MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[AuburnTxTiger]

I will say that revolutionary_z is an instigator..

Reason to keep moving is late is when people congregated and give cover to instigators..

IMO this guy wants to stir things and has skewd view of world just saying?



Go capt Johnson!

I agree. I can't watch him. I miss Tim Pool @timcast from VICE news.

 

[Observer in AZ]

Kinda think this guy talking may have been guy in Street with do not enter sign

 

[Linda7NJ]

all moo
This is where it rises to a new level. I agree that a parent whose children are "white" doesn't have the history that a parent that is not white does.
So, I guess the level of fear isn't comparable. I know how I was raised. I was raised to respect authority period, maybe that wasn't really right. If I even get pulled over, I immediately panic (for real). I get dry mouth, can't think straight, start crying and shaking and look like I am guilty of something... I tell them I'm not trying to get out of a ticket, I have a police phobia. If a patrol car pulls up behind me in traffic, I get palpitations.
yep I am a loser!
Not the kids aroind here! If a cop pulls up thses little dudes are readt for a fight, none of them respect adults. They play "nice" around their parents to suck up only. Theyvwalk in the middle if the street. And they don't move for most people.
Unless you can one up them in the mind game department they are absolute nightmares. Luckily they are scared or my husband because he has never cowarded to them. He has snuck up behind them and layed on the horn, he video taped them scattering and said if they don't get out of the way from now on he will post it on TV and embarrass them...
Bully vs bullies I guess.

Anyway to my point... it's the "them" vs "us" mentality IMOO.
I saw it in thw kids in my neighborhood. Sweet guys/girls, that changed overnight. It was scary. I started doing research and I found that this occurs in many middle school aged kids. It happens when they are trying to assert their independence, which they should, but it goes haywire. They get this idea in their heads , as many of us did, how stupid adults are and that they know everything. Most grow out of it. Many in my area don't. I find it rediculous that 17, 18, 19 year old "children" are still in the same mind frame of 12 year olds.
In fact I was so concerned about my kids taking on the mass mentality that I pulled them out of middle school and tried to teach them to "do unto others"
I let them go back in high school and guess what?
The kids were doing the opposite. Treat people like crud, until they give you a reason not to. Many of these kids still haven't grown up, I don't get it. Guess what they are doing now! killing themselves!!! 21-26 years old, and they are dropping dead... everywhere. My son graduated in 2011. His class was about the same size as mine. I graduated in 85, My class has lost 8 graduates. My son has lost 22!!! That isn't counting about 16 friends from other classes that have died. They OD, on purpose, on accident, they get shot, they drown, they have single car wrecks... It really sucks.

Something happens to these kids around 6th grade, the "us" verses "them" mentality.
Kids vs grown ups. It not purple or green or yellow or black or white and around here it hasn't been for a long time.

These "kids" hate every d@mn person in authority period. End of story.

If there is a silver lining at all it's that everyone of them as far as I can tell is "colorblind"
and I want to be happy about that.
sigh... they need to stop dying!



All posts are MOO

Agreed, this is exactly why I pulled mine out to homeschool,

I never wanted an adviseal relationship with mine... Frankly, I don't think I could handle it!


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[K_Z]

Yes, I know this is Judy Melinek, but just to show how open minded I am (lol!), I will say that this is a very good description of the limitations of second, and subsequent autopsies. I was composing a post about second autopsies when this was conveniently posted less than an hour ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html

What you can tell from a second or third autopsy is limited by autopsy artifact -- changes to the evidence caused by the performance of the first autopsy.

In the course of the first, legally mandated autopsy, the forensic pathologist will have taken the organs out and sliced them apart for examination. The gunshot wounds will have been probed, and sometimes even cut into.

More importantly, any pathologist hired by the family, regardless of expertise, does not have access to the crime scene and other evidence. Even Baden, in the report he prepared for the Brown family, concluded that without the clothing, evidence or scene information, he had "too little information to forensically reconstruct the shooting."

Already the results of Baden's limited investigation are being used to support the contention that Brown was surrendering, and that the wounds were distant range, even though Baden himself said neither.

Now, this is my opinion, based on Attorney Crump's comments (which I'm still researching for the exact link, so take it as opinion till then).

The second autopsy info that the Brown family attorneys released stated that the second autopsy was completed after the official autopsy. And a subsequent comment references Dr. Baden arriving AFTER that second autopsy. It's my developing opinion that Dr. Baden himself didn't actually "do" the second autopsy-- that Shawn Parcells and his company arrived first and "reopened" the sutures from the first autopsy. I'm actually beginning to wonder if Dr. Baden ever gowned and gloved at all, or just looked at pictures, Skype/ face time, etc. He was willing to put his name on the autopsy, but I have strong suspicions that Shawn Parcells "did" whatever was "done" in autopsy #2. That's why Baden was so willing to waive his fee, and let Parcells go on the talk show circuit in his place. MOO. Speculation. Etc. That's why we heard so much of Parcells "speculating" about everything EXCEPT what Baden was willing to sign his name to. IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for the links I remember reading, and will quote my own post to add them when I find them.

