MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[Phoebeb]

I would think if he still was crouching behind a car that OW would have called him out from behind it and kept him there to be interviewed at the least.
Running sounds about right...moo

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I know, was wondering how he could leave the shooting scene casually, just stand up and run home after mb got shot? By then there were witnesses that would have seen that I would think. Who knows, maybe they did see him run and if the two people in the Monte Carlo were real, they would hopefully have talked to police. Btw, didn't I hear him say he asked them for a ride but they said no? I think he was scared of his involvements earlier in the day and fled

 

[katydid23]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia? Even if he said No, does that warrant him being shot?

In that case, Justin Beiber should have been taken out years ago - look how many times he has gotten away with being disrespectful to police officers, and people in general.

JMO.

OF COURSE NOT. No reason he should have died. If they had just continued in the road they probably would have been detained for blocking traffic. No big thing. But there was the problem of those pesky cigarillos.

The ONLY thing that warrants the lethal use of force by the cop was IF he felt he was fighting for his own safety. And if that kid shoved the cop into the car, and punched him in the face, and then they struggled over the gun----end of story. You cannot try and take a cops weapon from him and expect not to be in a life and death struggle. jmo

As for Bieber, my husband has offered to kill him several times. :wink:

 

[Muffet]

Doesn't it make more sense that after Wilson started off (after he told them to get off the street), he heard the BOLO or whatever it was, heard the description of the boys, realized that they were the same boys, and then backed back up to them?

In that case, the second time Wilson would have encountered them, he would have already had in his mind that this guys are "thugs" and had a much stronger attitude the second time around.

I just think the true story is somewhere in between what Wilson says (through the caller) and what DJ says.

JMO.

BBM
Bingo. IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Were there any calls to 911 released?

Any *new* news today???


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[gngr~snap]

Actually, what you just said is the same thing that Wilson is 'rumored' to say. And I am sure he did have a much stronger attitude the 2nd time. But I simply dont believe Dorians version, that he backed up, and instantly grabbed this 6.ft4 inch hulk by the neck with his left hand, and tried to pull him into the car window? Does that make any sense at all?

I think it is much more likely that he did back up, and ask about the cigarillos, and Big Mike went up and shoved him back in the car and punched him in the face. That is way more believable, imo. Especially after seeing the video from 10 minutes earlier. He was a very intimidating, aggressive guy.

And he had a lot to lose. Especially if he did have a juvenile record. Which we are waiting to confirm.

This makes sense. He had hoped to knock OW out and leave the scene. Maybe OW grabbed him after he punched him? That makes sense too.

This guy online sounds like the sandwich king on food network... I'm hungry!!! Chicago...

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[Linda7NJ]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia?

JMO.

People are shot for just walking down the street in Saudi Arabia?????






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[aa9511]

Actually, what you just said is the same thing that Wilson is 'rumored' to say. And I am sure he did have a much stronger attitude the 2nd time. But I simply dont believe Dorians version, that he backed up, and instantly grabbed this 6.ft4 inch hulk by the neck with his left hand, and tried to pull him into the car window? Does that make any sense at all?

I think it is much more likely that he did back up, and ask about the cigarillos, and Big Mike went up and shoved him back in the car and punched him in the face. That is way more believable, imo. Especially after seeing the video from 10 minutes earlier. He was a very intimidating, aggressive guy.

And he had a lot to lose. Especially if he did have a juvenile record. Which we are waiting to confirm.

"ask about the cigarillos" - I'm sure he did that in such a polite way.

 

[aa9511]

But Justin Beiber didn't assault a police officer.

That we know of. And probably no police officer has cursed at him or spoken "down" to him.

We don't know what it's like for someone in authority to speak down to you, unless you've been through it. I don't know how I would react.

I don't think either side is completely innocent in this, I think both sides did wrong things. But in the end, it was one who ended up dead.

 

[katydid23]

IMO, someone definately provoked someone else, starting an altercation which ended up in the tragedy that happened. Why would MB start out provoking Officer Wilson?
1. Police officer - black males are taught to be careful around police officers, MB's father himself said on Anderson Cooper that he had many conversations with MB about how to deal with police officers, b/c of MB's size and stature (PO's would think he is older than he actually was).
2. He had stolen merchandise - why would he want to provoke OW and risk being caught with the stolen merchandise?

IDK, it just doesn't add up to me.
JMO.

But Dorian already ADMITTED that they started out provoking the cop. He drove by and asked them to get out of the road, and they said NO, We are almost home, gonna keep on ....So looks like MB did NOT Take his dad's advice about being careful around cops.

He had the stolen merchandise and he could have quietly, furtively, made his way back to grandmas. But they apparently walked down the center of the road, illegally, blocking traffic, and then denied the cops request to go walk on the side.

So although it makes no sense to you, we can see it happened that way at the very beginning. MB WAS calling attention to himself, while carrying the stolen cigs, and was cocky enough to defy the cops order to get out of the middle of the road.

