MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[gngr~snap]

I guess if I hadn't seen the video of MB going physically aggressive against that tiny shop keeper for having the gall to interfere with MB's robbing of him, I might wonder if the officer provoked him into going pit bull.

As it is, clearly, MB didn't require anything other than interfering with his criminal activities to go pit bull on someone.

So I still see no reason to assume that officer Wilson was culpable in any way. It smacks of making a stretch to shift at least some of the blame for a death on him. It eats at me, because it's unfair, imo.



Moving on, does anyone know about, or have a link to the information I saw referenced in passing about a YouTube video of MB with all the ingredients for some sort of homemade drug? It might be the "purple" something or Surrzup something...

I'm not up to stuff on my illicit drug education.

Aside from the YouTube video, I know people said there were photos of these items left at MB's memorial site too.

I would like to pursue that, since it could go to MB's being provoked. Wilson's friend (I know not a great source) said that Wilson said MB was acting like he was on something.

I'm too impatient to wait for the complete toxicology report.

Sizzurp?
Purple drank?
http://t.today.com/news/whats-sizzurp-dangerous-way-kids-get-high-2D11976739
http://www.vice.com/read/sizzurp-is-the-new-quaalude
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[Muffet]

How does that quote go, about rhetorical devices to minimize bad behavior?

Something like "A mistake is handing me lemonade instead of ice water. Pouring it on my head is something entirely different."

 

[katydid23]

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BBM

LOL - at least we agree on something!!

I DO have a case I just heard about that illustrates what you are saying. My daughter is 22 and her good friend told me a nightmare encounter he had with the LA County Sheriffs. I think they should have been demoted or fired.

This 23 yr old, intelligent, law abiding handsome young black man was all excited for a date he was going on. He lives in Santa Monica area, which is pretty diverse. And the cops are well trained so he never had bad experiences there. But this night he was going to the 'midnight movie' and picking up a girl he met at community college. She lived with her parents in Malibu.

Bodhi, which is his nickname, was driving his very nice Mustang convertible. He works at the Ford Dealership as a computer tech/mechanic so he has a very nice newer model car. He was driving up in a canyon off Pacific Coast Highway, looking for the correct home, so he was driving slowly and looking at addresses. Finally he got close to the right address and was getting ready to park on the street. Suddenly a squad car pulls up and begins barking orders from a megahorn thing. GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE. NOW LAY DOWN ON YOUR STOMACH!

Bodhi is thinking WTH? I am going to get my new clothes all dirty lying in the street. And then a few people were coming out on their porches and looking. And he sees the girl he is coming to pick up for their date. She and her parents are watching him being forced onto the pavement.

And both cops were very rude and condescending, asking where he got the car, and where he was going. He was trying to tell them but it took awhile. There were paper plates on the car so the cops thought it might have been stolen. But they did not give him the courtesy to have a normal conversation. He was directed to lie face down in the street. For no reason. He was so humiliated and angry and embarrassed. The date was very awkward he said. It was pathetic and I felt so badly about it.

Here you have an educated, hard working, law abiding young black man, and he was treated so harshly and unfairly, it is maddening. :furious:

 

[Muffet]

bbm

The bolded is why she hasn't been shot already.

Nope. She hasn't been shot because she's too scrawny to be a real threat to the arresting officers.

I guarantee you that she'd be shot if she were the size of a linebacker and assaulting them no matter what color she was.
I think this blaming it on race does a disservice to everyone.

(It also is against the TOS and got a lot of people's posts removed last night, just so you're forewarned.)

 

[aa9511]

Call them what they are IMO.
Blunt wraps -cut, gut, roll, lick, light, puff, puff, pass...
Seriously what cigar smoker buys that many Swisher Sweets at one time? Cuban cigars? Yes. Swishers nu uh..

Sad... I saw Swisher Sweet blunt directions in Pintrest of all places! Then again... Depends on where you live.
I know plenty of people who partake and they are peaceful people. (kinda jealous) I am high anxiety 24/7.

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now THIS is the most useful POST OF THE DAY. Thank you!

 

[Muffet]

Sizzurp?
Purple drank?
http://t.today.com/news/whats-sizzurp-dangerous-way-kids-get-high-2D11976739
http://www.vice.com/read/sizzurp-is-the-new-quaalude
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Yes! Thanks, gngr. I'll see if I can find the video tomorrow. I'm about done in.

 

[aa9511]

Right, but we moved our tutoring center to the conference room RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the campus police station. There were armed cops there, and some of these kids still reacted violently. I have seen them kick and punch the armed officers, who were trying to break up fights.

'Kids' these days are a lot more physically aggressive than back in the day, imo.

But God Bless you, you were still tutoring and trying to help.