 

[Observer in AZ]

I agree. I can't watch him. I miss Tim Pool @timcast from VICE news.

I miss Tim too he just showed what was happening not injecting himself into it

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks - and I didn't state what the link was for. This is O/T a bit, but I am so excited for Jackie Robinson West Little League who is going to the US Championship game at the Little League World Series. My son is friends with 3 of the boys and they are a great group of kids and families. They just so happen to all be black as well, so it just seems like such an opposite view of what we've been watching on TV. I hate even bringing it up, but you just can't escape it. So much negativity on one channel - kids being taught to walk around with hands up don't shoot, etc...perpetuating that white cops are running around murdering black kids and they aren't safe - juxtaposed with a great group of kids who are living life, chasing dreams and having fun....with the color of their skin meaning absolutely nothing.

I'm not much of a sports fan but seeing those little happy faces....and that beautiful little girl that can PITCH like no body's business! They're pretty darn amazing!


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[Observer in AZ]

I agree. I can't watch him. I miss Tim Pool @timcast from VICE news.

Ugh.. it's painful but I want to know what is being said.. how things are presented to understand.

 

[gramcracker]

Totally O/T but..

They do have a few easy on the eyes officers

ah, so, I get why you're known as Observer

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, I know this is Judy Melinek, but just to show how open minded I am (lol!), I will say that this is a very good description of the limitations of second, and subsequent autopsies. I was composing a post about second autopsies when this was conveniently posted less than an hour ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html





Now, this is my opinion, based on Attorney Crump's comments (which I'm still researching for the exact link, so take it as opinion till then).

The second autopsy info that the Brown family attorneys released stated that the second autopsy was completed after the official autopsy. And a subsequent comment references Dr. Baden arriving AFTER that second autopsy. It's my developing opinion that Dr. Baden himself didn't actually "do" the second autopsy-- that Shawn Parcells and his company arrived first and "reopened" the sutures from the first autopsy. I'm actually beginning to wonder if Dr. Baden ever gowned and gloved at all, or just looked at pictures, Skype/ face time, etc. He was willing to put his name on the autopsy, but I have strong suspicions that Shawn Parcells "did" whatever was "done" in autopsy #2. That's why Baden was so willing to waive his fee, and let Parcells go on the talk show circuit in his place. MOO. Speculation. Etc. That's why we heard so much of Parcells "speculating" about everything EXCEPT what Baden was willing to sign his name to. IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for the links I remember reading, and will quote my own post to add them when I find them.

If the above turns out to be the case.... I've seriously underestimated the legal team of the Browns.
That would have been a brilliant move.

IMO


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[Phoebeb]

Kinda think this guy talking may have been guy in Street with do not enter sign

If you removed a street sign, please replace the street sign....

 

[Observer in AZ]

I think who ever said folks need to know about procedures like why MB was in street for so long to collect evidence process scene because local is saying he was left there as lesson you can be next..

Oh so sad

 

[CoolJ]

cool j i think it maight be intesting to go to the first thread first post (not sur4e when you first started- i think you would see a slow shitft in the way it changed slowly as more and more info came out - just a notion--my sense is you beliieve it is slanted or not wanting more info

i for ne thougt way out of line because the intila presentaion over and ovre for days was fleeing
but autopsy does disprove that it is scientfic jmo

notion shared reseptfuly but it would be intersting to see your notions from the start just my notions

Basically I just think that there have been so many lies and exaggerations on both sides, and continues to be everyday up until today that there can be no conclusions made. I still believe the only thing we know for sure is that MB was unarmed and shot six times, everything else is just assumptions based off of conflicting eye witness reports and anonymous and "secret" sources all released to fit a certain narrative; again on both sides. It is almost as if each side is trying to one up the other in a back and forth game of propaganda slinging. There are a lot of lies being told and that worries me... It is almost as if the real truth is being hidden.
IMO

 

[Observer in AZ]

If you removed a street sign, please replace the street sign....

That is not the sidewalk the sidewalk is behind the light pole..


I love that guy!

 

[al66pine]

I have been searching all over the internet for a diagram of the scene because I want to picture the layout and distances, etc. I think so far that MB fell with his head toward the police car and toward the entrance to the neighborhood on Florrisant. There are so many police vehicles on the street in the photos after the shooting, I can't get it straight in my head where and how the DW's car was in relation to MB's body, although I believe the car was closer to Florrisant than MB's body was from looking at the aftermath videos.
Please post if anyone finds a diagram! Thanks!
(I'd like to see the main witnesses' vantage points and positions in relation to the shooting on a diagram too- I'm sure eventually someone will do a drawing with all that info)

. BBM

Once again, reading several hours behind, so, sorry if this has already bn discussed at length.
Re self-proclaimed 'witnesses'
Has MSM shown/recreated camera angles from where witnesses said they saw shooting?

