MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[Muffet]

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Thanks for my new avatar! :loveyou:

(I had to do the crop and upload from my phone, so can't tell if it does our Braveheart justice. If not, I'll go back to darling Desmond. :heart: )

 

[CARIIS]

first day at technical college. -- technical school to learn how to fix furnaces ...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/justice/michael-brown-missouri-teen-shot/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4d65e6-2257-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html


If MB planned on college, why would he rob a store owner for cigarellos? It's just not what you would do if your pat

kind of get sense this might have been for his father -- like to go to tech would be really intersting to see his academic high school grades. I think it might be hard to , IMO get grades if your shoplifting, smoking weed, hanging with friend that has warrents elsewere - just does not sounc like a college path IMO

IN additio link last thread one of the schools he was at teachers were assulating stufents, raping each other, calling in bomb scares , teacher body slammed kid so bad he is in need of a new heart, security guards quitting all the time again not a academic envorment started 13 week clasee on gang activity

you should read that stuff last thread, it was unreal

 

[aa9511]

This is an excellent article. I wish I could quote more! but I won't because of you know who.

[FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]"The subculture I’m referencing is the segment of the (black) community that does not conform to mainstream culture. Employment is not mandatory. Having a strong work ethic is optional. No real connectedness to the social, political or economic engines that the rest of the country subscribes to.
"In this subculture, graduating from high school is optional. Aspiring to go to college makes you an outcast. Crime and gun violence are accepted and expected.[/FONT]
[FONT=proxima_nova_rgregular]"Brute force will not work. This subculture has flipped it: arrest me, I'll do a little time in jail and when I come home I'll be more popular. Getting shot is a badge of honor. It's a twisted subculture — what is right to do seems wrong, what is wrong to do, seems right.[/FONT]
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/fixing-ferguson-what-locals-say-they-need-survive-n186111

Ok, first of all - I thought MB graduated from high school.

 

[Muffet]

I think the point is - since there is no video, none of us can make judgements about what did or did not happen, what may or may not have happened.

I have to say that I am very disappointed in that I keep reading posts which claim things (that went on between Wilson and MB) as facts, without giving any links for any kind of proof. Are some people privy to more information than others? If so, I would like to also see this information, whatever that is.

For example, many people stating as fact that MB reached into the vehicle and assaulted Wilson - is there any proof to back this up, or are people just claiming it's fact because of the radio caller who called in to tell Wilson's side of the story? So just because Officer Wilson or someone from his camp says it's true, that makes it true?

I am getting very confused by all of this. If it's not proveable fact, can posters please add JMO or something like that to their posts, so that we know what is fact and what is not? TIA.

(ETA 1. oops, copied wrong thing from my clipboard...
ETA 2. OK, found them and fixed post)

Here are the relevant citations :

Early statements by Chief Belmar

Belmar said at a news conference on Sunday that when Wilson got out of his squad car, Brown pushed him back in, and a struggle ensued.
Belmar said the incident started when Brown physically assaulted the police officer, pushing him into the officer's vehicle.

He said there was a struggle inside the car, and at some point Brown reached for the officer's weapon. One shot was fired inside the vehicle.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/ferguson-darren-wilson-account-michael-brown-shooting


Belmar says Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...olice-news-conference-michael-brown/13860601/

And...

JMO, but if the chief was "wrong" when he announced that MB physically assaulted Officer Wilson and went after his gun, then when the Brown family's attorney, Parks, was asked about it, he would have had much different answers than these:

To Nancy Grace:

Parks: "Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction, strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don't deny that,” Daryl Parks, attorney for Brown’s family said Monday night.

“I think as evidence comes out, you'll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-autopsy-fight-car


Same basic admission when Megyn Kelly asked few nights ago, but with a "blow" thrown in:

Parks: "In all due fairness, at the very beginning, at the car, there was a very serious situation between Michael and the officer, without question, in which there may have been blow-they had an altercation.

And at some point, the officer's gun may have come out and a shot's fired."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/index.html#/v/3739124713001

I'm sorry, but imo, if the Browns' attorney himself believed MB didn't physically assault officer Wilson, he would not have answered this way.

 

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[gramcracker]

Thanks for my new avatar! :loveyou:

(I had to do the crop and upload from my phone, so can't tell if it does our Braveheart justice. If not, I'll go back to darling Desmond. :heart: )

I think it is Just Fine. yes, indeedy. Just Fine :wink:

 

[aa9511]

(oops, copied wrong thing from my clipboard... Just a sec...

And...