Now MAYBE, he suddenly became very polite and respectful, and just walked to the cops window to apologize to him..but...:facepalm:

 

[Phoebeb]

Exactly, so walking in the middle of a street puts you at risk of getting shot by police? Are we living in Saudi Arabia?

JMO.

Right, so why not move to the side of the road when you see a police car approaching on your own to avoid a confrontation with a cop to begin with? Then why argue with the cop as to why you're not moving out of the road as you're holding stolen cigars? It started with a careless defiant attitude. If he had listened to his dad, he would have just said, yes sir and moved. IMO

 

[katydid23]

"ask about the cigarillos" - I'm sure he did that in such a polite way.

It doesn't matter if he was polite or not. The guy stole them and then grabbed a lil old clerk by the neck and threw him up against the wall. Does he deserve a polite request about the stolen cigs?

By the way, it took 50 seconds from start to finish. So I doubt the cop had too much time to be rude or condescending. He was fighting for his own life about 20 or 30 seconds in, I believe.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

So I think all or most accounts from either side agree that this was roughly the chain of events:

- Initial contact in street
- Officer pulling away
- Officer backing up
- Verbal Exchange
- Physical Altercation
- Shot Fired In Car
- Michael/Dorian run
- Officer exits vehicle
- Shots fired to arms
- Shots fired to head.

I think these are things which there are significant differences or info lacking:

- Whether DW knew about store incident
- Initial Words exchanged
- Door bouncing back on officer vs. being pushed back on officer
- DW trying to pull MB in the window vs. MB trying to get officer's gun
- Any subsequent verbal exchange
- What direction Brown was facing
- Whether his hands were up
- Distance between DW and MB at various times
- Where D was at various times throughout


I also wonder sometimes about things that could seem like differences, but really may just be mixups, or differing perceptions in a fast moving situation. Consider if Dorian heard this phrase, and OW thought he heard it differently:

MB (as Dorian hears it): Run, man! This f'n dude's gonna shoot me!
MB (as DW hears it): Run! Man, what you gonna do, shoot me?

 

[aa9511]

He didn't get shot because he was walking in the middle of the street.

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?

IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

 

[TexanMom]

That we know of. And probably no police officer has cursed at him or spoken "down" to him.

We don't know what it's like for someone in authority to speak down to you, unless you've been through it. I don't know how I would react.

I don't think either side is completely innocent in this, I think both sides did wrong things. But in the end, it was one who ended up dead.

If I was suspected of strong armed robbery and taunting a cop, I sure as hell would be expecting to be talked down to! Explain to me why you feel DW should have handled this guy with "polite" words?

 

[katydid23]

That we know of. And probably no police officer has cursed at him or spoken "down" to him.

We don't know what it's like for someone in authority to speak down to you, unless you've been through it. I don't know how I would react.

I don't think either side is completely innocent in this, I think both sides did wrong things. But in the end, it was one who ended up dead.

I might not be a very 'objective' witness to this situation. Because I have had people who were bigger and stronger than me, thus holding the power, speak down to me and be rude and even vile. But they were some of the kids I tutored in South Central. So maybe that is why I have NO PROBLEM believing that this kid could have assaulted the cop. I have seen that kind of teen violence up close and personal.

 

[Dana]

Were there any calls to 911 released?

Any *new* news today???


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Funny you should ask....

forgive me if this has been posted already.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...ooting-reportedly-has-warrant-out-for-arrest/

 

[katydid23]

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?

IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

He probably was not polite to the kids. Big deal. They were blocking traffic, refusing his orders to step on the side and carrying stolen merchandise. Why would he be polite?

That kid was punching the cop in the face, according to many sources, including the Brown atty. Was he doing that because the cop wasn't polite enough?

 

[Linda7NJ]

That we know of. And probably no police officer has cursed at him or spoken "down" to him.

We don't know what it's like for someone in authority to speak down to you, unless you've been through it. I don't know how I would react.

I don't think either side is completely innocent in this, I think both sides did wrong things. But in the end, it was one who ended up dead.

Are you kidding me?
Is bet there isn't a person on the planet that hasn't, at one time or another, been spoken down to by someone in a position of authority over them.

Parents, teachers, police, bosses. The list goes on and on.
Everyone knows...Or should know...how to appropriately deal with a grievance and in what venue....or have enough sense to shut up and deal with it? If that's what's in your best interest at the time.

That's life. It isn't always fair. Grow up & take responsibility for yourself and your behaviors. The way a person handles it, is up to them. They make the choice.

All IMO




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[Apollo]

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?



IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

He got shot for getting into a physical altercation with Wilson that escalated. That's a fact----even the Brown family attorney has stated that much.

 

[teedie2]

Know what ya mean, Muffet..Took a couple years sabbatical myself.. Seldom use auto-correct.. Seems, tapatalk and auto-correct may be my worst enema..

I just have to say this: ROFLOL!!!!!