MO MO - Janina 'Nina' Vasquez, 27, Kansas City, 12 Feb 2015

[Theforeigner]

When you say JA, you mean JV correct? She was not cut in two. Her coat was around her waist.

Yes my mistake I of course ment JV, thanks for correcting me

Concerning JVs remains, did you watch the video clip I posted a link to ? In that clip there is NO doubt that there was TWO smaller body bags on that stretcher when they carried JVs body from the crime scene.


Correcting myself:
I now, due to OkieGranny post, agree with OkieGranny that the two "body bags" probably was:

OkieGranny: "Iequipment used to recover Nina from the well or possibly for collecting forensic evidence. But it looks like firefighters carrying the stretcher, so I'm guessing the bags held ropes, pulleys, stuff like that. Things they might keep bundled together to grab quickly if someone goes over a cliff or something."

 

[Theforeigner]

I guess I'll weigh in on that possible dismemberment, too. To me, the bags don't look like body bags containing two halves of a corpse that had just been pulled from a well. Wouldn't they be lumpier, more irregularly-shaped?

I wonder if the bags actually contained equipment used to recover Nina from the well or possibly for collecting forensic evidence. But it looks like firefighters carrying the stretcher, so I'm guessing the bags held ropes, pulleys, stuff like that. Things they might keep bundled together to grab quickly if someone goes over a cliff or something.

Screen shot from the KMBC report:

Agree OkieGranny, that might very well explain the two "body bags", I sure hope you are right.

 

[Theforeigner]

And the friend Allen does appear to have a red car if you scroll down and look at his facebook pictures...

Yes you are so right, I saw Allen A's red car now when going back to check on his facebook, great catch tiredblondy !!!
LE hopefully already know, but just in case, contact LE and tell them, bc that probably is very important info!!!

 

[bessie]

Thanks

It has been stated that:

"Janina Vasquez, 27, left her mother's house in Overland Park, Missouri, on February 11 and texted to say she would stay with 'Allen and Nicole'"

In Janina's Facebook there is 1 "Allen" facebook friend who lives in Olathe (ca 10-15 miles from Overland Parks where Janina lived), and this "Allen" has 8 facebook friends named "Nicole".

I hope police have checked this out.



Here is a theory of mine:

It has been stated that:

"Her (Janina Vasquez) cell phone was in one of her burgundy boots and her ID was found in the other, but her bra, underwear and socks, and the burgundy North Face backpack she was carrying are all missing."

JA meet someone, possibly two, persons.
JA agree to some kind of intimate/sexual activity with this person/persons.
JA undress and put her cellphone and ID in her boots in order to kind of hide them so that they will nor be stolen.
During, or right after, the intimate/sexual activity, something went terribly wrong, either by accident or possibly even intentionally by this person/persons, and JA dies.
The killer/killers redress JAs body and also put on her boots, not realizing that JAs mobil and ID is in the boots, in the stress/kaos situation the killer/killers miss JAs bra, underweare and socks, they also forget to bring JAs North Face backpack when they leave to dump JAs body.
IF I am right about that JAs body was dismembered into 2 pieces, I believe that the killer/killers realized that it was necessary to dismember JAs body in order to be able to transport the remains from the house/apartment where she was killed to their car without looking suspicious.
The killer/killers choice to dump JAs body in that well, IMO point to good knowledge of that very location, live in the area or worked in a bizz with some kind of connection to that very location.



Does anyone have a timeline for JAs case?

I think Janina might have dressed herself very hastily to get away from someone. For instance, say she was in an intimate situation with a person who became threatening in some manner. She feared her life was in danger and wanted to get away. So when said person dozes off or uses the bathroom, she throws on her outer clothes and tries to make a run for it, but fails.

I agree with OkieGranny that the parcels on the stretcher are recovery or rescue equipment and supplies.

JMO

 

[Theforeigner]

This is interesting. This article was posted on Janina's mother's facebook page after she learned of Janina's death with no comments...

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/20/throwaways_recruited_by_police_thrown_into
Throwaways: Recruited by Police & Thrown into Danger, Young Informants are Drug War’s Latest Victims

Hi tiredblondy

Since I haven't heard back from you yet, I have now sent the info the the Kansas City Police Department / Homicide Unit.

I hope your discovery help the case, and thanks again for your alertness

 

[OkieGranny]

Oh, thank you, Bessie. I was wracking my brain for some reasonable explanation and couldn't think of one, but that does sound like a possibility.

