MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[aa9511]

OF COURSE NOT. No reason he should have died. If they had just continued in the road they probably would have been detained for blocking traffic. No big thing. But there was the problem of those pesky cigarillos.

The ONLY thing that warrants the lethal use of force by the cop was IF he felt he was fighting for his own safety. And if that kid shoved the cop into the car, and punched him in the face, and then they struggled over the gun----end of story. You cannot try and take a cops weapon from him and expect not to be in a life and death struggle. jmo

As for Bieber, my husband has offered to kill him several times. :wink:

BBM

I agree. Maybe it will turn out, in the end, that legally Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. But what about morally? I still think that OW provoked MB, in the least, verbally. As I said in another post, we don't know what it's like to be a Black male (unless you are one). We don't know what it would feel like to be "spoken down" to, if that is what happened. Of course, OW is not going to say, yes, I spoke down to him because he's a Black (maybe that's what was in his mind).

LOL the part about Bieber!

JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?

IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

You're given Brown some benefit of doubt because he was so polite to the shopkeeper? The shopkeeper provoked him???

What am I even reading ???? SMH


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[Dana]

BBM

I agree. Maybe it will turn out, in the end, that legally Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. But what about morally? I still think that OW provoked MB, in the least, verbally. As I said in another post, we don't know what it's like to be a Black male (unless you are one). We don't know what it would feel like to be "spoken down" to, if that is what happened. Of course, OW is not going to say, yes, I spoke down to him because he's a Black (maybe that's what was in his mind).

LOL the part about Bieber!

JMO.

Let me get this straight, you think that if an officer talks down to you it's perfectly ok to punch him in the face? Maybe even grab for his gun????

 

[Linda7NJ]

Let me get this straight, you think that if an officer talks down to you it's perfectly ok to punch him in the face? Maybe even grab for his gun????

Heavy sigh....I am right there with ya....still just shaking my head...


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[tlcya]

Thank You. well thought out post.

Also, no mention of the initial verbal interaction. Why does the cop suddenly and without provocation, reach out his car window and grab a huge muscular teen by the neck?

And no mention of MB ever hitting the cop. Only says that MB is trying hard to 'break free.' That makes me doubt this version. Wilson is not nearly as big and strong as MB. Why would he put himself in such a vulnerable position, as grabbing the teen by his throat and 'try to pull him into the car.' That makes zero sense to me.

Thank you. I agree. Without any evidence or even suggestion that DW was heavy handed, racists or power abusive, I cannot believe DJ's account of how things happened. Add to that his ever evolving account based on what information has been released on any given day and stick a fork in me. I am done with him.

IF there was some horrible racists skeleton in DW's closet you can bet your bippy that Crump and associates would be all over the news screaming it from the rooftops. They aren't. Which to me is a pretty doggone good indicator NOTHING of the sort exists.

DJ's initial tale is heavy on self serving and super light on sense. MOO

 

[aa9511]

People are shot for just walking down the street in Saudi Arabia?????


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Lol...sorry for the stereotype, I am just exxagerating current stereotypes of Saudi Arabia. Forgive me, I have sinned.

 

[Apollo]

BBM

I agree. Maybe it will turn out, in the end, that legally Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. But what about morally? I still think that OW provoked MB, in the least, verbally. As I said in another post, we don't know what it's like to be a Black male (unless you are one). We don't know what it would feel like to be "spoken down" to, if that is what happened. Of course, OW is not going to say, yes, I spoke down to him because he's a Black (maybe that's what was in his mind).

LOL the part about Bieber!

JMO.

That store owner sure knows what it's like to be "spoken down" to----courtesy of MB.

 

[katydid23]

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?

IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

BBM

Yep, pretty much. I think the cop thought he's detain them, search them while waiting for back up. But you do know there was a witness on the Black Canseco video, that said that MB 'bum rushed' the cop, right? And a couple of witnesses said MB was leaning into the car making punching movements. And this was within SECONDS of the cop backing up the car.