For ex:
---IIRC, Piaget said she was on her balcony, went downstairs, etc. What does an 'objective camera' show that she could have seen?
Didn't she report early-on (first or second day?) that she turned her cell/camera over to LE?
---Ditto woman/Piaget's employer who was picking up Piaget (IIRC)?
---Michael Brady, in interview w cnn Cooper Anderson, ~ 1- 2 days ago -said he watched event from his bedroom,
then went outside? What could he have seen? Any MSM vid or still pix from his apt to shooting scene?

I would also like to see a diagram, re car location, MB body location, etc. Thx in adv.

 

[gramcracker]

^^^ interesting that you mention it, because sometime today on some network (yes, I am SO helpful) a film/camera expert broke down the measurements in the incident when the other man was recently shot/killed. according to him, the closest LEO was within 2.5 feet when he fired his weapon (showing how far the man advanced into LEO's "space" before being shot)

and that the LEOs violated protocol by allowing him to get so close to them before they acted

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Yes, I know this is Judy Melinek, but just to show how open minded I am (lol!), I will say that this is a very good description of the limitations of second, and subsequent autopsies. I was composing a post about second autopsies when this was conveniently posted less than an hour ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html





Now, this is my opinion, based on Attorney Crump's comments (which I'm still researching for the exact link, so take it as opinion till then).

The second autopsy info that the Brown family attorneys released stated that the second autopsy was completed after the official autopsy. And a subsequent comment references Dr. Baden arriving AFTER that second autopsy. It's my developing opinion that Dr. Baden himself didn't actually "do" the second autopsy-- that Shawn Parcells and his company arrived first and "reopened" the sutures from the first autopsy. I'm actually beginning to wonder if Dr. Baden ever gowned and gloved at all, or just looked at pictures, Skype/ face time, etc. He was willing to put his name on the autopsy, but I have strong suspicions that Shawn Parcells "did" whatever was "done" in autopsy #2. That's why Baden was so willing to waive his fee, and let Parcells go on the talk show circuit in his place. MOO. Speculation. Etc. That's why we heard so much of Parcells "speculating" about everything EXCEPT what Baden was willing to sign his name to. IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for the links I remember reading, and will quote my own post to add them when I find them.

Earlier in this thread there was a link posted that said Dr Baden did not charge his usual $10,000 fee, but the family attorney did pay Dr Baden's expenses to travel to Missouri. Also, in a different earlier thread, there was a discussion and link about a quote that said the 2nd autopsy was completed on a Friday, but Dr Baden did not travel to Missouri until the following Sunday. Unfortunately, I did not save the links. So, this will have to be my opinion.

 

[al66pine]

From a linked article, a comment re 'at least2 other guys w Brown." BBM

" Why was he so comfortable with getting out of the car. There were at least 2 other guys with Brown. This story is deeper than we all know."

I thought I had read everything about this horrible shooting but do not recall anything about 'at least 2 other guys'?
I missed it. Anyone? A link? Thx in adv.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think who ever said folks need to know about procedures like why MB was in street for so long to collect evidence process scene because local is saying he was left there as lesson you can be next..

Oh so sad

No shortage of ignorance....and that's everywhere, not just ferguson.


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[tlcya]

Yes, I know this is Judy Melinek, but just to show how open minded I am (lol!), I will say that this is a very good description of the limitations of second, and subsequent autopsies. I was composing a post about second autopsies when this was conveniently posted less than an hour ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html





Now, this is my opinion, based on Attorney Crump's comments (which I'm still researching for the exact link, so take it as opinion till then).

The second autopsy info that the Brown family attorneys released stated that the second autopsy was completed after the official autopsy. And a subsequent comment references Dr. Baden arriving AFTER that second autopsy. It's my developing opinion that Dr. Baden himself didn't actually "do" the second autopsy-- that Shawn Parcells and his company arrived first and "reopened" the sutures from the first autopsy. I'm actually beginning to wonder if Dr. Baden ever gowned and gloved at all, or just looked at pictures, Skype/ face time, etc. He was willing to put his name on the autopsy, but I have strong suspicions that Shawn Parcells "did" whatever was "done" in autopsy #2. That's why Baden was so willing to waive his fee, and let Parcells go on the talk show circuit in his place. MOO. Speculation. Etc. That's why we heard so much of Parcells "speculating" about everything EXCEPT what Baden was willing to sign his name to. IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for the links I remember reading, and will quote my own post to add them when I find them.

I was thinking that Baden, whose reputation appears to be very professional and respected in his field, agreed to do it but warned them he would not be giving anything but his opinion and that he was going to do a "straight" autopsy. I think they wanted that reputation to lend legitimacy. They hired Parcells also because of his unusual reputation and his seeming willingness to construct or spin things more in a light that favored the selected narrative.

That is why he is talking to the press and Baden is not. Baden was not going to give a phony dog and pony show.

ETA I think your thinking on this is interesting and now my wheels are spinning.

 

[Phoebeb]

I think who ever said folks need to know about procedures like why MB was in street for so long to collect evidence process scene because local is saying he was left there as lesson you can be next..

Oh so sad

Yes, I am so sick of that! It does sound so horrible if you didn't know that it is necessary for evidence and photos. Why doesn't anyone ever say that!!!??
I think I'll tweet don lemon and tell him!