In her mom's interviews, she kept stressing that Nina would never have been able to do this to herself, which left me with the impression that maybe LE wasn't convinced there was foul play involved. I wasn't convinced either, until I saw that her underthings were missing, and couldn't make any sense of that unless there was foul play.

So it could have been an accident, possibly? And the head injury was from the fall?

But wait — in the KMBC video, the reporter said Nina would have to lift a heavy metal lid to get into the well. And she seemed to indicate that the building behind her is the well. Whether it is or isn't, the well is covered, so it's not just a hole in the ground that someone might accidentally fall into.

If Nina was in such poor health, how did she lift that lid? And why would she? Was she trying to hide from someone? Or did that someone catch up with her and put her in there? At this point, I have no idea.

 

[bessie]

I don't believe she got in there by herself. If she did throw her clothes on and try to make a run for it, I think the person grabbed her before she got away, or chased her down.

 

[charminglane]

So glad she was found at all.

 

[Theforeigner]

I think Janina might have dressed herself very hastily to get away from someone. For instance, say she was in an intimate situation with a person who became threatening in some manner. She feared her life was in danger and wanted to get away. So when said person dozes off or uses the bathroom, she throws on her outer clothes and tries to make a run for it, but fails.

I agree with OkieGranny that the parcels on the stretcher are recovery or rescue equipment and supplies.

JMO

Sure that is indeed another possible scenario, but what about the mobile and ID in her boots?
If she was the one who dressed herself, why was her mobile and ID in her boots?
Why not put them in her pockets?

And it has been stated that:

"She was found in a gray Victoria Secret sweatsuit she was last seen in, but the jacket was tied around her waist"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-casino-night-disappeared.html#ixzz3TrRg5PcL

Why would Janine, in a situation of escape, tie her jacket around her waist (would you? I sure wouldn't)? it was February and freezing.

As far as I know we still don't know what day she died, however she died between Feb 12 and Feb 19, so here you can see the temperatures Highes and lowes pr day:

12 Feb
Actual Temp
32° Lo 12°

13 Feb
Actual Temp
47° Lo 22°


14 Feb
Actual Temp
41° Lo 18°


15 Feb
Actual Temp
20° Lo 13°


16
Actual Temp
25° Lo 14°


17 Feb
Actual Temp
33° Lo 18°


18 Feb
Actual Temp
20° Lo 12°


19
Actual Temp
20° Lo 6°

 

[OkieGranny]

I don't believe she got in there by herself. If she did throw her clothes on and try to make a run for it, I think the person grabbed her before she got away, or chased her down.

Yeah, that does seem more likely, the more I think about it. I'm curious about the source and extent of Nina's physical issues; her mom mentioned pain and seizures, and her mobility was apparently not 100%, which would leave her terribly vulnerable in a desperate situation.

ETA: Oh, I forgot about the boots. Maybe she grabbed the boots and tried to run away barefoot... ? But she had time to tie the jacket around her waist? Augh, I don't think any of this is going to make sense until we get more details.

 

[Theforeigner]

Oh, thank you, Bessie. I was wracking my brain for some reasonable explanation and couldn't think of one, but that does sound like a possibility.

In her mom's interviews, she kept stressing that Nina would never have been able to do this to herself, which left me with the impression that maybe LE wasn't convinced there was foul play involved. I wasn't convinced either, until I saw that her underthings were missing, and couldn't make any sense of that unless there was foul play.

So it could have been an accident, possibly? And the head injury was from the fall?

But wait — in the KMBC video, the reporter said Nina would have to lift a heavy metal lid to get into the well. And she seemed to indicate that the building behind her is the well. Whether it is or isn't, the well is covered, so it's not just a hole in the ground that someone might accidentally fall into.

If Nina was in such poor health, how did she lift that lid? And why would she? Was she trying to hide from someone? Or did that someone catch up with her and put her in there? At this point, I have no idea.

OkieGranny, here is part of what I posted in my previous post #14:

"Vasquez was found dead in a flood control well behind a locked gate in a city park."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3ToLbVLTw

What I would like to know is:

...was the lock broken up?
...was the fence broken / cut up?

If neither then IMO the killer/killers must have had a key to the lock or know someone who had one.


I mean there is IMHO no way that Jenina would have been able to get into that gated area by herself, not to mention getting into the actual well.

Here is a link to a photo of the fence, and the well behind it in which she was found. The well is in the smaller construction:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/07/266773A500000578-2983729-image-a-85_1425703993651.jpg

 

[OkieGranny]

Ooh, thank you, how did I miss your post? Those are some very good questions.

