MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[katydid23]

If the above turns out to be the case.... I've seriously underestimated the legal team of the Browns.
That would have been a brilliant move.

IMO


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Maybe. But it could backfire BIG TIME if a competent attorney gets Baden and/or Parcells in the hot seat. They will become mincemeat if someone like Juan Martinez or Geri Nels gets to cross examine them.

 

[gramcracker]

this morning on CNN they are displaying a quote screen with Bosley stating that (in relation to DJ's eyewitness account) Dorian's "past transgressions do not change these facts nor do they justify the grotesque and deadly violation of Michael Brown's and Dorian Johnson's civil rights"

the most recent MSM reports inform us that DJ's previous theft charge relates to a stolen backpack, which sounds simple/petty: minimizing. turns out that the backpack was inside a parcel that he stole, which led to him lying about his age/identity (the false police report charge)

In an interview with WND, Johnson’s attorney, former St. Louis Mayor Freeman Bosley Jr., acknowledged his client had been arrested in Jefferson City for theft of a parcel.

Bosley insisted the case was “resolved.”

“He was held in jail in St. Louis for 14 days, waiting on Cole County to come get him, based on the warrant,” Bosley said. “They never came, so the city let him go.”

But Schaffer said there is an order for Johnson’s extradition if he is arrested within a 50-mile radius of Jefferson City. Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb, is more than 100 miles from Jefferson City.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/ferguson-shooting-witness-wanted-in-2011-case/

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, did not file an “incident report” on the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Michael Brown because they turned the case over to St. Louis County police almost immediately, the county prosecutor’s office tells NBC News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...on-police-never-filed-incident-report-n186431

 

[Irish_Eyes]

BBM she probably did make a statement b/c she called it in, and the 911 dispatcher probably informed her that she needed to stay at the scene.

I recently had to call local police over a suspicious car left parked in the lot where I work. I work in a small consignment shop and the parking lot is around back. I pulled in to open the shop one morning, and there was a car randomly parked in the middle of the lot. I waited a few hours to see if anyone came back, thinking maybe someone had car trouble or something. I finally called the police b/c I started to think, "what if the car was involved in some sort of crime?" "What if there was a dead body in the trunk?!!"(I hang out here too damn often!)

They asked that I stay on the scene, and when the officer arrived he took my name, address and
telephone # along with my "statement."

While he was looking up the plate 2 older ladies came into the shop wondering why the police were there. Turns out they had met in the parking lot to shop, and when the realized we weren't open yet, they decided to take just one car, while leaving the other and went out for lunch!!!!!

:facepalm:

OMG, I read your post on my tablet and I just had to get back on. One time I was going to meet up with my boyfriend at his house and we were going to have a movie night. He wasn't home yet, but pulled in the driveway and I noticed a car across the street parked at a weird angle to the curb and totally facing the wrong way (he lived on a one way street.) And the car was still running. I tried to see if someone was actually in the car or not, but it was dark out and the car had very tinted windows so I couldn't tell. Then, just like you did, I wondered if someone ditched the car after some crime or something and thought I'd better get myself in the house. Just as I was grabbing my cell to call the police an officer pulled up - a neighbor had already called. He opened the door of the car and the dome light came on, and I couldn't help but see what I saw - The passenger's seat was all the way back and a man was laying in it - totally and completely naked! Wasn't expecting that. He was alive but unconscious. I thought he was dead though because the cop is checking him out and the guy didn't wake up or move or anything. I was so freaked out. An ambulance came and took him to the hospital as my boyfriend was getting home, and the cop came over to question us, but we hadn't seen anything. It turns out that the guy had been parked down in the valley with a date and they were doing drugs and having sex and the guy OD'd. The date thought he was dead and he freaked out, drove up out of the valley and ditched the car. The guy lived, but I am just like you now, I would rather call and feel stupid than find out later I could have prevented something bad.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Ugh. That's what I hate about these cases, just like the Zimmerman case - one person is dead, and the other may literally end up on trial for their life. We're taught not to speak ill of the dead, and not to blame the victim, that that is the right thing to do, and it is. But it's also true that murder is a very serious accusation to make against someone and there truly would be no justice and no peace if you don't carefully weigh the credibility and character of the witness making such a serious allegation. I've seen cases where I was pretty sure the witness wasn't the model citizen, but I did think they were telling the truth based on their answers, the evidence, etc. I've seen cases where people who are supposed pillars of their community testify and I don't believe a word of it. I think that's why juries have more than just one or two people because I could easily be wrong - but me and eleven others are (theoretically) less likely to all be wrong. (Looking at you CMA jurors! ) So those are known facts about DJ but I want to hear his testimony at trial and see how it lines up with the other evidence and take in the full picture. That's how I roll.

