MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[Yoda]

There must have been several people watching the scene right away, plus the people in the cars where DJ was hiding. I hope they are witnesses, because seems like they would have had a good view of the shooting. Where are there cars? I guess they pulled off before the videos started rolling.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.


“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.


Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

 

[CARIIS]

When you went to get a link that was there a bit earlier

Dont feel alone, it did bother me

Like three nights ago , maybe 4 (bit blurry on this end!) watched doc on la riots

was sharing stuff i leadned the next morning

went to get link for you guys and it said no longer avail

15 housrs later kinda creepy like controling stuff ----it was on the front line a long running series similar to 60 min

Never heard this version before
ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.


“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.
from ealier post

 

[aa9511]

I feel like he is trying really hard to be accurate in what he saw, what he assumed, what he thought and what he knows. But like any eyewitness he is subject to the phenomenon of eyewitness "blur" and the "rewriting" of his memory that is described in detailed in these studies:

An indication of just how tough is the fact that Michael spent time in the school's credit recovery program so that he could graduate. But the fact that he did was an achievement and, as far as his family were concerned, it was the first step towards something better.

Eric said, 'His mom said to him, “Okay. You’ve done the thing I really pushed for you to do so go ahead. Whatever you want to do, this is your summer to do that.'


Michael had already enrolled in Vatterott Technical College to study heating and air-conditioning engineering and was due to start classes last week. His cousin Anthony Livingston was trying to get him a job at the Family Dollar store where he was a manager.

SNIP

Memories of events “can be very affected by people’s biases, preconceptions, expectations, and the like,” Lilienfeld said. He explained that neuroscientists believe memory is “really reconstruction rather than a reproduction” — we’re not drawing on some untainted recollection of the event, but “rebuilding” it, in a sense, every time we summon the memory. All sorts of impurities can seep in each time this reconstruction occurs.
For example, eyewitnesses to an event are just as susceptible to media influence as the rest of us. “Once something gets out in the media, it’s really hard to un-ring that bell,” said Lilienfeld. “People have heard what other people have said, people have heard what other people have reported … and then their memory may be tainted, perhaps forever tainted by those recollections.”
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IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

…[T]he memory of an eyewitness can become compromised by other information, such that an individual’s memory becomes biased. This can increase eyewitnesses sensitivity to the misinformation effect. Individuals report what they believe to have witnessed at the time of the crime, even though this may be the result of a false memory. These effects can be a result of post-event information.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/0...reliable-as-michael-brown-case-already-shows/

Well hopefully the detectives or whoever is in charge of the investigation have gotten written statements by now from everyone. If they are doing their jobs.....

 

[Muffet]

I am going by witness testimony, many whom have said there was a 'tussle' at the car, one even said 'in the car.' [ For example, the new witness, Brady on CNN with Anderson Cooper also said it appeared that MB was punching the cop.]

And the Browns atty, Parks, has already said there was a struggle over the gun in the car, and a shot went off. That has been linked upthread many times. And sources have 'leaked' that the officer had facial injuries.

The only other scenario seems to be the one offered up by Dorian Johnson. But there are a few notable lies in his first interviews, so I cannot take them as credible. And they make little sense, imo. jmo

Not only leaked, but in one of his earliest pressers, the chief of police announced that officer Wilson had to be taken to the hospital for facial injuries.

Here's a citation:

(Officer Wilson) was injured in the encounter and treated for a facial injury, the city's chief of police said on Wednesday. (The 13th)

http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-police-chief-says-officer-involved-shooting-was-injured-264511

ETA another (article dated the day Wilson's name and the surveillance video were released):

The chief said earlier in the week that the officer had been taken to a hospital with injuries to his face.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...ren-wilson-cop-who-shot-michael-brown-n181326

 

[aa9511]

BBM
These threads move very fast. If you're only checking once a day you're likely missing a lot of discussion, which is often based on new information, and from what I've experienced plenty of links.

Yes, I just started following this thread in last few days, and was only checking about once a day until today. So yes, you are right. I didn't know that any struggle in or around the car was confirmed.

 

[al66pine]

Late again.

After reading up on him last night, I won't be surprised to find him wishing he had stayed under the radar. IANAL, nor do I know how much power all the professional boards have to discipline someone who isn't actually board certified. But he appears to have made himself susceptible to charges of fraud (at least), imo.

