GUILTY MO - Hailey Owens, 10, Springfield, 18 Feb 2014 #2

[CHERIE.T]

@ thepinkdragon - I can relate to your point above. Years ago after a nonstop series of life events no one was more surprised than I when I was diagnosed with major clinical depression. The only way to describe it would be to say it was as though a complete stranger had moved into my head in the space of a month. It was as though I'd been given strange drugs which were keeping me awake all night, making me repulsed by food, etc. (In fact, it was startlingly like what I read today about the side effects of meth, to be honest--hypervigilance, hyperactivity, poor memory and judgment.) It was a totally weird experience lasting about 2 years, and I hope to never go through anything approaching that again.

At the time I was diagnosed, I strongly resisted taking prescription medication, trying to go the 'natural' route with well-known herbal remedies. The therapist I'd reluctantly started seeing tried to convince me for 3 months to try medication, because clinical depression is caused by a major brain chemistry change in the brain, a neurotransmitter imbalance that could only be rebalanced with the appropriate SSRI combination. I can remember bringing in to her office dramatic newspaper articles of people who'd wigged out on Prozac, telling her I was afraid I might wake up and kill my kids if I tried a prescription drug. Truthfully, though, my reasoning was getting so compromised I was in no place to think clearly on the subject, so after a couple months of fearful resistance, I finally agreed to a trial period for one of the SSRIs (not Prozac ). It took a couple tries with different SSRIs, but once I found the right one, the change was dramatic, and I was on the way back up out of that black hole.

The brain and its function is an amazing, perplexing thing. Yes, there are some prescription drug side effects that can end up being harmful to some people out there, but there are also many prescription drugs that are lifesavers to broad classes of people who need them. I've learned through my experience not to make blanket generalizations about prescription drugs and their possible side-effects for people; each situation for each person should be weighed on its own merit. While not depressed today, I have friends with bipolar relatives whose brain-chemistry prescriptions are just as biologically vital to them as my thyroid prescriptions are to me. Just thankful for the science that's gone from 'tranquilizing' all mental illnesses a generation or two ago to 're-balancing' brain chemistry problems today.

Sincere thanks PIM. (Hugs)

 

[blue22]

Yes I have been labeled with an acronym and medicated accordingly. I have experienced mania induced via antidepressants. I'm angry that its common place for people to deal with problems by medicating and society's blind eye to the far reaching implications. My opinion isn't a popular one and it surely isn't PC but I am firm in my belief based on personal experience and two years worth of research so extensive i quit my job to complete it. Don't mean to offend anyone but not having a popular belief shouldn't exclude me from expressing it.

This is a sincere question, and I am in no way being condescending. Do you really think medications can force a grown man to have a sexual attraction to prepubescent children?

(I am honestly asking your opinion about that, there is no back handed motive.)

 

[Toni Marie]

What made him decide to troll several times up and down West Lombard that day? What made him choose that location? Why did he not just drive around many other streets, instead of the same street repeatedly? It was almost as if he knew she would be walking at some point.

Forgive me for just jumping in here without a proper introduction, but I've been waiting all day for approval to bring this up as I see it's not been broached here yet. Last night on KSDK (local news channel) there was a segment played with a woman who lives in Hailey's neighborhood. She said that her children had an "incident" with Craig Wood three weeks ago. He had been seen trolling the area and in some manner (I can't remember how) totally freaked her children out. I will do a search online and try to find the clip of her interview.

RIP Hailey :heartbeat:

 

[Foxfire]

If this link has been posted, I apologize. Just came over to Hailey's thread and haven't had time to read back through the thread;

Shep Smith Fox News..
video update
http://video.foxnews.com/v/32328778...ing-charges-in-mo-girls-death-/#sp=show-clips

 

[Foxfire]

2 Hours & 15 minutes before an Amber Alert was activated in Hailey Owens' abduction.. WTH?

- AMBER Plan Statistics
Successful Recoveries 679
http://www.amberalert.gov/statistics.htm

 

[Paige SC]

This is a sincere question, and I am in no way being condescending. Do you really think medications can force a grown man to have a sexual attraction to prepubescent children?

(I am honestly asking your opinion about that, there is no back handed motive.)

ABSOLUTELY. Do I think all men who take meds will have that extreme of a reaction? No. Of course not but these drugs induce mania in many who take them. I met a pharmacist during my research who became obsessed with cropophillia after starting snris. It could be , shooting up a school, having sex with students, gambling, drinking, deciding you no longer love your spouse, whatever the case. But yes, I think these drugs can and often DO create obsessions in certain people and they can't be controlled.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Tomorrow is his Preliminary Hearing. Formal reading of his charges, unless he waives that. In so much that the Judge is gonna read all that out loud for everybody to hear and go OMG, he might choose that. Ask him, you got a lawyer? But they may just let tomorrow be his "first appearance". I wonder if his parents are gonna help him with a lawyer?

