MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[JLSChook]

So you think people are actually donating money to the cop just so they can leave racist messages? hoh:


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I do. What's 5 bucks if you can leave some disparaging remark against someone? You wouldn't believe what trolls will do to get attention.

 

[mdana]

We need a fact page.

FACT: Both Dorian Gray and the attorneys involved have agreed there was a robbery at the store.

That may be true. I have read it, however he also may have immunity for other crimes we are unaware. We have no idea what kind of deal he has made. I would just like clarification, because if an accomplice claims a crime it is not necessarily true.

Remember this case? Remember the state?:thinking:

COLUMBIA, Mo. – Freedom did not come easy for a Missouri man whose murder conviction was overturned in the 2001 slaying of a newspaper sports editor.

Ryan Ferguson was released Tuesday evening — one week after an appeals court panel overturned his conviction in the death of Columbia Daily Tribune sports editor Kent Heitholt

.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/1...iction-overturned-for-2001-slaying-newspaper/

Following the conviction, Ferguson gained a following with wrongful conviction advocacy groups. In 2009, high-profile Chicago attorney Kathleen Zellner took over Ferguson's case working pro bono.[14] In 2012, both Erickson and Trump recanted their confessions in statements obtained by Zellner and her investigator. In the subsequent habeas corpus hearing, both Erickson and Trump admitted that they lied at Ferguson's trial.[15]

Erickson claimed that prosecutor Kevin Crane pressured him into implicating Ferguson. Erickson testified in the habeas hearing that he does not remember the evening of the murder because of heavy drug and alcohol use and that he blacked out

.[13]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Ferguson_(wrongful_conviction)#Chuck_Erickson

 

[SStarr33]

Thank you for your concern. Perhaps you can point me to the thread or posts where the incident report of the shooting have been previously linked and discussed? I must have missed it.

Just search the forum for #rubme1. We all got a big kick out of that

Let me know if you can't find it and I will link.

 

[tlcya]

Have we discussed that they are calling Shawn Parcells, Professor Parcells?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

Does anyone know where he teaches?:thinking:

UofW?

University of Whatever

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

http://www.odmp.org/search/year

2014 Honor Roll of Heroes


Line of Duty Deaths: 67
Assault: 1
Automobile accident: 15
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 27
Gunfire (Accidental): 1
Heart attack: 8
Motorcycle accident: 2
Struck by vehicle: 3
Vehicle pursuit: 2
Vehicular assault: 7


Line of Duty Deaths this Year: +2%
Gunfire Deaths this Year: +42%

 

[bettybaby00]

source A says blowout
source B says no

Obviously one unnamed source is lying. Fact.

DJ IMO is straight up lying about what he says happened. His story does not track from start to finish. At all. That is simply my own.

The employee being picked up is not consciously lying, she is a poor witness IMO. She describes getting her phone, going from one room to the next, etc etc during her account all while the thing she claims to have witnessed is going on outside. I feel her account is not helpful because it is piecemeal and a construct of those bits and pieces of the events she DID see have now been firmed up by her mind filling in for her (assumptions) about what she did not see.

Eye Witness accounts can be IMO very flawed. I posted the studies several threads back. Our memories are not like TIVO or DVDs. They are colored by our previous experiences and what we have subsequently heard and seen from others. They are fluid and therefore unreliable.

All of the above is JMO. That is why I am trying to examine all the accounts as I wait for the actual forensic evidence and other hard facts to come to light.

ETA It is my belief that the biggest liars of all are the media, the talking heads, and those who are pushing an agenda and supporting themselves on this sort of national case. None of them wants to see peace or justice really because it is bad for business. That too is just my opinion

IA we have 2 conflicting accounts of Wilson's injuries, and both are based on "unnamed sources close to the investigation."

I get the skepticism about how serious those injuries might be, ie, whether or not he sustained a blowout orbital fracture, but to take that skepticism and assert, "I knew it," based on current info seems short sighted to me.

The only thing we know as a "verified" fact is that a physical altercation took place between MB and OW. How do we know this? We know this to be a factual aspect in this incident b/c the lawyers representing MBs family have stated it on more than one occasion (links and quotes provided a number of times). And last night when Parks was on Fox, and the fracture was brought up, I didn't hear him refuting it.

We'll find out soon enough which account is true, but either way, this police officer was assaulted and unless the evidence proves Wilson just decided to pull out his weapon for no reason, the shooting may very well turn out to be justified.

JMO

Eta: as I'm typing I just heard about Sen. nadal's tweets....she should be ashamed, very ashamed.


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/maria-chappelle-nadal-jay-nixon_n_5681744.html

 

[JLSChook]

Of course, silly me, racists aren't real and racism doesn't exist.

Btw - google comments of highest donors to the cop. Are you also going to tell me they'll donate hundreds just to leave racist remarks? :floorlaugh:


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Huh? You lost me. I don't need Google, I read the comments directly from the website. I just looked again now and every single comment from the highest (5000) down to 300 are not racist nor disparaging to anyone. :waitasec:

I think I'll move on from this discussion.