So YES. I'd say your description up above is pretty accurate. But you skipped the part where he punched him in the face. Reportedly, MB had a somewhat serious juvenile record, and if that is true, then it would make sense that he'd try and blindside the cop and get away.

I doubt the kid PLANNED to go for the weapon, but once he started punching the cop in the face, the cop likely grabbed it himself first. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Prof. Parcells said a wound on Brown’s right arm was “consistent with a witness statement” that Brown was first shot while facing away from Wilson, but he stressed that he and Dr. Baden could not determine conclusively the trajectories of the bullets that hit Brown—or which direction he was moving—when he was shot. The wounds “could be consistent with going forward or going backward,” Dr. Baden said.

You believe he was running backwards away from officer Wilson?


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[Muffet]

JMO, but I see nothing in the incident or in officer Wilson's past or current profile that would give me a reason to believe he was or must in any way have been rude.

At least not gratuitously. i.e., I guess if you have just clued in that a couple of guys who just blew you off (when you asked for a no-brainer request to simply get out of the middle of the road) fit the description of the BOLO for a robbery (which, unlike burglary requires aggressive or threatening behavior), your stopping and coming back to detain or arrest them could be interpreted as provocative or rude if you've got the evidence of your crime in your hand.

That's just not my idea of gratuitously provocative, nor could it be construed as even halfway blame worthy.

It seems to me that to make such an assumption, one would have to give all the slack one could find (based on his dad's advice) to MB, while giving none to officer Wilson, for no reason other than... Just because?

 

[katydid23]

BBM

I agree. Maybe it will turn out, in the end, that legally Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. But what about morally? I still think that OW provoked MB, in the least, verbally. As I said in another post, we don't know what it's like to be a Black male (unless you are one). We don't know what it would feel like to be "spoken down" to, if that is what happened. Of course, OW is not going to say, yes, I spoke down to him because he's a Black (maybe that's what was in his mind).

LOL the part about Bieber!

JMO.

I dont know if you know that much about officer Wilson. He is only 28 yrs old himself. His mom died when he was 16. She was in and out of jail for theft and fraud. He had a very hard life. He grew up in the St Louis area. His friends said he is not a racist in any way shape or form. He is a compassionate guy that knows what its like to be poor. So I just dont believe he fits the narrative that you have in your head. Which is an valid one, but not for this particular case.

And my kids are mixed race so I totally understand what you are trying to say. But I dont think this case is an example that fits.

I like that we agree on Bieber though. :slap:

 

[gngr~snap]

Clearing out of the middle of the street when ANY car is approaching.
Yes, the pedestrian has the right of way and if they choose not to move to the sidewalk, where they should be in the first place... Who is the provoker? The driver of the car?

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[tlcya]

SO IF Mike Mike (as is his friendly name of the last few days) was provoked by a less than conciliatory officer of the law and IF Mike Mike decided to "tussle" with him through the open window of his assigned LE vehicle, and IF the officer decided he was threatened and having none of that, he is STILL morally wrong?? Seriously?

I don't even know how to respond to that.

I don't know what it's like to be a black male. This is true. But if being a black male means you get a bye as some seem to be suggesting on behaving with common decency, respecting the laws everyone else is expected to follow while being taxpaying law abiding citizens and treating authority figures with respect maybe I should look into signing up? WTH?

 

[tlcya]

Prof Parcells?? Yep time to go to bed. Still this bs is perpetuated?

 

[gngr~snap]

MB had his hands under him.
He was also layed out on his belly face down.
He was facing towards the police vehicle.
I wonder how inertia works in this case. He had to be diving toward OW in order to land like he did after that shot to his head.

Had he been standing there with his hands over his his head, the location and trajectory of the bullet would have been different and he would have crumpled into the ground maybe? I don't know, he had a good bit of upper body weight.
I guess we may hear about this later.

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[Linda7NJ]

Damn, wasnt one shot enough! Sickening, feel for the parents and only them.