JMO, but if the chief was "wrong" when he announced that MB physically assaulted Officer Wilson and went after his gun, then when the Brown family's attorney, Parks, was asked about it, he would have had much different answers than these:

To Nancy Grace:

Parks: "Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction, strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don't deny that,” Daryl Parks, attorney for Brown’s family said Monday night.

“I think as evidence comes out, you'll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-autopsy-fight-car


Same basic admission when Megyn Kelly asked few nights ago, but with a "blow" thrown in:

Parks: "In all due fairness, at the very beginning, at the car, there was a very serious situation between Michael and the officer, without question, in which there may have been blow-they had an altercation.

And at some point, the officer's gun may have come out and a shot's fired."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/index.html#/v/3739124713001

I'm sorry, but imo, if the Browns' attorney himself believed MB didn't physically assault officer Wilson, he would not have answered this way.

Thank you so much, Muffet. I am going to look over all this information carefully. Thanks again, this is very helpful.

 

[Muffet]

I think it is Just Fine. yes, indeedy. Just Fine :wink:

:lol: I love you all.

 

[Yoda]

Ok, first of all - I thought MB graduated from high school.

He did. Did you read the article? It describes the subculture and how traditional fixes won't work. I found it very informative. Jmo

edit- I could only paste part of it because or TOS.

 

[Muffet]

Thank you so much, Muffet. I am going to look over all this information carefully. Thanks again, this is very helpful.

You're very welcome! You might need to scroll back up, because I just found and fixed my post to include the relevant statements by the police chief. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[katydid23]

I think the point is - since there is no video, none of us can make judgements about what did or did not happen, what may or may not have happened.

I have to say that I am very disappointed in that I keep reading posts which claim things (that went on between Wilson and MB) as facts, without giving any links for any kind of proof. Are some people privy to more information than others? If so, I would like to also see this information, whatever that is.

For example, many people stating as fact that MB reached into the vehicle and assaulted Wilson - is there any proof to back this up, or are people just claiming it's fact because of the radio caller who called in to tell Wilson's side of the story? So just because Officer Wilson or someone from his camp says it's true, that makes it true?

I am getting very confused by all of this. If it's not proveable fact, can posters please add JMO or something like that to their posts, so that we know what is fact and what is not? TIA.

I am going by witness testimony, many whom have said there was a 'tussle' at the car, one even said 'in the car.' [ For example, the new witness, Brady on CNN with Anderson Cooper also said it appeared that MB was punching the cop.]

And the Browns atty, Parks, has already said there was a struggle over the gun in the car, and a shot went off. That has been linked upthread many times. And sources have 'leaked' that the officer had facial injuries.

The only other scenario seems to be the one offered up by Dorian Johnson. But there are a few notable lies in his first interviews, so I cannot take them as credible. And they make little sense, imo. jmo

 

[tlcya]

Watching both Michael Brady videos, to me he's saying 2 different things about the gunshots at the car. In the ACooper interview he talks about the 2 shots at the car window as if he did hear the shots. In the longer CNBC video he says he didn't hear any shots, himself before the fatal shots were fired. Hmm.

at about 4:50 in this MSNBC video he didn't hear any shots at the car because he was in his house and never heard shots http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...fo-in-brown-shooting-320756803662#discussions

at about 6:30 in this CNN video he says he watched from his window and the officer shoots "a couple of times" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYqrAhpo_w4

I feel like he is trying really hard to be accurate in what he saw, what he assumed, what he thought and what he knows. But like any eyewitness he is subject to the phenomenon of eyewitness "blur" and the "rewriting" of his memory that is described in detailed in these studies:

An indication of just how tough is the fact that Michael spent time in the school's credit recovery program so that he could graduate. But the fact that he did was an achievement and, as far as his family were concerned, it was the first step towards something better.

Eric said, 'His mom said to him, “Okay. You’ve done the thing I really pushed for you to do so go ahead. Whatever you want to do, this is your summer to do that.'


Michael had already enrolled in Vatterott Technical College to study heating and air-conditioning engineering and was due to start classes last week. His cousin Anthony Livingston was trying to get him a job at the Family Dollar store where he was a manager.

