Found Deceased MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found*

[Ontario Mom]

IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?

Nothing ever seems to align with suicide. I've followed cases where folks have made dental appointments, confirmed dinner or hotel/vacation reservations, just landed a new job, etc. And then days later, took their own lives. And it never, ever makes sense. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn he hitched a ride to where he was found and used a gun he purchased that he didn't tell anyone about.

jmo

 

[Teche]

Community holds candlelight vigil for Dr. John Forsyth

The candlelight vigil for an ER doctor found shot dead happened earlier Sunday.

www.ky3.com

Pretty telling comment from LE.

 

[neesaki]

The reporter "cut and dry" quote from the coroner wasn't in the video. I wish it had been. This was in the reporter's reply to a question in the FB comments associated with the video. Scroll through the comments.

I don’t see how a suicide by gunshot could be considered “cut and dry”. The only way it seems to me, it could be “cut and dry” , is if the gunshot entered his body from an angle / location that he couldn’t do to himself. JMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

She posted this yesterday on her [email protected] FB page.

Elizabeth VanMetre

initially they didn’t but Arkansas is investigating as a homicide

[email protected]

 

[neesaki]

If suicide, why would he not drive his own car to the lake where he was found? What would be the reason for leaving his car and hitching a ride? Just interested in your thoughts on that. TIA

 

[Lexiintoronto]

If suicide, why would he not drive his own car to the lake where he was found? What would be the reason for leaving his car and hitching a ride? Just interested in your thoughts on that. TIA

No turning back easily if his car is close by.

Sometimes a person will discard their shoes or their glasses, etc. on their way to a possible spot.

Or the car being left was an effort to stage the scene as something else, or he didn’t want to be found, imo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?

I don't know if this man died from suicide or not, but just wanted to say that people who die by suicide don't always have a prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts. This is especially true for physicians and people in similarly scrutinized fields because such diagnoses can affect licensure. My heart breaks for my fellow physicians who suffer in silence due to fears about the impact on their license, but it's a reality within the field and we all know it (it's also been talked about in the MSM). I'm pretty sure there are other fields that are similar.

 

[Vresia]

I don’t see how a suicide by gunshot could be considered “cut and dry”. The only way it seems to me, it could be “cut and dry” , is if the gunshot entered his body from an angle / location that he couldn’t do to himself. JMO

A combination of factors could make suicide cut and dry in this case. Let's say we learn that Dr. F purchased a gun from the guy in the white SUV. Perhaps there is email confirmation that Dr. F was trying to buy a gun from this guy. What if LE found the gun white SUV guy said he sold to the Dr in the lake. What if someone has told LE that they gave Dr. F a ride to Beaver Lake. What if investigators found a suicide note they established was written by Dr. F. We do not know what investigators have found. This is PURELY hypothetical. I am not suggesting ANY of this has happened. Cause of death isn't necessarily established by examination of the body & it's tissue alone.

 

[al66pine]

Chicken or Egg? Two stories, same MSM, Same Time of Pub.; SAME UPDATE TIME

One story includes the following sentence; the other does not.
"Police still do not suspect foul play."

Question (mostly rhetorical):
Was ^ sentence added or subtracted in the later story? I cannot tell which is the later story, because same url; same time & date of pub; same update time.

Or did I somehow bungle It up?

Anyway, @jellybean96 suggested, that sentence may be stale.

Annnd LE from two separate states may have differing theories about the case.
imo
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Same headline: "Community holds candlelight vigil for Dr. John Forsyth" Final ¶.

This story includes sentence in fianl ¶---
"Police still do not suspect foul play. The Benton County Sheriff’s Department said there is no immediate danger. We will update you when we have more details on anything related to this case."
Published: Jun. 11, 2023 at 10:24 PM MDT|Updated: 12 hours ago*

Community holds candlelight vigil for Dr. John Forsyth

The candlelight vigil for an ER doctor found shot dead happened earlier Sunday.

www.ky3.com

This story does not---
"The Benton County Sheriff’s Department said there is no immediate danger. We will update you when we have more details on anything related to this case."
Published: Jun. 11, 2023 at 10:24 PM MDT|Updated: 12 hours ago**

Community holds candlelight vigil for Dr. John Forsyth

The candlelight vigil for an ER doctor found shot dead happened earlier Sunday.

www.ky3.com

 

[al66pine]

I'm still waiting for some sort of definitive statement regarding COD from LE. The comment about they "still don't think" it's foul play leaves a few doors open, IMO.

@Mrs Watson
Reporter/story does not attribute --- "still don't think" it's foul play --- to specific SOURCE, either MO LE or to AR LE. Nor does it specify WHEN it said.
Not sure how much weight to give it.

IIRC, LE (AR) said remains had gunshot wound. Did stmt also say GSW was CoD?
Anyone? TiA

Like you, thinking a couple doors are still open.