It's even more complicated because of the self-defense defense which is a completely valid defense if you can prove it. Because you're basically saying "the other guy is at fault" so victim-blaming is basically required. Mary Winkler comes to mind. Her husband is dead by her own hand and she has to take the stand in court and say all these bad things about him to try to show why she was more or less crazy when she did it.

I think it's totally understandable then for MB's parents to be outraged about the video coming out or anything that seems to impugn his character. From their vantage point I'm sure it's like he's dead, my goodness, isn't that enough? Why drag him through the mud on top of it? Yet I totally understand from DW's family/friends angle where they would say we understand how that kind of thing causes the family pain, and we hate that, but we think MB was truly the aggressor here and DW only defended himself and the people in the vicinity from a very real threat, so the truth, even if painful, has to see the light of day for justice to be possible.

I wish we could just keep this perspective, that even I could sometimes, but sometimes it's so much easier just to call each other jerks, racists, ignorant, etc. (Not WSers, but society at large.)

 

[dandy]

we've all watched tons of interviews with protestors, reporters, officials, talking heads, govt & private leaders, friends & foes, etc. i'm having a tough time coming up with a list of who would be an unbiased juror.

 

[bettybaby00]

we've all watched tons of interviews with protestors, reporters, officials, talking heads, govt & private leaders, friends & foes, etc. i'm having a tough time coming up with a list of who would be an unbiased juror.

:seeya: morning

Seems things were quiet in Ferguson last night, yea?

Jumping off your comments.

When the witnesses were on TV every 5 minutes I kept thinking, "why are they doing that? Why are they allowed to do that?"

If there is a trial DJ in particular is going to have a lot of his account scrutinized against his initial statements.

 

[Sonya610]

FYI the fund for Officer Wilson just reached 200k.

They need to make all comments private though, before the media starts criticizing and stereotyping the contributors.

 

[Lovejac]

http://youtu.be/7ULx3Mx1s-8

Whoa! He's mad.

But why should JJ be the one to bond those guys out of jail? I do agree he should be marching though.

ETA: :giggle: He got called out at Micky D's

 

[dandy]

edit - haha - i didn't quote bettybaby - sorry!

yup, i think it's the quiet before the storm = funeral on monday?

the reporters were grasping to fill up air-time and imo most of them had an agenda - who is unbiased?

i think dj should search his conscience and tell the truth - the good & the bad.

 

[Elley Mae]

One of the largest donations, for $1,070, came from Anne Arundel County’s Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 70. Most donations are more modest, in the $5 to $50 range.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...en-wilson-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

BBM My Father died May31 2010 Memorial day, it was about 90 degrees that day. He was out side doing yard work and had a heart attack. He lay in the yard for over 3 hours before a coroner from the next county showed up. He was a good cop, 32 years he was a good cop. Anne Arundel Co Fraternal Order 70 was his Lodge. I know he would be proud to read that. jmo

 

[Trident]

Whoa! He's mad.

But why should JJ be the one to bond those guys out of jail? I do agree he should be marching though.

ETA: :giggle: He got called out at Micky D's

WOW. That impressed me very much. It probably did more to change my mind about the protestors than anything I've seen so far. That speaker, whomever he was, certainly earned my respect as a thinking person, willing to tell the truth.