SNIP

Memories of events “can be very affected by people’s biases, preconceptions, expectations, and the like,” Lilienfeld said. He explained that neuroscientists believe memory is “really reconstruction rather than a reproduction” — we’re not drawing on some untainted recollection of the event, but “rebuilding” it, in a sense, every time we summon the memory. All sorts of impurities can seep in each time this reconstruction occurs.
For example, eyewitnesses to an event are just as susceptible to media influence as the rest of us. “Once something gets out in the media, it’s really hard to un-ring that bell,” said Lilienfeld. “People have heard what other people have said, people have heard what other people have reported … and then their memory may be tainted, perhaps forever tainted by those recollections.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eo-just-real-Michael-Brown.html#ixzz3BBOY4rcz
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IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

…[T]he memory of an eyewitness can become compromised by other information, such that an individual’s memory becomes biased. This can increase eyewitnesses sensitivity to the misinformation effect. Individuals report what they believe to have witnessed at the time of the crime, even though this may be the result of a false memory. These effects can be a result of post-event information.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/0...reliable-as-michael-brown-case-already-shows/

 

[Phoebeb]

You can see it at 2:20 when Black Canseco says "here comes homicide"

I wonder how DJ left the scene- just stood up and ran home with no one stopping him for questions?

When the video pans left, pretty far down the street. I can see the hat next to that vehicle. JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

I think the point is - since there is no video, none of us can make judgements about what did or did not happen, what may or may not have happened.

I have to say that I am very disappointed in that I keep reading posts which claim things (that went on between Wilson and MB) as facts, without giving any links for any kind of proof. Are some people privy to more information than others? If so, I would like to also see this information, whatever that is.

For example, many people stating as fact that MB reached into the vehicle and assaulted Wilson - is there any proof to back this up, or are people just claiming it's fact because of the radio caller who called in to tell Wilson's side of the story? So just because Officer Wilson or someone from his camp says it's true, that makes it true?

I am getting very confused by all of this. If it's not proveable fact, can posters please add JMO or something like that to their posts, so that we know what is fact and what is not? TIA.

BBM
These threads move very fast. If you're only checking once a day you're likely missing a lot of discussion, which is often based on new information, and from what I've experienced plenty of links.

 

[bettybaby00]

You can see it at 2:20 when Black Canseco says "here comes homicide"

I wonder how DJ left the scene- just stood up and ran home with no one stopping him for questions?

Do we have any accounting of when he left the scene?

Eta:

Oops....I thought you meant OW...I'm getting tired. You know what's weird, I posted a USA today article a couple of times with DJs account of what happened, but when I google it now it doesn't come up?

I have to look at my previous posts b/c he mentions something about "when I got home."

BRB

 

[Yoda]

You can see it at 2:20 when Black Canseco says "here comes homicide"

I wonder how DJ left the scene- just stood up and ran home with no one stopping him for questions?

JMO. I think OW might have been in shock. I wonder if he left before the other officer arrived? Or how close his apt was?

 

[Phoebeb]

There must have been several people watching the scene right away, plus the people in the cars where DJ was hiding. I hope they are witnesses, because seems like they would have had a good view of the shooting. Where are there cars? I guess they pulled off before the videos started rolling.

JMO. I think OW might have been in shock. I wonder if he left before the other officer arrived? Or how close his apt was?

 

[CARIIS]

Media keeps reporting stuff like well it looks like things are quieting down and it might be over.IMO is only just behinning.

riots stemmed from the acquittal of four white Los Angeles Police Department officers in the beating of black motorist Rodney King

March 3, 1991 - Rodney King is beaten

March 15, 1991 -Sergeant Stacey Koon and officers Laurence Michael Powell, Timothy Wind, and Theodore Briseno are indicted by a Los Angeles grand jury in connection with the beating.

April 29 1992 -LAPD officers are acquitted of beating King. Riots start at the intersection of Florence and Normandie in South Central Los Angeles.


Or to put it another way 9 months after event and verdict 30 minutes later the riots started

By the numbers :

The rioting destroyed or damaged over 1,000 buildings in the Los Angeles area.

The estimated cost of the damages was over $1 billion.


More than 9,800 California National Guard troops were dispatched to restore order.


Nearly 12,000 people were arrested, though not all the arrests were directly related to the rioting.



IMO it is far from over sorry


http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/us/los-angeles-riots-fast-facts/

 

[Yoda]

Do we have any accounting of when he left the scene?

Eta:

Oops....I thought you meant OW...I'm getting tired. You know what's weird, I posted a USA today article a couple of times with DJs account of what happened, but when I google it now it doesn't come up?

I have to look at my previous posts b/c he mentions something about "when I got home."

BRB

DJ
“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot.


Five minutes later, Johnson emerged from his apartment to see his friend Mike dead and in the middle of the street. Neighbors were gathering, some shouting, some taking pictures with their cell phones.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

 

[CARIIS]

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