Tomorrow will be his arraignment. The preliminary hearing won't happen for awhile. He does not even have any attorney yet that I know of. Tomorrow he will face formal charges and they will talk about bond. Probably will be on video. I cannot imagine them bringing him into the court right now. If so, I'm sure he will be wearing a bullet proof vest.

 

[Ghostwheel]

A large percentage of them are created via the assistance of psychotropic medication, IMHO. Touchy subject with so many people taking them (most everyone i know takes an antidepressant) but it's an area in desperate need of attention. Julie Schenecker, Andrea Yates, Josh Powell, David Westerfield and countless other monsters were all on them. Austin Sigg, etc. Of course, there is just pure evil in this world but there's also evil that's created via drugs. Legal and otherwise. I suspect this guy was medicated to help control xyz disorder and it got to a point of no return. Purely my opinion and hardly ever a popular one.

O/T, and I don't disagree with you, but I also wonder if whatever it is that makes any person "evil", as it were, is not caused by the drugs, but the drugs were erroneously prescribed and so did not solve the problem. So many people are labeled ADHD, when they had another problem. ( a friend comes to mind where he was put on ADHD medication when he was really depressed. He wasn't evil, of course, but it sure didn't solve his issues.)

 

[jggordo]

I have been curious as to why the FBI has come into this investigation this early into it. He did not transport her across state lines. The charges thus far are state charges, not Federal. I brought up this article earlier in the thread. I was wondering if there might be a connection to this in that it in Springfield as well. An article from 01/21/2014:
"SPRINGFIELD, Mo. – A Springfield man charged earlier in state court with 15 felony counts involving sex with family members ages 3 and 5 has now been charged in federal court."

"Ronald J. Mazza, 33, was named in a three-count federal grand jury indictment today on two counts of producing child and a third count of receiving and distributing child over the Internet, according to Tammy Dickinson, United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri.

Today’s indictment alleges that Mazza used two minors to produce child between Aug. 1 and Dec. 1, 2013."

This man admits to have been filming and distributing these things for years. I am wondering if this guy and CMW were maybe BFF's.

They got his computer. Maybe CMW is on it. Something triggered this guy.

JMO but I think there might be a connection between these two. And maybe the FBI thinks so too?

http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/sp...ony-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬/d/story/gKlfu3mZSkibNp2OfSkHIQ

 

[thepinkdragon]

Yes I have been labeled with an acronym and medicated accordingly. I have experienced mania induced via antidepressants. I'm angry that its common place for people to deal with problems by medicating and society's blind eye to the far reaching implications. My opinion isn't a popular one and it surely isn't PC but I am firm in my belief based on personal experience and two years worth of research so extensive i quit my job to complete it. Don't mean to offend anyone but not having a popular belief shouldn't exclude me from expressing it.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. In my opinion it is a perfect example that shows what can happen if someone is given a misdiagnosis or the wrong medication. I agree that our society is way too quick to label and dose out meds. It's scary because so many mood disorders, chemical imbalances and mental illness have symptoms that overlap which causes confusion and deductive reasoning that contributes to this huge problem. Add the stigma surrounding these issues and we have a mixed up group of people who are either wrongly medicated, over medicated or in desperate need to be medicated. There are not enough mental health professionals to cope with the ever growing population and those in practice either are overworked or just push people through like a factory line. In my own case it took many years to find the right balance of medication and therapy to make me stable. Mental illness runs in my family and it's obvious whenever you meet certain family members. Let's agree that while sometimes medicine is necessary it is often over prescribed which itself is a huge problem.

MOO


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[JeannaT]

The mother's interview - so heartbreaking! Could not watch the entire interview. I still could not keep track of how many times she said "just this one time" and how she "let her guard down" when referring to her daughter walking alone. This mother is carrying of tremendous amount of guilt.

But it wasn't "just this one time". It was every day, she walked that route to meet her best friend she goes on to say.

That poor woman. In my opinion, this is a textbook example of why you can't judge if someone is grieving by looking at them and listening to them. She comes off giggly - obviously a self-defense mechanism to shield herself from the horror of what she's feeling.

I'm sad they even aired that.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

2 Hours & 15 minutes before an Amber Alert was activated in Hailey Owens' abduction.. WTH?

- AMBER Plan Statistics
Successful Recoveries 679
http://www.amberalert.gov/statistics.htm

It does seem that the time it takes to get the alert in motion needs to be tightened up, in general.