 

[aa9511]

defiant, confrontational, boundary issues, intimidation...
Be it school with a teacher, at a football game with an off duty officer watching the parking lot, the guy cleaning the toilet at the local drive thru... I see disrespect period.
Most don't give a hoot. Those kids don't get very far in life either. I just realized they are the ones with the "Legacy. com pages. They can't act like that and make it in society.
What I do not understand is how did they get that way? WHO failed them???
Moo

Lol. I was at a party about 2 years ago. I watched a group smoking. Maybe 10 people and 3 blunts? wow. Two puffs and I would need 911 (I am allergic, it messes with my central nervous system big time!) Those guys could put away some pot! Oh well HVAC certificate from the trade school/college is basically unemployable without a clean urine test. Wiring a home for electricity and pot don't mix. When they do, sometimes it all goes up in smoke!

I guess I said it like "duck, duck, goose"!

I have to stop the puff talk! I stopped smoking Jan 9 this year AMD suddenly I am having a nic fit! Grrr....

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I wanna go to the parties you go to.

 

[gngr~snap]

I DO have a case I just heard about that illustrates what you are saying. My daughter is 22 and her good friend told me a nightmare encounter he had with the LA County Sheriffs. I think they should have been demoted or fired.

This 23 yr old, intelligent, law abiding handsome young black man was all excited for a date he was going on. He lives in Santa Monica area, which is pretty diverse. And the cops are well trained so he never had bad experiences there. But this night he was going to the 'midnight movie' and picking up a girl he met at community college. She lived with her parents in Malibu.

Bodhi, which is his nickname, was driving his very nice Mustang convertible. He works at the Ford Dealership as a computer tech/mechanic so he has a very nice newer model car. He was driving up in a canyon off Pacific Coast Highway, looking for the correct home, so he was driving slowly and looking at addresses. Finally he got close to the right address and was getting ready to park on the street. Suddenly a squad car pulls up and begins barking orders from a megahorn thing. GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE. NOW LAY DOWN ON YOUR STOMACH!

Bodhi is thinking WTH? I am going to get my new clothes all dirty lying in the street. And then a few people were coming out on their porches and looking. And he sees the girl he is coming to pick up for their date. She and her parents are watching him being forced onto the pavement.

And both cops were very rude and condescending, asking where he got the car, and where he was going. He was trying to tell them but it took awhile. There were paper plates on the car so the cops thought it might have been stolen. But they did not give him the courtesy to have a normal conversation. He was directed to lie face down in the street. For no reason. He was so humiliated and angry and embarrassed. The date was very awkward he said. It was pathetic and I felt so badly about it.

Here you have an educated, hard working, law abiding young black man, and he was treated so harshly and unfairly, it is maddening. :furious:

This is a prime example of why it might be a good idea to have the old celly telly fully charged and hit record...
Would it have picked up the entire thing? Maybe if it was in his pocket. I don't know how I feel about the whole dashcam thing, but AI do know if I was a young black teen/man I would want an audio recording of every interaction I had with LE. Perhaps even telling them your are being recorded... I have heard too many stories. I have witnessed it myself as my husband is mixed. -and adopted so he doesn't even know who is who!
Olive complexion, hazel eyes and used to have ringlets like Tubbs from "Miami Vice"...

Lol. I changed my avatar. This was taken right after Noah and his ark dried out!

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[aa9511]

How does that quote go, about rhetorical devices to minimize bad behavior?

Something like "A mistake is handing me lemonade instead of ice water. Pouring it on my head is something entirely different."

Actually, pouring it on someone's head might be the "cool" thing to do nowadays with the ALS benefit thing going on.

 

[katydid23]

This is a prime example of why it might be a good idea to have the old celly telly fully charged and hit record...
Would it have picked up the entire thing? Maybe if it was in his pocket. I don't know how I feel about the whole dashcam thing, but AI do know if I was a young black teen/man I would want an audio recording of every interaction I had with LE. Perhaps even telling them your are being recorded... I have heard too many stories. I have witnessed it myself as my husband is mixed. -and adopted so he doesn't even know who is who!
Olive complexion, hazel eyes and used to have ringlets like Tubbs from "Miami Vice"...


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Yes. I wish he had recorded it somehow. He had an attorney contact LACS about the incident and they had it on their dashcam apparently, and said they broke no regulations and followed protocol. They said there was a call about a prowler so they used due diligence. It is just sad though.

PS- Your hubby sounds cute. I loved Tubbs. lol

ETA: Just saw new avatar--very handsome, old school pic. lol

 

[katydid23]

Actually, pouring it on someone's head might be the "cool" thing to do nowadays with the ALS benefit thing going on.

Someone called my husband out on the challenge so we are thinking about our options. Both our kids have volunteered to dump the water on him, lol.

 

[Muffet]

This is a prime example of why it might be a good idea to have the old celly telly fully charged and hit record...
Would it have picked up the entire thing? Maybe if it was in his pocket. I don't know how I feel about the whole dashcam thing, but AI do know if I was a young black teen/man I would want an audio recording of every interaction I had with LE. Perhaps even telling them your are being recorded... I have heard too many stories. I have witnessed it myself as my husband is mixed. -and adopted so he doesn't even know who is who!
Olive complexion, hazel eyes and used to have ringlets like Tubbs from "Miami Vice"...