 

[JLSChook]

^^Wow, Nadal sure is classy isn't she? :facepalm:

 

[tlcya]

IA we have 2 conflicting accounts of Wilson's injuries, and both are based on "unnamed sources close to the investigation."

I get the skepticism about how serious those injuries might be, ie, whether or not he sustained a blowout orbital fracture, but to take that skepticism and assert, "I knew it," based on current info seems short sighted to me.

The only thing we know as a "verified" fact is that a physical altercation took place between MB and OW. How do we know this? We know this to be a factual aspect in this incident b/c the lawyers representing MBs family have stated it on more than one occasion (links and quotes provided a number of times). And last night when Parks was on Fox, and the fracture was brought up, I didn't hear him refuting it.

We'll find out soon enough which account is true, but either way, this police officer was assaulted and unless the evidence proves Wilson just decided to pull out his weapon for no reason, the shooting may very well turn out to be justified.

JMO

Eta: as I'm typing I just heard about Sen. nadal's tweets....she should be ashamed, very ashamed.

[removed the actual tweets due to language not allowed here]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/maria-chappelle-nadal-jay-nixon_n_5681744.html

NOTE on my edit to yours is contained in the []s

wow. I really do not even know what to think of that. Well I do but I don't know how to articulate it responsibly at the moment.

This country is in one sad state if this is how our elected officials behave, and not just behind closed doors, but in public on social media. Just wow.

 

[mdana]

I think the assault on the clerk has a tremendous impact upon what happened 10 minutes later. If you look at how intimidating and aggressive that MB was in the store, and how he then walked right down the middle of the street, blocking traffic, carrying the stolen merchandise--even refusing to follow the cops initial orders to get out of the street. EVERYTHING points to MB still being in an aggressive, rebellious mode.

Then you have to compare the officer to the teen, since this is a 'he said/he said' type of case. We have seen a video showing the aggressive felonious actions perpetrated by MB, 10 minutes before meeting up with the officer. But I have no evidence, at this point, of the officer being in an aggressive, felonious mode at the time he sees the teens. As a matter of fact, he told them to get out of the street, THEN DROVE ON BY. He was not even going to stop them until the teens blew him off and refused to step to the side of the road. Again, THEY were the ones being defiant and reckless, imo.

I would convict on your narrative, but looking at the facts and the video, I don't see it how you spin it. The police dept. are trying to spin you. I question if officer Wilson knew anything about the incident when the shooting occurred. If MB, felt like he did nothing wrong at the store then it makes it less likely he would act out against the police.

-MOO

 

[aa9511]

Hmm? If after MB "strong-armed" the store clerk and then pivotted toward him menacingly, would the clerk be justified in pulling out his Glock and firing 6x? I think he might, given the size deferential and the previous assault.

Probably legally, but that is not what happened. What happened is that he was shot by someone who does not have as much freedom as regular citizens who shoot out of self-defense, for the reason that they are always armed on duty and have training to deal with confrontations, and they cannot go around shooting non-discriminately. YKWIM? So yes, the situation would have been different if he had been shot in the store by the shopowner. Because regular citizens and police officers on duty are different circumstances.

 

[jggordo]

Have we discussed that they are calling Shawn Parcells, Professor Parcells?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

Does anyone know where he teaches?:thinking:

I believe in his verbal defense against the STL newspaper article was to claim to be a "Adjunct Professor" at a college in KS. There is a website for his company and it is astounding to me the "services" that are offered, that he has no credentials for. As far as I know he only has an MB degree and I'm not sure what it's in. It could be how to sell BS.

JMO

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-adjunct-professor.htm#didyouknowout

 

[mdana]

Pushing? What I observed in the video was viewed as an assault, imo. The audio would likely have shed more light on MB's intent if it had been available.. I am sure the store clerk would have filled out an incident report unless he was in fear of retribution..

Why would you even consider disregarding the assault on Officer Wilson?

BBM-

No evidence has been presented so far. Zimmerman had pictures from the time of the incident and and in the incident report at least had some injuries. Didn't stop the majority of posters from wanting to convict him if my memory is correct.

-MOO

 

[CoolJ]

Here is the official Ferguson Police Department incident report of the Michael Brown shooting:

Edit to add correction. This is the official St. Louis County Police Department incident report of the Michael Brown shooting.

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/ It...erguson-michael-brown-shooting-police-report/

Anybody else notice the date the date this report was filed? What's THAT all about? What's going on here?

 

[bettybaby00]

B/C the SL Dispatch article is a gift that just keeps on giving...

For those asking about Parcells Professor title, which was how he was introduced at the autopsy press conference, and how some introduced him during interviews...

INFLATED QUALIFICATIONS

In addition to questions about Parcells&#8217; work, some of Parcells&#8217; statements concerning his qualifications also have come under fire. His résumé on LinkedIn and other websites lists extensive educational and professional training that Parcells admitted in a recent interview is not accurate.