BBM

That's the thing:
IIUC, professional medical boards have no power to discipline someone who isn't actually board certified.
IIUC, the unauthorized practice of medicine is a crime.
IIUC, re a person engaging in actions constituting the unauthorized practice of medicine,
the only thing a med cert bd could do is provide info about that person and their actions to the county prosecutor, state AG,
perhaps federal district atty.
State law may authorize co pros or st AG to bring civil action, seeking an injunction,
prohibiting a person from performing those actions constituting prac of med.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

Imamaze what is that?

one of our super mods/admins!

 

[Yoda]

Yes, I just started following this thread in last few days, and was only checking about once a day until today. So yes, you are right. I didn't know that any struggle in or around the car was confirmed.

This case has so many articles and videos it's hard to remember where I read something. It's driving me batty when I have to find one sentence in over 100 articles! Jmo

 

[Muffet]

Late again.
BBM

That's the thing:
IIUC, professional medical boards have no power to discipline someone who isn't actually board certified.
IIUC, the unauthorized practice of medicine is a crime.
IIUC, re a person engaging in actions constituting the unauthorized practice of medicine,
the only thing a med cert bd could do is provide info about that person and their actions to the county prosecutor, state AG,
perhaps federal district atty.
State law may authorize co pros or st AG to bring civil action, seeking an injunction,
prohibiting a person from performing those actions constituting prac of med.

JMO MOO IMO

Thank you. It will be interesting to see if any of them do, now that he's gotten even more attention.

 

[aa9511]

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.


“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.


Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

If it's true that Wilson started things off in a threatening tone, "get the f*** off," etc., it could mean trouble for him. In the Chrisman trial I've spoken about before (also cop shooting on duty), the other eye witness cop on duty with him said that when the victim opened the door, Chrisman got him in some kind of chokehold and was pointing his gun on his temple and also said some threatening things, f***, curse words, etc.. Very much like what DJ is describing.
JMO.

 

[al66pine]

Dr. Baden just said on "Hannity": "I performed the second autopsy"

a link to the show pls?
Maybe a link to transcript of show?
Thx in adv.

 

[Dr. Know?]

To me, that Purcell guy, harmed the case for the death of MB. Way to go man. SMH

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

Well guys Lunesta is arriving - been apleasure onvr again night to all

 

[katydid23]

If it's true that Wilson started things off in a threatening tone, "get the f*** off," etc., it could mean trouble for him. In the Chrisman trial I've spoken about before (also cop shooting on duty), the other eye witness cop on duty with him said that when the victim opened the door, Chrisman got him in some kind of chokehold and was pointing his gun on his temple and also said some threatening things, f***, curse words, etc.. Very much like what DJ is describing.
JMO.

But the ONLY person who says that the cop began by cussing at them is Dorian. And Dorian has prior charges for filing false police report, lying about a situation to the cops. So I can't believe what he says without some corroboration.

Also, the cop DROVE AWAY from the 2 teens. So he was not looking at hassling them, he was already driving away. This lends more credibility to the cops version imo.

And also, the video showing the aggressive/felonious behavior of the teen 10 minutes prior to the shooting lends more credibility to the cops version of events, that the victim was the initial aggressor. jmo :moo:

 

[bettybaby00]

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.


“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.


Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

This was the article I had been looking for, for some reason i had USA Today in my head as the source.

I'm going to post the parts that are part of DJs recounting of events (dated the 8/13) b/c it's shocking to me how he was first describing it, and since the autopsy report from Baden and "Professor" Parcells, along with Parks and Grumps admissions how much has to be discounted.

FERGUSON, Missouri — 8/13

“I saw the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” said Dorian Johnson, 22. “Then I saw the fire come out of the barrel.”

Johnson, in an exclusive interview with msnbc, said what began as an order by a police officer to ‘get the f— onto the sidewalk’ quickly escalated into a physical altercation and then, gunfire.

“I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close,” said Johnson, who said he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer when the first of several shots was fired at the teen. Johnson says he feared for his life as he watched the officer squeezing off shot after shot.


About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.


“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.

“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”

A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.

“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.

“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot.

Five minutes later, Johnson emerged from his apartment to see his friend Mike dead and in the middle of the street. Neighbors were gathering, some shouting, some taking pictures with their cell phones.

Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney, told msnbc that the police have yet to interview Johnson. Bosley said that he offered the police an opportunity to speak with Johnson, but they declined.

