MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[wfgodot]

Good post. Thanks for maintaining a voice of reason... Seriously.

Happy to be of service. Thanks for the thanks.

 

[Elley Mae]

I have not kept up or read into the "Teen", with that said I am wondering if this teen is someone that jeremy's son played with before deborah even came into the picture.

 

[JBean]

I posted this last night - it's the only printed source I have found (bbm):

Thanks anyway belimom. I was just hoping to find something that quotes it from LE, but after watching beane's linked video-they are not going to say it at this time.

 

[mck16]

:waitasec: so mom and teenage boy were close?What was Dad saying.. people in the list included "women that cheat on their husbands" ... could that be a bit of reverse psychology?

Where does it say that? ja

 

[Shelby1]

Good morning everyone!

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving (N/T, your mom doing my favorites again??? I'm coming up )


I skimmed last night's stuff and didn't see anything major that I need to add to the timeline. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

Lisa Irwin Timeline

A few good news/video links:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 6 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
Irwin, an electrician, said he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley said she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m., then fell asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/10/07/2011-10-07_fbi_is_looking_for_missing_missouri_toddler_lisa_irwin_in_kansas_landfill_for_a_.html#ixzz1aDuFH5lM

Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-off...-baby-in-kansas-city-20111004,0,3181219.story


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. Father calls 911 around 4:04 a.m.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
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**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
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Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)
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http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

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**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4

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Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG

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Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011
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(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago

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**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

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Saturday October 8, 2011

Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-07/news/30255015_1_fbi-agents-kansas-city-police-landfill/2

**Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
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Tweets (thank you BeanE)

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
32 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
57 minutes ago

Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy



**Parents agree to meet with police today

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.
The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.
This comes after police on Thursday had said Irwin and Bradley were no longer cooperating with detectives. The parents have denied this.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents



**Parents trying to set up trust fund to encourage more tips.

Mike LeRette — a cousin of the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, and a spokesman for the family — said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund that would accept donations for a reward fund.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html#ixzz1aDYVW4N6




Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

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CliffJudy Cliff Judy
CSI crew is back at the #LisaIrwin home with metal detectors. http://img.ly/9dL6
2 minutes ago


CliffJudy Cliff Judy
CSI crew now scanning the front yard at #LisaIrwin house. Offc says Capt. Young will be here shortly to explain.
1 minute ago


NimaKCTV5 Nima Shaffe
Detectives from @kcpolice at this home in #LisaIrwin neighborhood for the second time.

KCTV5_6AM Alex Spearman
@kcpolice say parents of #LisaIrwin are sitting down with investigators right now.
2 minutes ago


NimaKCTV5 2 hours 14 mins ago Twitter
Detectives from @kcpolice at this home in #LisaIrwin neighborhood for the second time. Updates on #KCTV5 News at 6 & 10 yfrog.com/nv3btaj--


**the above is the teen neighbor’s house.


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-brad...,1316565.story (Reporter David Dunn)

Debbie Netz Bradley IS still married to her first husband.

myKCTV5 Amy Anderson
The lines of communication are open once again...between KCMO police and Lisa Irwin's parents. Detectives are with them now. #LisaIrwin
48 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
#LisaIrwin parents meeting once again w/ #KansasCity PD detectives as we speak. #missingbaby
1 minute ago

Missing Baby's Extended Family Discusses Mom's Past

Video report

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-brad...,1316565.story



Jeanne P: was front door locked or unlocked?

Mom: I don't remember

Computer room window left open
Doesn’t remember if she locked the front door or not
JI asked why screen popped out on window?
Then JI says Baby’s door open, JI went back to check and she is not there

Mother felt panic
Boys woke up and crying
JI used work phone to call 911
re 3 cell phones missing

Captain: i can confirm family told us 3 cells taken, but if that led to anything we would have put that out...