 

[Vresia]

I reached out to Liam Garrity, the KY3 reporter that wrote this, to confirm that LE has recently told him that they STILL don't suspect foul play. I haven't heard this anywhere either, not since Dr. F's body was found.

Liam Garrity responded to my email requesting clarification on his comment that police "still don't suspect foul play." I said that I hadn't heard LE say this since before Dr. F's body was found. His response:

"Yes you are correct! But as of now we have had no police department tell us there was an indication of foul play. The autopsy should come out soon and we will find out more then."

I checked article and the "still don't suspect foul play" sentence has been removed.

I really appreciate how quickly LG responded to me and how quickly he corrected the article.

 

[Vresia]

dbm

 

[Cedars]

IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?

However, looked at another way, it could have been similar to giving an especially nice gift to one's mother on Mother's Day. Knowing that there is going to be pain ahead, a loving person may try to offer something that will comfort their loved one, assure them they were not to blame.

Not proof of anything, but also not inexplicable under either finding...

JMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IMO, the one thing that doesn't seem to align with suicide is getting engaged three days prior. We haven't been told of any prior history of depression or previous suicide attempts, so what changed in those three days?

I don't really disagree with you, but given the girlfriend's pregnancy, I would assume that the "promise" of a proposal of marriage was part of the agenda for a long time, at least 8 months (ha ha).

I know the family has indicated the "surprise" of the fiance. But, there is family all around that part of MO, and the fiance worked right in the same hospital. How is it possible that all this was a surprise?????????? Perplexes the hell out of me.

 

[Puzzles8]

Pretty telling comment from LE.

I agree, LE stating there is no danger to the community speaks volumes. LE seems to have a very good sense of what happened.
But why won't LE either declare it a suicide or a murder? That is the mystery to me.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

I agree, LE stating there is no danger to the community speaks volumes. LE seems to have a very good sense of what happened.
But why won't LE either declare it a suicide or a murder? That is the mystery to me.

JMO

Looking at another current case, it appears it took over a year before LE declared Eric Richins' death a homicide. It's not mentioned in the current coverage, but I don't believe his cause of death was declared as fentanyl overdose, or the manner of death as homicide, until they arrested his wife. Otherwise, I think the case would have attracted attention. So IMO, LE don't always release these things if they there's an advantage to the investigation to keep it quiet

JMO

 

[SimplyCass]

I agree, LE stating there is no danger to the community speaks volumes. LE seems to have a very good sense of what happened.
But why won't LE either declare it a suicide or a murder? That is the mystery to me.

JMO

I dunno. I don't interpret "no danger" meaning self-harm. To me, that just means that there isn't a serial killer out there, someone may already be in custody, or that this was a "hit" or JF was specifically targeted (which kind of links back to my first point, not a serial killer).

The only reason why I am not thinking self-harm is due to the distances involved, something like 30 miles away from the lake. But I also don't consider things like personal beliefs, religion, no suicide note, or no change in routine, as reasons against self-harm.

All IMO.

 

[Ed Teach]

We're going on nothing here until that autopsy report comes out.

 

[DeDee]

June 1, 2023

The Missouri doctor found dead in Arkansas on Tuesday, more than a week after he was reported missing, was discovered in Beaver Lake by a kayaker and had what appeared to be a gunshot wound, authorities said Wednesday. << >> A kayaker called 911 at 4:43 p.m. on Tuesday
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/jun/01/kayaker-at-beaver-lake-finds-missing-missouri/

It doesn't seem as though the doctor expected to quickly return to his RV since he toted these inside of his Infiniti; plus, wasn't his passport inside his car:

"The doctor's unlocked vehicle with his wallet, two phones, a laptop and other items had been found May 21 near an aquatic park.

Benton County Sheriff's Office deputies went to the scene and found Forsyth dead in the water with what appeared to be a gunshot wound, according to the release."

Is there easy access to a boat ramp for someone to shoot him and toss his body in the water without needing a bridge to drop him from?

Why a living person sinks and a dead person floats in water

WebJul 30, 2019 · Since the limbs and the head can only drape forward from the body, the corpses tend to rotate such that the torso floats face-down with the arms and legs dangling

 

[Snoopster]

A combination of factors could make suicide cut and dry in this case. Let's say we learn that Dr. F purchased a gun from the guy in the white SUV. Perhaps there is email confirmation that Dr. F was trying to buy a gun from this guy. What if LE found the gun white SUV guy said he sold to the Dr in the lake. What if someone has told LE that they gave Dr. F a ride to Beaver Lake. What if investigators found a suicide note they established was written by Dr. F. We do not know what investigators have found. This is PURELY hypothetical. I am not suggesting ANY of this has happened. Cause of death isn't necessarily established by examination of the body & it's tissue alone.

If it was a 'cut and dry' suicide, then why hasn't LE come out and said that so everyone can move on? Yet they remain silent.