:cow:

 

[Lovejac]

Yes, I know this is Judy Melinek, but just to show how open minded I am (lol!), I will say that this is a very good description of the limitations of second, and subsequent autopsies. I was composing a post about second autopsies when this was conveniently posted less than an hour ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/opinion/melinek-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html





Now, this is my opinion, based on Attorney Crump's comments (which I'm still researching for the exact link, so take it as opinion till then).

The second autopsy info that the Brown family attorneys released stated that the second autopsy was completed after the official autopsy. And a subsequent comment references Dr. Baden arriving AFTER that second autopsy. It's my developing opinion that Dr. Baden himself didn't actually "do" the second autopsy-- that Shawn Parcells and his company arrived first and "reopened" the sutures from the first autopsy. I'm actually beginning to wonder if Dr. Baden ever gowned and gloved at all, or just looked at pictures, Skype/ face time, etc. He was willing to put his name on the autopsy, but I have strong suspicions that Shawn Parcells "did" whatever was "done" in autopsy #2. That's why Baden was so willing to waive his fee, and let Parcells go on the talk show circuit in his place. MOO. Speculation. Etc. That's why we heard so much of Parcells "speculating" about everything EXCEPT what Baden was willing to sign his name to. IMO.

I'm going to keep looking for the links I remember reading, and will quote my own post to add them when I find them.

That could be why he waived his usual $10,000 fee

ETa: just saw that you mentioned that as well. Need more coffee!

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, although likely fast tracked the complete toxicology report from MB's autopsy has yet to be completed or revealed... MB's aggressive behavior illustrated by the strong arm robbery of the store clerk and his later belligerent attitude and brazened unpredictable altercation with DW indicates that there is much more to this tragic story, imo.. Guess, time will tell...

The Truth About Toxicology Tests
Facts about 'real-life' toxicology tests you won't learn from watching television crime shows.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests

Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?
Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD.

There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.

When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay.

"Four to six weeks is pretty standard," Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory.

"Each one should be handled thoroughly, whether they are a celebrity or not," she says.

 

[Lovejac]

hmmm, had not heard that. There was a more recent person that came forward that claimed he was with Brown BEFORE he went to grab the cigs. He claims they ran into each other and spoke just before the convenience store trip while Brown was on way there. He said something about how Brown had said he was feeling some kind of way and Brown said he felt like something was coming (paraphrasing) and it was bad vibes or something and his lord and savior Jesus Christ helping him. I cannot recall the man's name but he did not claim to be with him when the incident went down. Only a conversation before the cigs incident.

There was an article linked here about 3 threads ago where it was mentioned that MB stopped to talk to two landscapers who were cutting down a tree.

I specifically remember it because it was worded like, "MB stop to talk to two white landscapers." And I was all like, who the heck cares what color they were! :gaah:

 

[Lovejac]

I'm behind, but in case no one has yet, here are the quotes I posted yesterday:

Early statements by Chief Belmar

Belmar said at a news conference on Sunday that when Wilson got out of his squad car, Brown pushed him back in, and a struggle ensued.
Belmar said the incident started when Brown physically assaulted the police officer, pushing him into the officer's vehicle.

He said there was a struggle inside the car, and at some point Brown reached for the officer's weapon. One shot was fired inside the vehicle.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/ferguson-darren-wilson-account-michael-brown-shooting


Belmar says Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...olice-news-conference-michael-brown/13860601/

**Two recent comments (on video) by Brown Family lawyers:**

(Two nights ago, after release of report about Wilson's orbital fracture)

"Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction, strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don`t deny that,” Daryl Parks, attorney for Brown’s family said Monday night.

“I think as evidence comes out, you'll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-autopsy-fight-car

On Megyn Kelly last night:

(Megan asks his theory on why this officer, with a good history would have just opened fire on what we're told is an innocent teenager.)