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The chief said that they had gotten a federal grant and used it to purchase dash cams and body cams. They have been waiting for the money to install and implement the system. I will look up the link tomorrow, if no one finds it first. It should come back with a Google search.


IIUC, The department had a poor history, but the current chief was hired to fix the problems and has done a respectable job.

I think it's worth noting that the media has had to go back 5 years to find anything bad about the department. In fact, I believe it was that article that told us about their hiring of the current chief.

(link was on the previous thread. I'll try to dig it up also, if no one else can before I get back. I'm going to bed.

Goodnight everyone.

 

[aa9511]

I DO have a case I just heard about that illustrates what you are saying. My daughter is 22 and her good friend told me a nightmare encounter he had with the LA County Sheriffs. I think they should have been demoted or fired.

This 23 yr old, intelligent, law abiding handsome young black man was all excited for a date he was going on. He lives in Santa Monica area, which is pretty diverse. And the cops are well trained so he never had bad experiences there. But this night he was going to the 'midnight movie' and picking up a girl he met at community college. She lived with her parents in Malibu.

Bodhi, which is his nickname, was driving his very nice Mustang convertible. He works at the Ford Dealership as a computer tech/mechanic so he has a very nice newer model car. He was driving up in a canyon off Pacific Coast Highway, looking for the correct home, so he was driving slowly and looking at addresses. Finally he got close to the right address and was getting ready to park on the street. Suddenly a squad car pulls up and begins barking orders from a megahorn thing. GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE. NOW LAY DOWN ON YOUR STOMACH!

Bodhi is thinking WTH? I am going to get my new clothes all dirty lying in the street. And then a few people were coming out on their porches and looking. And he sees the girl he is coming to pick up for their date. She and her parents are watching him being forced onto the pavement.

And both cops were very rude and condescending, asking where he got the car, and where he was going. He was trying to tell them but it took awhile. There were paper plates on the car so the cops thought it might have been stolen. But they did not give him the courtesy to have a normal conversation. He was directed to lie face down in the street. For no reason. He was so humiliated and angry and embarrassed. The date was very awkward he said. It was pathetic and I felt so badly about it.

Here you have an educated, hard working, law abiding young black man, and he was treated so harshly and unfairly, it is maddening. :furious:

OMG. That is terrible. I can't even imagine. And especially to have his date and her parents witness all of that??! Omg.

So if this guy got treated that way, imagine what someone like Michael Brown would get treated like?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Muffet]

Actually, pouring it on someone's head might be the "cool" thing to do nowadays with the ALS benefit thing going on.

:lol: :thumbup:

 

[aa9511]

This is a prime example of why it might be a good idea to have the old celly telly fully charged and hit record...
Would it have picked up the entire thing? Maybe if it was in his pocket. I don't know how I feel about the whole dashcam thing, but AI do know if I was a young black teen/man I would want an audio recording of every interaction I had with LE. Perhaps even telling them your are being recorded... I have heard too many stories. I have witnessed it myself as my husband is mixed. -and adopted so he doesn't even know who is who!
Olive complexion, hazel eyes and used to have ringlets like Tubbs from "Miami Vice"...

Lol. I changed my avatar. This was taken right after Noah and his ark dried out!

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Your husband sounds dreamy.

 

[aa9511]

someone called my husband out on the challenge so we are thinking about our options. Both our kids have volunteered to dump the water on him, lol.

lol!!

 

[katydid23]

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bbm

Everyone makes mistakes. We are all humans. Every single person who is in prison has made a mistake, if there validly. They have all broken the law. Doesn't mean we can execute them all.

In less serious matters, we make mistakes every day as humans, most of us do. Doesn't mean we are bad people or don't deserve to live.

We humans don't always all follow rules and follow the line.

I don't think ANYONE HERE believes MB 'deserved' to die that day. I don't think he deserved to die. But he set a disaster in motion, and I don't fault the officer for reacting with lethal force. It was a perfect storm of horrible circumstances. But the aggressor was MB, imo.

 

[aa9511]

Off to bed now too. I respect what all of you say. We each come from different backgrounds, different life experiences, etc.. That is why we have the jury system in the U.S., after all. It's why the judges always say, after these trials, that we should respect the jury's decision. The judge in the Grant Hayes and Amanda Hayes trials, Judge Stephens I think, would always word this in the best way I've heard.

Of course, I will wait to see what the evidence shows. And I will be open to changing my view completely should the evidence take me in that direction. I would hope we will all keep our minds open until all the evidence comes in.

Goodnight everyone!

 

[mdana]

Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away. Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead. Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. <mod snip>

Not disagreeing with your post, just expanding on a crucial point I think is being missed or ignored by many posters. We don't know how many bullets were fired. The fact that all of the bullets that struck MB seem to be while MB was facing DW do not mean DW did not shot while MB was fleeing. At least 2 bullets were taken from surrounding buildings according to reports I have read, but can't locate at the current time. They could have hit MB first, but we don't know how many bullets were fired at this point. We should not be calling eyewitnesses liars based only on this "contradiction," because they allege DW fired while MB was fleeing.