Captain Young: re phone call at 2:38 from 1 of phones
can't discuss
i challenge anyone to think of anything we haven't done

Jeanne P: father's car broken into last month; he made a police report


Sunday October 9, 2011

 

[curiositycat]

I thought there had been reports of the teen being questioned and of them taking a DNA sample. There have been many articles that reported this.

I know they did take a DNA sample, but I think if they had anything the teen would still be in questioning, and not the parents.

I think the teen knows something. I noticed in the picture we have seen(link in the thread) there are other teens being questioned. I can't see them letting the teen out of their sight if the teen was truly a suspect.

Why would they still be questioning the parents, why wouldn't they be on the teen like white on rice trying to find out where the baby is?

 

[Chris_Texas]

In fairness as I see it they can't really win, too much exposure and they get accusations of media-whoring themselves, so they pull themselves back and they get accused of hiding something or not trying hard enough. They have publicized the fact that the baby has been abducted yet the media seem to want to focus only on the implication by LE that 'the mom did it' and therefore many aren't buying the abduction so aren't going to bother looking. It's entirely possible the mom DID do it but right now, when there is NO evidence pointing either way, LE, the press and the public have a duty to at least give them the benefit of the doubt. The extended family print and hang posters and they're accused of putting them in the 'wrong' places at the 'wrong' times, they try to make t-shirts or set up a fund to get a reward they're accused of profiteering. Get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt, don't get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt. No they really can't win.

Respectfully...

The reason she "cannot win" is that it is close to a statistical certainty that someone in the family did this, and the only theory suggesting otherwise is, to put it mildly, more than a little ludicrous.

In real life the plot twists are few and far between. Of the hundreds of thousands of serious crimes committed every year all but a few are committed by the obvious suspect -- it really is the blood splattered guy in a hockey mask clutching a chainsaw. Casey Anthony really did kill her kid, the Ramseys murdered Jon Benet, OJ killed Nicole, it's not as interesting or dramatic as believing there is some super sneaky maniac running around, but there it is.

In this case there is, at this point, only ONE real suspect. Mom. We don't know her motive and maybe couldn't understand it if we did. It's irrelevant. My fear in this case is that mommy learned something from watching the Anthony trial, that she learned that the best possible way to ensure a reasonable doubt is to hide the body and play the victim.

 

[Kimster]

Here's our WS thread on polygraphs: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127831"]How accurate is a polygraph? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[NancyA]

Yep. Other than statistics, so far, this one is truly a fence-sitter.

We're gonna need a big fence I think.

Something on the scale of the Great Wall of China should cover it. :fence:

 

[momtective]

Why was the teen in the house early in the day?

I have no idea why he was in the house...I just know it's been reported that he was in the house.

On Friday, investigators questioned a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor apparently was at the home the day Lisa vanished and knew the access code to the family's garage.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

 

[wfgodot]

Fox went back and rewrote the story to take out the "failed miserably" statement.

Debbie said in one of her interviews that LE said she failed one question in the poly. The Fox reporter was wrong by over dramatizing the statement.

Thanks. Thought it had to have been removed after the fact.

 

[BeanE]

To me it looks like the person on the steps has the neckline of his shirt pulled up covering the lower half of his face.

Is the person on the steps related in some way to this case?

 

[curiositycat]

Respectfully...

The reason she "cannot win" is that it is close to a statistical certainty that someone in the family did this, and the only theory suggesting otherwise is, to put it mildly, more than a little ludicrous.

In real life the plot twists are few and far between. Of the hundreds of thousands of serious crimes committed every year all but a few are committed by the obvious suspect -- it really is the blood splattered guy in a hockey mask clutching a chainsaw. Casey Anthony really did kill her kid, the Ramseys murdered Jon Benet, OJ killed Nicole, it's not as interesting or dramatic as believing there is some super sneaky maniac running around, but there it is.

In this case there is, at this point, only ONE real suspect. Mom. We don't know her motive and maybe couldn't understand it if we did. It's irrelevant. My fear in this case is that mommy learned something from watching the Anthony trial, that she learned that the best possible way to ensure a reasonable doubt is to hide the body and play the victim.

