source inside the investigation" or so etching along those lines.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Based on today's meager "National Day of Rage" turnout, a discourse on race centered around what happened to MB in Ferguson, MO does not seem to be a burning issue for most Americans. http://www.decaturish.com/2014/08/rage-remains-seen/

I have a close friend in Springfield Missouri ...I was talking to her today and asked for her thoughts...she's super community connected and knows lots of people...most aren't even talking about it other than to say, " did you see what's going on in ferguson, real mess"






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[Linda7NJ]

Yea I'm waiting for the vid to go up...

What I found interesting, was that all the while he was interviewing parks and ticking off all the reasons Wilson could be found justified in the shooting, Parks had basically nothing to say...like literally nothing.


And oh man, when hannity said, "but your witness said he was shot in the back, and the autopsy disproves that," Parks replied, "well maybe he was a bad shot" :facepalm:

I'd love to know where in his graduating class he graduated....
*i* could do a better job!!!!!


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