“They didn’t even want to talk to him,” said Bosley, a former mayor of St. Louis. “They don’t want the facts. What they want is to justify what happened … what they are trying to do now is justify what happened instead of trying to point out the wrong. Something is wrong here and that’s what it is.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting

*no mention of the strong arm assault. In fact he doesn't even put himself at the store w/MB
*grabs MBs neck so tightly the muscles in his arm are bulging as he chokes MB. Where are the marks on MB?
*how does OW manage to maintain that hold while removing his gun from its holster, and firing off a shot?
*Witness Brady states DJ was standing at the front of the car, toward the passenger side.
*then "bam, the 2nd shot strikes him in the back. Uhm, no.
*he hides behind a parked car with 2 screaming witnesses...crouched down a bit. Brady states no one in parked car. Gotta ask, how far crouched down was he really below sight line of car?
*By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position....there is no truth to this statement whatsoever. MB and OW were face-to-face? Really? And OW just fired repeatedly at an unarmed man, with his hands in the air???? And how did he uncurl himself from a fetal position?

After reading this again, I'm not sure he saw anything after the 2 moved away from the car?

If this ever moves past the GJ to trial, he's going to have a lot of explaining these statements, and how exactly they even remotely correlate to the autopsy.

 

[katydid23]

I am watching RebelutionZ at the protests at the police station. Lots of chanting still going on. Some interesting convos.

One lady says that a nurse tried to administer aid and resuscitate him, but the police prevented her from doing so. Does the lady understand that he had a bullet enter the top of his head? There was very little chance that he was able to be treated by a nurse in any successful way. jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

The exact reasons won't be released now. No incitement to a riot fgs...who does this, who are so suppressed they would incite riots? Wow and Whoa...Date night, new suppliers, new friends maybe? I'm open. But they are inciting a riot if the verdict doesn't turn out in the favor of MB. I'm not going with that and I'm open to new info that won't come for quite a while, imo.

So, I'll wait.

 

[aa9511]

But the ONLY person who says that the cop began by cussing at them is Dorian. And Dorian has prior charges for filing false police report, lying about a situation to the cops. So I can't believe what he says without some corroboration.

Also, the cop DROVE AWAY from the 2 teens. So he was not looking at hassling them, he was already driving away. This lends more credibility to the cops version imo.

And also, the video showing the aggressive/felonious behavior of the teen 10 minutes prior to the shooting lends more credibility to the cops version of events, that the victim was the initial aggressor. jmo :moo:

Yes, sorry, what I meant was in the case that this goes to jury trial, and there is some evidence backing up DJ, or the jury ends up believing that Wilson did in fact say something along those lines. Basically, it will not look good for Wilson if the jury ends up believing that he began by provoking MB with curse words, etc..

As far as driving away, so if Wilson was driving away, how did MB end up being shot?? Wouldn't he have just continued to drive away? Do you think MB ran up to his driving-away car and started assaulting him? Or does it make more sense that it was Wilson who backed back up to the boys? JMO, but the latter makes more sense to me.

 

[Phoebeb]

Sorry, I don't have a link, I was watching the show at the time I wrote that message. It was tonight's Hannity show on Fox if you want to see it.

a link to the show pls?
Maybe a link to transcript of show?
Thx in adv.

 

[katydid23]

This was the article I had been looking for, for some reason i had USA Today in my head as the source.

I'm going to post the parts that are part of DJs recounting of events (dated the 8/13) b/c it's shocking to me how he was first describing it, and since the autopsy report from Baden and "Professor" Parcells, along with Parks and Grumps admissions how much has to be discounted.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting

*no mention of the strong arm assault. In fact he doesn't even put himself at the store w/MB
*grabs MBs neck so tightly the muscles in his arm are bulging as he chokes MB. Where are the marks on MB?
*how does OW manage to maintain that hold while removing his gun from its holster, and firing off a shot?
*Witness Brady states DJ was standing at the front of the car, toward the passenger side.
*then "bam, the 2nd shot strikes him in the back. Uhm, no.
*he hides behind a parked car with 2 screaming witnesses...crouched down a bit. Brady states no one in parked car. Gotta ask, how far crouched down was he really below sight line of car?
*By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position....there is no truth to this statement whatsoever. MB and OW were face-to-face? Really? And OW just fired repeatedly at an unarmed man, with his hands in the air???? And how did he uncurl himself from a fetal position?

After reading this again, I'm not sure he saw anything after the 2 moved away from the car?

If this ever moves past the GJ to trial, he's going to have a lot of explaining these statements, and how exactly they even remotely correlate to the autopsy.

Thank You. well thought out post.

Also, no mention of the initial verbal interaction. Why does the cop suddenly and without provocation, reach out his car window and grab a huge muscular teen by the neck?

And no mention of MB ever hitting the cop. Only says that MB is trying hard to 'break free.' That makes me doubt this version. Wilson is not nearly as big and strong as MB. Why would he put himself in such a vulnerable position, as grabbing the teen by his throat and 'try to pull him into the car.' That makes zero sense to me.