That is my fear in a lot of these cases. :sick:

 

[momtective]

But why would the teen do this? :waitasec:

I ask myself that about every child I read about who's hurt or killed by another person...Why?

 

[Cher352]

Why was the teen in the house early in the day?

I would like to know that too.

Do we know that the teen in the picture is the one that LE took a DNA sample from or could there have been yet another teen in the neighborhood being questioned?

 

[RoseTree]

I agree, my almost 3 year old weighs 32 lbs and everyone always comments she's tall for her age and she has always been at the top of the growth chart for height and weight. She is of normal build also.

Makes me wonder what her weight was at her last doctors appointment and when that was.

I'm thinking more like 20lbs, she does not look like a large child from her pictures.

My ENORMOUS 2 year old who ranges between 75th to 97th percentile and has since birth, is 31 pounds. My 4 year old is 34 pounds, a little less than average. He is 4 today. If Lisa were 30 pounds, or really even 26, I believe that we would be looking at a much larger baby in stature.

This has bothered me since the beginning. 30 pounds AND 30 inches? Holy smokes. My 31 pound 2 year old is 37 inches tall and is big, 30/30 would be a chunk for sure.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I got a screen shot of the computer room. The window screen is against the wall on the floor. To me the opening looks large enough for a person to get through. I'm not sure why police stated that it wouldn't have been the entry point.

View attachment 19091

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-talk-police-reward-fund/story?id=14698959

BBM Or hand a baby to someone outside, that way if anyone woke up they din't see the baby being carried out.

 

[grandmaj]

What do we know about the teen? Only that he had DNA taken because he was in the house right? He hasn't been named a POI. He hasn't spoken. He hasn't been identified because he is a MINOR.

Accusing a minor and continuing to discuss him as though he is a suspect is against our TOS. HE is a minor. We are not going to guess that a MINOR is the one based on a picture. Showing a picture of a house that isn't up to our standards is unfair. Perhaps they are poor. A teenager can't be blamed for the condition of his family home.

Sooooooo let's back off on accusing a minor unless we have credible reports that he is named such by LE. Stop posting the screen shot of his home. The video of the questioning of many is out there. But he hasn't been brought in for questioning that we know. The rule on MINOR sleuthing is in full force here. Don't do it.

 

[yllek]

Thanks yllek. Do you have a link so I can see what other information,if any, is provided by the source?

It was reported during a tv morning report - no transcript.

Here is a brief statement about it from Fox News later that day:

Sources are saying that the mother of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin took a lie detector test and “failed miserably.” While Kansas City Police Captain Steve Young won’t confirm that, he does confirm that as of last night Irwin’s parents are not cooperating with police.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/0...n’s-parents-still-not-cooperating/#more-77271

 

[NancyA]

Respectfully...

The reason she "cannot win" is that it is close to a statistical certainty that someone in the family did this, and the only theory suggesting otherwise is, to put it mildly, more than a little ludicrous.

In real life the plot twists are few and far between. Of the hundreds of thousands of serious crimes committed every year all but a few are committed by the obvious suspect -- it really is the blood splattered guy in a hockey mask clutching a chainsaw. Casey Anthony really did kill her kid, the Ramseys murdered Jon Benet, OJ killed Nicole, it's not as interesting or dramatic as believing there is some super sneaky maniac running around, but there it is.

In this case there is, at this point, only ONE real suspect. Mom. We don't know her motive and maybe couldn't understand it if we did. It's irrelevant. My fear in this case is that mommy learned something from watching the Anthony trial, that she learned that the best possible way to ensure a reasonable doubt is to hide the body and play the victim.

Yep, ITA, those pesky statistics are always getting in the way of my more ludicrous theories but on the plus side I thought KCA was guilty too so I guess I'm not always wrong. :wink: