MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[Sonya610]

BBM
Because Wilson looks to me like he is pacing back and forth trying to figure out what the hell just happened, if he had sustained a blowout fracture his face would be covered in blood and he would be on his hands and knees in pain and would stay in extreme pain until he got to hospital and was administered strong pain meds

What on earth are you basing that statement on? Covered in blood?????

Do you know what an orbital blowout fracture even is?

 

[Elley Mae]

MAYOR TESTIFIES BADEN'S OUSTER WAS NECESSARY

Published: June 26, 1982
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/26/nyregion/mayor-testifies-baden-s-ouster-was-necessary.html

The Mayor, speaking in a firm and confident tone, said he had acted properly and fairly in making the ''very painful'' decision to dismiss Dr. Baden in July 1979 after receiving complaints about him, particularly from District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau of Manhattan.

''Dr. Baden's temperament was such,'' Mayor Koch said, ''that he couldn't work within the system.'' Mayor Koch stressed complaints that Dr. Baden had failed to cooperate with Mr. Morgenthau's office in providing evidence for several cases. The Mayor described Mr. Morgenthau as ''the preeminent law enforcement officer in New York.''

He wasn't trusted 32 years ago.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/phil_spector/8.html

Dr. Baden took the stand next and testified that the incident never happened, adding that he had never been accused of tampering with evidence. "In my 47 years, this is the first time that issue has ever been raised," he said.

bbm

 

[SStarr33]

“People can say what they want about me, but when it comes down to the court, they’ll find that I’m not ‘a fake,’ ” he said. “At the end of the day, I assisted Dr. Baden. I didn’t do the autopsy.”

Parcells didn’t know how the Browns’ attorneys found him, surmising it could have been from a recent email advertising campaign to area attorneys. After Baden was hired, the medical examiner still requested Parcells’ help, he said.

http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-08-21/topeka-native-plays-key-role-autopsy-ferguson-shooting

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/crowds-thin-in-ferguson-as-midnight-curfew-starts-1408253833



Michael M. Baden, who conducted a second, private autopsy Sunday for the Brown family, said wounds to the head and brain were the likely cause of death.

"There were at least six entry wounds, there might have been seven, but we'll have to correlate that with what was found in the first autopsy," he said. The first autopsy was conducted by the St. Louis County Medical Examiner's office. The U.S. Justice Department announced Sunday that it ordered its own autopsy.

Wow, the comments on the cjonline article from people who say they know him are very damning.

IMO, they are going to have to throw out this autopsy. The defense will tear this guy to shreds.

 

[Lovejac]

Idk, I can't believe Baden intentionally participated in something that wasn't on the up and up. According to that Dispatch article it does seem that certain parts of the country do rely on private ME services, but that clearly wasn't necessary in this case. Parcells qualifications are pretty much nonexistent, and there appears to be numerous allegations against him for improperly taking part in autopsies as he has neither the medical expertise or certifications(s) to do so.

If he did anything beyond taking a few pictures as he's claimed prior to Baden's arrival, their whole analysis will be ripped to shreds.

You know, I totally agree. Mr. Baden has a great reputation, I can't imagine him taking any chances damaging that.

I would however be inclined to believe that MB attorney might have let Parcells have a look/see before Baden arrived.

 

[Foxfire]

Re MB autopsies:
The first was done/supervised by Dr. Mary Case, SL County MO Chief Medical Officer

Holder described another being done by "one of the finest (*pathologists) in the U.S. military" (presumably at his direction)
*I don't remember the precise word Holder used

A third (or perhaps 2nd) was supposedly done by Baden, assisted by SP

Imo, Dr Baden is one of the most honorable and respectable Pathologists in the nation, if not the world. Although he has worked many high profile cases. Dr Baden was the catalyst for the conviction of Bolingbrook, IL Police Sergeant Drew Peterson, for the murder of Kathleen Savio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Peterson

Drew Walter Peterson (born January 5, 1954) is a retired Bolingbrook, Illinois, police sergeant who first received national publicity in the United States in 2007, when his fourth wife Stacy Peterson disappeared. Stacy was never found, and Drew has not been charged in her case. In 2009, Drew Peterson was indicted for the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio (who died in 2004), and convicted in 2012 and received his sentence of 38 years on February 21, 2013. Peterson had a 30-year career as a police officer. ... Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City chief medical examiner who conducted the autopsy... On September 6, 2012, Peterson was convicted of killing Savio.
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[bwt42]

Sonny Hostin on CNN this morning: The five witnesses that have come forward all have similar stories. I can think of DJ,Tiffany,Piaget & Mike Brady. Who is number five?

 

[DebinGA]

Wow, the comments on the cjonline article from people who say they know him are very damning.

IMO, they are going to have to throw out this autopsy. The defense will tear this guy to shreds.

What conclusions did Baden offer helpful to Crump, Inc? That MB was bending forward when the 2 final shots, going from front to back of the head, occurred? Imagine Baden's horror, then or later, as SP contradicted Baden's finding and publicly pontificated that the head shots went from back to front, i.e. were shot from behind MB ... iiic.

 

[Foxfire]

Re MB autopsies:
The first was done/supervised by Dr. Mary Case, SL County MO Chief Medical Officer

Holder described another being done by "one of the finest (*pathologists) in the U.S. military" (presumably at his direction)
*I don't remember the precise word Holder used

A third (or perhaps 2nd) was supposedly done by Baden, assisted by SP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...3a4d12-2694-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html
Holder headed to Ferguson on Wednesday, will oversee federal response to shooting

 

[DebinGA]

Sonny Hostin on CNN this morning: The five witnesses that have come forward all have similar stories. I can think of DJ,Tiffany,Piaget & Mike Brady. Who is number five?

Reminds me of the classic children's story "The Blind Men and the Elephant"

https://cviteacher.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/blind-men-and-the-elephant.gif

 

[Foxfire]

A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer/s. Quote by Robert Frost

 

[Gardenlady]

Agree with this. What did you do with each time you were dealt with disrespectfully, if I may ask?

Depends on what kind of a mood I was in, I guess, same as anyone else. Sometimes you just want to get home. Other times you just have had it with people's BS at the end of the day or whatever. But I will be damned if I'm going to "yes sir, thank you sir" anyone who is needlessly rude to me, badge or not.

This is just my experienced as a mixed, light skinned brown woman. And I will say it was worse in the past than it is now. And for the brown and black MEN in my family it was and still is worse. And more frequent. Walking while black or walking while brown is a very real reason for people to be stopped and bothered by LE.

Interestingly, I notice an uptick lately in public awareness of LE overstepping, because it is happening more and more to white people as well, and also because of the ubiquity of smart phones to record these interactions. I think the fact that in many areas, because brutality and bias were never rooted out and corrected, it continued unabated and spread to happening against the general public, and no longer just against minorities. No one has ever called the LE to account in those jurisdictions, so the problem only gets worse. It's sad that it takes others suffering abuse to wake up an see the problem, but whatever the reason I am glad that many are seeing it now.


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[bettybaby00]

Wow, the comments on the cjonline article from people who say they know him are very damning.

IMO, they are going to have to throw out this autopsy. The defense will tear this guy to shreds.

BBM
Do you mean Parcells? IMO i believe it was never their intention that he would testify in any way shape or form, that's what Baden is for. And I'm sure Baden has waived his fee on many cases, depending the circumstances.

HOWEVER, if the Brown family hired Parcells b/c he "runs" a private ME business, and in that region of the country it seems that does happen on a fairly consistent basis, then the question that's going to get raised is what exactly did he do, and what exactly did Baden do?

For me, I immediately began to question his credibility, b/c I thought it was a little odd that a "Professor" assisted during an autopsy, but shrugged it off initially as no big deal. Later I became quote annoyed. I sat in shock during those first few days while I watched him on countless news shows--multiple times a day on multiple tv shows, for days on end--as he was introduced, or referred to as medical examiner, as well as a forensic expert and he never once corrected the misinformed anchor/host of the program. Even the title of professor is a flat out lie. I gotta wonder if that title was dusted off on that morning, b/c Baden knew better :dunno:

JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer/s. Quote by Robert Frost

In many cases that is definitely true.

I forgot to add in my previous post re: Parcells and his interviews. On quite a number of occasions, depending on how the anchor chose to question him, he only discussed the "one shot from behind, hands in the air, surrendering scenario, which added credibility to that narrative. Baden never did that.

 

[CARIIS]

RE: Autopsy!

It astounding that the media keeps stating that we have to wait for the results come out. The results as far as the autopsy goes , in the court room, bullet trajectory will be addressed by the folks that have already have told the world their findings. Then the media focuses is on the fact that they have said something different could have happened. The sun may not rise tomm, but in all liklihood, it is pretty ok ,to believe in all liklihood , it shall!.

IMO no "expert" witness will lock him/her self in box. The ones that are skilled at that get hired! (notice that in alot of trials regular folks get caught up in that stating something unevivallyy)

If asked is there a "possibly" ( see sun above!) that the wounds could have done this or this. Of course they have to answer there could be a possibly. That is the whole game (nothing with guilt or not). If any of them said there is no way the bullets might have done this . Its all really a tennis match. All the other "side"(that in and of itself sounds like a tennis match) will do is find some expert that would testify the opposite ( no matter how ludicrous it is $ talks- it purhcases stuff foes it not?. Nothing to do with logic or the truth.

The reality that in fact,visually to all, his back is smooth as ice - logically, confirms, makes simple sense ( ( unless bullets can do u turns like anti missiles can do!) . With thx exception that someone suffering with a delusionial disorder of some variety! . IMO, Peroid. Done. Fact.

Its funny right now CNN is exploring the new revelation that the "star" witness has been charged with lying to the police. The attorney's did their spin ( again IMO, its a tennis match). No relevance that he has been charged with lying to cops in the past! No relevance?

! If he had been charged with shoplifting a cake maybe irrevelant! If I had murdered before that might have some importance in a murder trial, less important in a auto accident trial!

The other irony here is the other charge is stealing stuff, after being on video accompanying someone committing a felony doing the same thing!

And the real "game" part of the system is there will be days spent discussing if the jury can "hear" about it. Hours of trial time is spent arguing if the TRUTH, in any context, about anything, in any trial, can be entered into the record.

All these endless hours in what is supposed to be about finding the truth is spent determing if damaging truths can be heard by the jury. Its a game, IMO.

IMO, we have a legal system - not a "justice" system - there is a world of difference IMO

 

[LambChop]

Okay folks I think posters should reread the rules if they are unsure about what they are posting. A lot of violations this morning and the posts were removed.

Political links are not okay to link here in this thread. We do not link them. We do not link to donation sites. We do not get into a discussion regarding racism. Stay on topic.

There is no evidence that this is a racial crime. So let's just discuss what we know for a fact has happened and go on from there. As more information comes in we are getting a clearer picture so that is what we need to discuss.

Thanks, Lambchop

 

[bettybaby00]

Sonny Hostin on CNN this morning: The five witnesses that have come forward all have similar stories. I can think of DJ,Tiffany,Piaget & Mike Brady. Who is number five?

:dunno: I was gonna say Brady, but I see you listed him.

And Sonny Hostin...... IMO

 

[oh_gal]

If I'm a typical white person, the vast majority of whites wouldn't think twice about supporting a black "Officer Wilson"'s having to shoot a white "MB" under the same circumstances.

Are you saying that white people would support a black officer, or wouldn't? When I read your post, it can be taken either way.

FWIW, I'm as white as the snow, and I would support ANY officer of ANY color or race, who faced such an assault from a suspect of ANY color or ANY race.

 

[DebinGA]

A page back someone was confused about mention of a third guy being with MB and DJ during the store robbery. I noticed UG (Unknown Guy) too, wearing white t-shirt, long black pants, dark "bandana" in the video, since he entered, lingered, and left the store with MB/DJ. In the video UG enters first, followed by MB, then DJ. UG is out of sight until MB approaches the counter and starts getting his loot, whereupon UG steps out of store but holds the door open as if to facilitate MB's getaway. When the clerk comes around to lock MB in, UG lets go of the door and DJ slithers out, as MB assaults, then menaces the little man. That's just what I remember seeing days ago when the video was first shown, but I could easily be mistaken If someone would post the store video for discussion re UG, I'd appreciate it.

 

[tlcya]

He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so,&#8221; Young told the station.

Told of Case&#8217;s criticism, Parcells told TheDC, &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m not surprised.&#8221;

&#8220;She hasn&#8217;t liked me for a really time. So, whatever. I don&#8217;t know what else to say other than that.&#8221;


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/21/st-louis-medical-examiner-slams-brown-family-hire/#ixzz3B89aUO8R

So, like, Whatevs

I am sorry but that was his response to concerns expressed about his qualifications? okay.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

MAYOR TESTIFIES BADEN'S OUSTER WAS NECESSARY

Published: June 26, 1982
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/26/nyregion/mayor-testifies-baden-s-ouster-was-necessary.html

The Mayor, speaking in a firm and confident tone, said he had acted properly and fairly in making the ''very painful'' decision to dismiss Dr. Baden in July 1979 after receiving complaints about him, particularly from District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau of Manhattan.

''Dr. Baden's temperament was such,'' Mayor Koch said, ''that he couldn't work within the system.'' Mayor Koch stressed complaints that Dr. Baden had failed to cooperate with Mr. Morgenthau's office in providing evidence for several cases. The Mayor described Mr. Morgenthau as ''the preeminent law enforcement officer in New York.''

He wasn't trusted 32 years ago.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/phil_spector/8.html

Dr. Baden took the stand next and testified that the incident never happened, adding that he had never been accused of tampering with evidence. "In my 47 years, this is the first time that issue has ever been raised," he said.

bbm

Thank you for this link and your research. I am shocked. I have not heard any negative comments about Dr Baden.