MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #8

[popsicle]

Does anyone else wonder what MB said to the store owner during that confrontation? I sure do.

 

[SStarr33]

Good info here:

A breakdown of the arrests in Ferguson
By Dan Keating, Cristina Rivero and Shelly Tan, Published: August 21, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-arrests/

 

[LaLaw2000]

Been mainly lurking due to the highly charged emotional comments as of late.. and my observation that I've never got into trouble with my mouth closed and my ears open...
Although my career was in public safety for twenty five years, it was not as a law enforcement officer, but as an Atlanta firefighter. Retiring as Captain, I had the opportunity of working along side LEOs in all economic, social, and cultural areas of the city, as well as in many different circumstances, tragedies, and hazardous environments.
My observation of law enforcement officers were that the overwhelming majority of them were fair and honorable public servants that conducted their duties in a very professional manner..

Imo, from info known, Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson, is an honest, honorable, and professional LEO who is being unjustly persecuted... JMO

I was just catching up here and just had to stop and thank you for this post! Thank you so much!

I've mostly stayed away from commenting because my late husband was a retired LE officer, then had a second career as a warden at our parish correctional facility. He was a good, honorable man. He would tell all of his officers that he was color blind and if they were good officers, they would be also. I've worked in LE as well. The laws encompass everyone. The one thing a good LE officer hates is a bad one. Of course there are some bad ones. There is good and bad in every profession.

I am sorry to see such animosity toward LE these days. Let's say a criminal was breaking into your house and you call 911. Would you not be grateful that LE responded and apprehended that criminal? Can you think of a situation where LE have actually been the 'good guys'?

Please, please do not lump all LE into being bad. At first I did not know what to think of this shooting, so I just kept reading and listening. Now I honestly feel the shooting was justified. I respect everyone's opinion and would like my opinion to be respected as well.

There used to be a saying of "Give peace a chance." Now I hope that people can "Give truth a chance." Wherever the truth falls, it is what we need. Give the investigation a chance.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

BBM-

We are not positive about it being physical, they have stated strong or major, but have not stated physical. It seems like they are greasing the skids, but we can't be sure.

Not sure she should be ashamed about shaming Governor Nixon, since he is a <mod snip>.

-MOO

She is a senator and she is tweeting "EFF YOU Governor" I find that kind of pathetic.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Does anyone else wonder what MB said to the store owner during that confrontation? I sure do.

me!! I just re-watched the videos and wondered the same thing.

 

[popsicle]

I was just catching up here and just had to stop and thank you for this post! Thank you so much!

I've mostly stayed away from commenting because my late husband was a retired LE officer, then had a second career as a warden at our parish correctional facility. He was a good, honorable man. He would tell all of his officers that he was color blind and if they were good officers, they would be also. I've worked in LE as well. The laws encompass everyone. The one thing a good LE officer hates is a bad one. Of course there are some bad ones. There is good and bad in every profession.

I am sorry to see such animosity toward LE these days. Let's say a criminal was breaking into your house and you call 911. Would you not be grateful that LE responded and apprehended that criminal? Can you think of a situation where LE have actually been the 'good guys'?

Please, please do not lump all LE into being bad. At first I did not know what to think of this shooting, so I just kept reading and listening. Now I honestly feel the shooting was justified. I respect everyone's opinion and would like my opinion to be respected as well.

There used to be a saying of "Give peace a chance." Now I hope that people can "Give truth a chance." Wherever the truth falls, it is what we need. Give the investigation a chance.

MOO

Very well said, my friend.

 

[Lovejac]

IA we have 2 conflicting accounts of Wilson's injuries, and both are based on "unnamed sources close to the investigation."

I get the skepticism about how serious those injuries might be, ie, whether or not he sustained a blowout orbital fracture, but to take that skepticism and assert, "I knew it," based on current info seems short sighted to me.

The only thing we know as a "verified" fact is that a physical altercation took place between MB and OW. How do we know this? We know this to be a factual aspect in this incident b/c the lawyers representing MBs family have stated it on more than one occasion (links and quotes provided a number of times). And last night when Parks was on Fox, and the fracture was brought up, I didn't hear him refuting it.

We'll find out soon enough which account is true, but either way, this police officer was assaulted and unless the evidence proves Wilson just decided to pull out his weapon for no reason, the shooting may very well turn out to be justified.

JMO

Eta: as I'm typing I just heard about Sen. nadal's tweets....she should be ashamed, very ashamed.


<mod snip>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/maria-chappelle-nadal-jay-nixon_n_5681744.html

I don't even know what to say

Trash, uncouth, embarassing. She's an elected official? Can anything be done to her for doing this?

I just...........................:gaah: <modsnip> Literally, figuratively ????

 

[bwt42]

We need a fact page.

FACT: Both Dorian Gray and the attorneys involved have agreed there was a robbery at the store.

Maybe MB was not involved in the robbery but thought the store clerk was the robber & he was trying to stop him.

 

[bettybaby00]

NOTE on my edit to yours is contained in the []s

Oh thanks, I didn't even think of that!

wow. I really do not even know what to think of that. Well I do but I don't know how to articulate it responsibly at the moment.

This country is in one sad state if this is how our elected officials behave, and not just behind closed doors, but in public on social media. Just wow.

Yea....stellar example she's setting.

 

[SStarr33]

Not sure if this has been posted--I can't keep up:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ecutors-have-not-spoken-to-darren-wilson-yet/

A family friend of Wilson&#8217;s told The Washington Post that Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket. Ferguson police have said that Wilson&#8217;s face was injured and he needed medical treatment, but they did not go into any detail. On Wednesday night, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III told Fox News that he could not confirm reports that Wilson suffered a fractured eye bone.

 

[bettybaby00]

I was just catching up here and just had to stop and thank you for this post! Thank you so much!

I've mostly stayed away from commenting because my late husband was a retired LE officer, then had a second career as a warden at our parish correctional facility. He was a good, honorable man. He would tell all of his officers that he was color blind and if they were good officers, they would be also. I've worked in LE as well. The laws encompass everyone. The one thing a good LE officer hates is a bad one. Of course there are some bad ones. There is good and bad in every profession.

I am sorry to see such animosity toward LE these days. Let's say a criminal was breaking into your house and you call 911. Would you not be grateful that LE responded and apprehended that criminal? Can you think of a situation where LE have actually been the 'good guys'?

Please, please do not lump all LE into being bad. At first I did not know what to think of this shooting, so I just kept reading and listening. Now I honestly feel the shooting was justified. I respect everyone's opinion and would like my opinion to be respected as well.

There used to be a saying of "Give peace a chance." Now I hope that people can "Give truth a chance." Wherever the truth falls, it is what we need. Give the investigation a chance.

MOO

BBM

Well said!

 

[Lovejac]

WOW! That sounds exactly what perpetrators of domestic abuse say :facepalm:

How dare that storekeeper try to prevent someone from stealing from him?

But we ONLY have video of what happened in the store. We don't have video of what happened outside....if we did, there would be no controversy (I think). I don't know...now I am hearing there have been 2 different versions of the store video? I've only seen one. And in the one I saw, MB only pushes the shopowner after the shopowner tries to block the door and keep him from going outside. So what was the shopowner thinking?! Why didn't he just let MB and his friends go and call police on them, rather than put himself in danger by trying to block the door? So by his actions, wasn't the shopowner putting himself in that position to where he got shoved?

Yes, MB did wrong thing in the store (robbery, stealing, and subsequent pushing), we all know that.

But if he was so big and bad, why didn't he take a gun with him? If he knew he and friends were going to do robbery, if he really had wanted to, couldn't he have gotten a gun and gone in armed?

IDK. There are many people, a lot of them young, who steal things all the time from places like Wal-Mart, Target, and other big stores. Do they all deserve to be gunned down in the street?

 

[DebinGA]

She is a senator and she is tweeting "EFF YOU Governor" I find that kind of pathetic.

Her campaign site lists "School Mentor" among her activities.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe MB was not involved in the robbery but thought the store clerk was the robber & he was trying to stop him.

MB KNEW the clerk worked there. And MB was the one carrying stolen merchandise, not the clerk.

 

[Lovejac]

Maybe MB was not involved in the robbery but thought the store clerk was the robber & he was trying to stop him.

:waitasec: What?

 

[William N]

This is what I said days ago too. MB knew very well that the cop was armed, and I don't for a minute think he assaulted the cop. There's a huge difference between strong arming a much smaller, unarmed shopkeeper and assaulting a known-to-be-armed cop.



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IMO MB was very accustomed to throwing his (considerable) weight around. I don't think MB's assault on the store clerk was the first time he had done such a thing by a long shot.

Also, MB was NOT "unarmed." A belligerent 300 pounder can use his body as a weapon.

 

[Lovejac]

Her campaign site lists "School Mentor" among her activities.

Well, there's one good thing about the start of school being delayed

 

[William N]

wow so the guy who was shot just robbed a store? This is the first I am reading about this, I will have to go back and catch up.

IMO there are a LOT of things you won't learn from the "mainstream media."

 

[popsicle]

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[DebinGA]

Not sure if this has been posted--I can't keep up:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ecutors-have-not-spoken-to-darren-wilson-yet/.

Lots of fodder for discussion there, for instance:

"Dorian Johnson, 22, who was with Brown and said he witnessed the shooting, has claimed that Wilson instigated the confrontation, pulling up to the pair in his police cruiser and telling them to get out of the middle of the street."

Canfield Drive looks like a relatively narrow 2-lane street. Assuming MB and DJ were moseying along in the middle of the street side-by-side, what alternative did Ofc. Wilson have than pulling up very close to where they were standing? The lying <mod snip> DJ claims DW "bumped" them, but DJ is a lying <mod snip> imo.