That Daily Mail pic is the first clear view I've had of the well; it looks like a mini-fortress. Yeah, if the locks were intact, I'd be looking at city employees who have the right keys to access it. And former employees who might have held onto keys after leaving the job. Maybe someone who grew up in the area and figured out years ago how to get inside the well, the way kids often do, exploring places they aren't supposed to go.

But definitely somebody who would be familiar with that building, IMO. It's hard to imagine a random person seeing that and thinking it's a good place to hide a body. A random person wouldn't know how often that well is checked. It would be so much easier to dump the body in the massive Missouri River, just steps away.

 

[Theforeigner]

Ooh, thank you, how did I miss your post? Those are some very good questions.

That Daily Mail pic is the first clear view I've had of the well; it looks like a mini-fortress. Yeah, if the locks were intact, I'd be looking at city employees who have the right keys to access it. And former employees who might have held onto keys after leaving the job. Maybe someone who grew up in the area and figured out years ago how to get inside the well, the way kids often do, exploring places they aren't supposed to go.

But definitely somebody who would be familiar with that building, IMO. It's hard to imagine a random person seeing that and thinking it's a good place to hide a body. A random person wouldn't know how often the well is checked. It would be so much easier to dump the body in the massive Missouri River, just steps away.

Agree 100% OkieGranny.

 

[enzeder]

Location of the casino in relation to the park, on opposite sides of I-29:

I'm not sure exactly where the well is, either inside the park or very close to it. The initial location I read was near 1st Street & Lydia Avenue, which is the next intersection south of Front Street.

Thanks for the map OkieGranny. I was also wondering what that inverted V was, to the right of the well, in the pic that was posted earlier (#31) but I now see that it's part of the structure of a bridge after looking at Google maps.

Image: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/07/266773A500000578-2983729-image-a-85_1425703993651.jpg

Aerial View of area
http://goo.gl/l89gFV

Entrance to well area Google Street view
http://goo.gl/SHhqm8

Attached Images Google Earth - 1.) My text in yellow and 2.) close up of well area 3D)

 

[enzeder]

Video: http://berkleyriverfrontparkkc.com/

 

[Theforeigner]

Wouldn't they have Surveillance cameras on a place like that Flood control well ?
I mean they surround the well with a security fence, wouldn't they then also have installed Surveillance cameras?

And I still wonder why no info concerning the security fence, wether the lock was broken up? the fence was cut open? OR non of that and someone have to have opened the lock with a key.

 

[~Lyric~]

My goodness, Rest In Peace Nina~

 

[Theforeigner]

It has been stated that both Janina's wrists were fractured, and that she had a severe injury to the back of her head that would have killed her almost instantly

So I have researched to find out what kind of circumstances would result in head injury combined with both wrists fractured.


I found that the most common circumstances is when a person fall, head first, from some kind of hight, from a ladder, a horse, a balcony etc, and as a reflex outstretch her/his arms to break the fall /protect the head.

Now wether this was the case in Janina's death I have no idea, just found the information that both Janina's wrists were fractured kind of odd and tried to find some answers to what could caused that kind of injury.


Here is a typical example of how this kind of injury could happen:

http://www.newyorkinjurycasesblog.c...in-and-suffering-recovery-for-wrist-injuries/

"Francisco was working on a ladder. It shifted and he fell head first to the ground 14 feet below. With his arms outstretched to break his fall, both wrists were fractured."

 

[tiredblondy]

Hi tiredblondy

Since I haven't heard back from you yet, I have now sent the info the the Kansas City Police Department / Homicide Unit.

I hope your discovery help the case, and thanks again for your alertness

I'm so sorry I was without internet for a while. Thank you so much.

 

[tiredblondy]

This is interesting. This article was posted on Janina's mother's facebook page after she learned of Janina's death with no comments...

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/20/throwaways_recruited_by_police_thrown_into
Throwaways: Recruited by Police & Thrown into Danger, Young Informants are Drug War’s Latest Victims

I can't get the above info out of my head.( Her mother's Facebook page is under her name as referenced in several of the articles referenced previously.) Why would her mother post the above article on her Facebook page after learning of her death if it wasn't a hint? I think there's a lot more to this.

Hope I'm wrong but...also when I look at Nina's facebook page I can't help but wonder where are the responses to her posts. She's got all these friends but few comment on her posts or pictures...It's strange.
Nina's Facebook Page- https://www.facebook.com/xxninaxx874