But in this particular case, the AA probably had little relevance to the outcome (if that's any consolation):

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[nomoresorrow]

FBI's involvement;

"Our field offices respond to cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child whenever and however they come to our attention. All reports of circumstances indicating that a minor has or possibly has been abducted are afforded an immediate preliminary inquiry."

More here;
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/non-family-abductions

 

[nomoresorrow]

Perhaps a new thread could be started for those who would like to discuss the advantages and/or disadvantages of taking psychotropic meds - TIA!

 

[hockeymom4]

I have been curious as to why the FBI has come into this investigation this early into it. He did not transport her across state lines. The charges thus far are state charges, not Federal. I brought up this article earlier in the thread. I was wondering if there might be a connection to this in that it in Springfield as well. An article from 01/21/2014:
"SPRINGFIELD, Mo. – A Springfield man charged earlier in state court with 15 felony counts involving sex with family members ages 3 and 5 has now been charged in federal court."

"Ronald J. Mazza, 33, was named in a three-count federal grand jury indictment today on two counts of producing child and a third count of receiving and distributing child over the Internet, according to Tammy Dickinson, United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri.

Today’s indictment alleges that Mazza used two minors to produce child between Aug. 1 and Dec. 1, 2013."

This man admits to have been filming and distributing these things for years. I am wondering if this guy and CMW were maybe BFF's.

They got his computer. Maybe CMW is on it. Something triggered this guy.

JMO but I think there might be a connection between these two. And maybe the FBI thinks so too?

http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/sp...ony-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬/d/story/gKlfu3mZSkibNp2OfSkHIQ

From what I understand, the FBI volunteered right away to help find the missing girl. The Chief said in his first press conference yesterday that they volunteered. This is very common for them to assist in helping find missing teens. The Chief said they had close to or over 100 people helping look for her.

Today, the missing boy in IL also had people other than the PRPD assisting. When children go missing and Amber Alerts are issued, people from agencies everywhere jump in.

 

[hockeymom4]

Do they give teachers random drug tests?

I have many teachers in my family and other than when they started, no.

 

[Ghostwheel]

It does seem that the time it takes to get the alert in motion needs to be tightened up, in general.

But in this particular case, the AA probably had little relevance to the outcome (if that's any consolation):

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BBM: It's interesting that media keeps saying that, but if an Amber Alert had come out within 10 or 15 minutes, someone might have seen his truck heading home, and called LE. (Or followed him home and yelled for the guy to let the girl go). To say that it wouldn't have mattered because the alert took 2 hours is like saying that because something you cooked for 2 hours is burnt, if wouldn't have mattered to take it out of the oven earlier. Unless they can tell me she was dead within five minutes of his arriving at his house with her, it is still possible an earlier alert had the possibility of helping. It is my opinion that while LE did what they should have done according to the "proper procedure", the proper procedure is still lacking. But I also admit I have seen the "proper procedure" screw up way too many things. ( As in watching houses burn because local fire procedure would not allow nearby military helicopters that were ready and able to dump water on the fire. The only reason was paperwork.) JMO.

 

[luvs2laugh]

My heart breaks for Hailey's Mom...I couldn't watch the whole interview. I wish that I could take some of her pain away. I know that isn't possible.

And I really don't want to hear about other children that had contact with the "monster." Why is it-in EVERY single case -AFTER a little one is raped and murdered do people come forward and say-oh btw, I "know" this monster.....

I am seriously not judging anyone, I just want this to stop. Something has to be done.

~fly free sweet Hailey~

 

[Toni Marie]

In response to my earlier post, here is all I have found so far regarding the interview with another family in the neighborhood. I have not yet found the video, but I am just now able to sit down at the computer and look. Her name is listed in this article. (Second link added after initial post)

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/02/19/craig-wood-charged-murder-kidnapping-hailey-owens/5621469/

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Community-support-growing-for-murdered-10-year-old-Springfield-girl-246322621.html

 

[Foxfire]

It does seem that the time it takes to get the alert in motion needs to be tightened up, in general.

But in this particular case, the AA probably had little relevance to the outcome (if that's any consolation):

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased MO - Hailey Owens, 10, Springfield, 18 Feb 2014 #2

Imo, awareness & communication is the key in abduction & missing persons cases..
PoirotryInMotion, why do folks keep saying this; 'in this particular case, the AA probably had little relevance to the outcome'? There is no excuse for an AA to take 2 1/4 hours to initiate.

All LEAs should have a pre-abduction plan in place that is initiated by a code word; such as a code Adam. Many of the vehicles running around town are govt vehicles with radios. All these agencies could be alerted to the VOI description in an abduction, as well as private citizens, taxi cabs, bus drivers, FD, DNR, utilities, etc.