Parks (Brown Family attorney) answers: "In all due fairness, at the very beginning, at the car, there was a very serious situation between Michael and the officer, without question, in which there may have been blow -they had an altercation.

And at some point, the officer's gun may have come out and a shot's fired."

(He follows by saying that's not the real issue.)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/index.html#/v/3739124713001

Oh Muffet :blowkiss: I love you for this! I was posting from my phone last night because my laptop was being held hostage by my husband :gaah: and couldn't post links.

Thanks for saving me the time of looking them up this morning!

 

[Sonya610]

Oh and this may already have been addressed but I missed it.

I asked a LEO acquaintance if Off Wilson would have to hire his own attorneys or if that would be covered. He said the City (since officer Wilson worked for their force) will customarily pay for the defense (except if the PD declares the shooting a "bad shoot" then sometimes they don't).

 

[DebinGA]

Re MB autopsies:
The first was done/supervised by Dr. Mary Case, SL County MO Chief Medical Officer

Holder described another being done by "one of the finest (*pathologists) in the U.S. military" (presumably at his direction)
*I don't remember the precise word Holder used

A third (or perhaps 2nd) was supposedly done by Baden, assisted by SP

 

[Lovejac]

I wanted to say this earlier and I keep getting wrapped up in trying to get caught up.

The latest witness came out saying others are scared to come out and say what they saw..... I truly doubt that unless they are backing the cop's story. Right now all those backing MB are backed by a community and sadly officials who should be so tight lipped on this right now. Off a friends page she was posting things she found on FB . They were not fact and evidence like the autopsy picture proves it to be flat out wrong. Another lady commented we need to sit and let things come out before passing judgement, got completely post slapped for her opinion. So I kept my finger from typing away. But I soon thought how would that help the situation so I posted articles. Never my opinion just articles from all different media outlets. One guy who had been at the very front of the pack wanting Wilson's head read some of the articles. He said after reading them and not just listening from this person or that one, that he was sitting on the sidelines with the other lady. I thought the other woman got a post slap this guy got hit hard with you are turning your back on your own race (<--- if I had to pick the nicest comment he got it was that one.) My friend ended up deleting the post b/c she does not like hate on her page ( she was speaking of this guy not the comments made about him)

It is horribly insulting for people to say that all white people should be on Officer Wilson's side and all black people should be on MB's side.

 

[Elley Mae]

&#8220;People can say what they want about me, but when it comes down to the court, they&#8217;ll find that I&#8217;m not &#8216;a fake,&#8217; &#8221; he said. &#8220;At the end of the day, I assisted Dr. Baden. I didn&#8217;t do the autopsy.&#8221;

Parcells didn&#8217;t know how the Browns&#8217; attorneys found him, surmising it could have been from a recent email advertising campaign to area attorneys. After Baden was hired, the medical examiner still requested Parcells&#8217; help, he said.

http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-08-21/topeka-native-plays-key-role-autopsy-ferguson-shooting

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/crowds-thin-in-ferguson-as-midnight-curfew-starts-1408253833



Michael M. Baden, who conducted a second, private autopsy Sunday for the Brown family, said wounds to the head and brain were the likely cause of death.

"There were at least six entry wounds, there might have been seven, but we'll have to correlate that with what was found in the first autopsy," he said. The first autopsy was conducted by the St. Louis County Medical Examiner's office. The U.S. Justice Department announced Sunday that it ordered its own autopsy.

 

[bettybaby00]

That could also be why he WAIVED his usual $10,000 fee

Idk, I can't believe Baden intentionally participated in something that wasn't on the up and up. According to that Dispatch article it does seem that certain parts of the country do rely on private ME services, but that clearly wasn't necessary in this case. Parcells qualifications are pretty much nonexistent, and there appears to be numerous allegations against him for improperly taking part in autopsies as he has neither the medical expertise or certifications(s) to do so.

If he did anything beyond taking a few pictures as he's claimed prior to Baden's arrival, their whole analysis will be ripped to shreds.