Apparently not, the first shot didn't stop him... The first shot happened in the vehicle...that didn't stop Brown...none of the shots to his arm stopped he either. It took two shots to the head to end the threat. IMO


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[Muffet]

He didn't? So what did he get shot for? Did he get shot for the robbery?

Or are we to believe that an officer simply asked him nicely to step aside, and he ended up attacking the officer like a pit bull and trying to get the officer's gun to shoot the officer?

Does that sound more likely?

IMO, both scenarios are far-fetched.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, as I said before, I don't think either side is completely innocent in this.

JMO.

I don't know about the gun, but I find it more than believable. I have an acquaintance who reacted this way all three times she's been confronted by a cop and even when asked nicely (my friend is the witness) to put her hands behind her back, goes "pit bull", then cries police brutality.

(this is a mid-upper class white female. She was guilty every time, by her own admission, and deserved worse than she got for her assaults on others who made her angry.)

 

[aa9511]

But Dorian already ADMITTED that they started out provoking the cop. He drove by and asked them to get out of the road, and they said NO, We are almost home, gonna keep on ....So looks like MB did NOT Take his dad's advice about being careful around cops.

He had the stolen merchandise and he could have quietly, furtively, made his way back to grandmas. But they apparently walked down the center of the road, illegally, blocking traffic, and then denied the cops request to go walk on the side.

So although it makes no sense to you, we can see it happened that way at the very beginning. MB WAS calling attention to himself, while carrying the stolen cigs, and was cocky enough to defy the cops order to get out of the middle of the road.

Now MAYBE, he suddenly became very polite and respectful, and just walked to the cops window to apologize to him..but...:facepalm:

IMO, Dorian was/is leaving out parts of the story to minimize his own involvement in the cigarillos theft. We have to see things from his perspective - for all he knows, he could get thrown in jail tomorrow for being part of the robbery. YKWIM? Even with all of the attention on MB's death, but still, in his mind, the government is still out there and thus the risk that he could get thrown in jail. It makes sense that he would want to minimize that part of the story (things involving the cigarillos). Sorry, I don't know if I'm spelling cigarillos right or not. Does that make sense?

In earlier post, you said yourself that OW drove off, then backed up again. IMO, he backed up once he figured out that the 2 were involved in the cigarillos theft, NOT b/c they weren't getting out of the street. Even after they supposedly said "No," he had still driven away. So why would them supposedly saying "No," have caused him to drive away, but then change his mind and suddenly back up again?

He came back b/c of connecting them with the theft. IMO. Then he said some choice words to them. IMO.

 

[aa9511]

Right, so why not move to the side of the road when you see a police car approaching on your own to avoid a confrontation with a cop to begin with? Then why argue with the cop as to why you're not moving out of the road as you're holding stolen cigars? It started with a careless defiant attitude. If he had listened to his dad, he would have just said, yes sir and moved. IMO

Yes, agreed, he could have done things very differently and he would not have gotten shot. Sigh

But that's like with anything, anybody who does something defiant or talks back or whatever....we wouldn't do it, so we don't understand why other people do it. But people do, people make mistakes, people don't always follow the line or follow the rules. It doesn't mean they should get shot. I know, this is not why MB got shot, but right now, frankly, we don't know why he got shot. And his "defiant" attitude is apparently what led up to him being shot.

JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think the point is - since there is no video, none of us can make judgements about what did or did not happen, what may or may not have happened.

I have to say that I am very disappointed in that I keep reading posts which claim things (that went on between Wilson and MB) as facts, without giving any links for any kind of proof. Are some people privy to more information than others? If so, I would like to also see this information, whatever that is.

For example, many people stating as fact that MB reached into the vehicle and assaulted Wilson - is there any proof to back this up, or are people just claiming it's fact because of the radio caller who called in to tell Wilson's side of the story? So just because Officer Wilson or someone from his camp says it's true, that makes it true?

I am getting very confused by all of this. If it's not proveable fact, can posters please add JMO or something like that to their posts, so that we know what is fact and what is not? TIA.

The links have been repeatedly provided.


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