For instance, a few months ago, his LinkedIn profile stated he had been a graduate student at the University of Florida for two years, but he acknowledges that he never attended a class there.

Currently, he lists New York Chiropractic College under his education, but he just finished his first trimester as an online student. He also lists himself as a professor at Wichita State University, but Jean Brickell, chair of medical technology there, said Parcells only assisted at a clinical site one time.

Parcells said he was not trying to misrepresent his education.

&#8220;I think like the University of Florida, for example, I had that on my LinkedIn page at the time because I was planning on starting, and then life got busy, and I never went back to my LinkedIn page to take it off,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It was an honest, human mistake.&#8221;

:facepalm:

You can't make this stuff up folks!!!!

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_0662e5b1-dcfa-578f-9487-8ab6a176ea4d.html

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Earlier today I saw part of a panel on MSNBC, which included a black female attorney. She was talking about the Grand Jury and was very outraged by the fact that the prosecutor gave the officer 'an invitation', as she called it, to 'defend himself.' She was angry because she said that prosecutors are before the GJ to try and get indictments. So why allow the target of the indictment to tell their story? That is just wrong, according to this attorney.

Also, she was upset because she said this sitting grand jury MIGHT HAVE met the officer if he has testified in any cases. So that would be unfair to MB if they already knew the officer and then were expected to indict him.

Anyway, at the end of her rant, I felt encouraged. :wink:

Why shouldn't they hear his side of the story? I don't understand that. It would be very one sided and wrong to hear just one side.I heard a saying recently I really like. There is 3 sides to every story.My side,Your side and the truth.If they hear both sides they just might find out the 3rd side.The truth.What really happened.

 

[LambChop]

ATTENTION:

There will be no more discussions about either of the donations sites. You can't link and can't verify.

 

[mdana]

IA we have 2 conflicting accounts of Wilson's injuries, and both are based on "unnamed sources close to the investigation."

I get the skepticism about how serious those injuries might be, ie, whether or not he sustained a blowout orbital fracture, but to take that skepticism and assert, "I knew it," based on current info seems short sighted to me.

The only thing we know as a "verified" fact is that a physical altercation took place between MB and OW. How do we know this? We know this to be a factual aspect in this incident b/c the lawyers representing MBs family have stated it on more than one occasion (links and quotes provided a number of times). And last night when Parks was on Fox, and the fracture was brought up, I didn't hear him refuting it.

We'll find out soon enough which account is true, but either way, this police officer was assaulted and unless the evidence proves Wilson just decided to pull out his weapon for no reason, the shooting may very well turn out to be justified.

JMO

Eta: as I'm typing I just heard about Sen. nadal's tweets....she should be ashamed, very ashamed.


<modsnip> Warning: Content of tweet is nasty.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/maria-chappelle-nadal-jay-nixon_n_5681744.html

BBM-

We are not positive about it being physical, they have stated strong or major, but have not stated physical. It seems like they are greasing the skids, but we can't be sure.

Not sure she should be ashamed about shaming Governor Nixon, since he is a <mod snip>.

-MOO

 

[aa9511]

But we ONLY have video of what happened in the store. We don't have video of what happened outside....if we did, there would be no controversy (I think). I don't know...now I am hearing there have been 2 different versions of the store video? I've only seen one. And in the one I saw, MB only pushes the shopowner after the shopowner tries to block the door and keep him from going outside. So what was the shopowner thinking?! Why didn't he just let MB and his friends go and call police on them, rather than put himself in danger by trying to block the door? So by his actions, wasn't the shopowner putting himself in that position to where he got shoved?

Yes, MB did wrong thing in the store (robbery, stealing, and subsequent pushing), we all know that.

But if he was so big and bad, why didn't he take a gun with him? If he knew he and friends were going to do robbery, if he really had wanted to, couldn't he have gotten a gun and gone in armed?

IDK. There are many people, a lot of them young, who steal things all the time from places like Wal-Mart, Target, and other big stores. Do they all deserve to be gunned down in the street?

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

From http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...81-year-old-beats-off-store-robber-with-purse

An Oklahoma City 81-year-old has just stopped a robbery at a Dollar Store.

When a masked robber walked in, saying he had a gun, the woman began hitting him with her purse and saying, 'Oh no you don't!' He backed down and fled.

She left before police arrived, saying she had other things to do, but witnesses got her age.

Anyone with information about the man is asked to call police at 235-7300. Callers can remain anonymous and may be eligible for a cash reward.

https://heralddemocrat.com/news/okla...y-dollar-store

Too bad this Granny wasn't in the store that day. She might have knocked some of the cockiness out of MB. He might have then skulked home and lived to be packing up and heading for college. Instead, he seems to have been empowered by his "successful" encounter with the store clerk owner which in turn gave him the attitude that he could manhandle a LEO...and the rest is history.