MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[HatesSociopaths]

But last night Deborah said a neighbor was over right before all this happened.

Perhaps the neighbor was told the baby was in her room sleeping. Definitely worth looking into!

 

[mck16]

If you look at the image attached I was responding to in THAT post, there is NO teen sitting on the porch. I was just stating that these two ('a teen' being questioned and 'this house' are in fact the same. I did NOT respond to the image where A teen is sitting on the porch!

That is exactly what I was remembering about your post. Glad you posted the above. Certainly a lot of confusion among people. I don't really understand why. jmo

 

[norest4thewicked]

KCTVPhotog_Josh Josh Collins
More police arriving at #LisaIrwin home. yfrog.com/oc9wnqj
4 minutes ago

....here we go....

 

[SyraKelly]

I so hope today is the day Lisa is found!!

 

[Cher352]

And the search happening while the family (although I don't know if that includes the parents) are out at the raceway selling tshirts and passing out flyers.

Know this coming from New station tweets but does anyone know if any of the local stations doing a live feed?

 

[BeanE]

I am getting goose bumps!

I asked this guy a few minutes ago if this search is with a warrant or an agreed-to search, and he said:

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
@CaseSignal I honestly have no idea. Detectives aren't talking to us.
13 minutes ago

 

[tlcya]

ackkkkk I cant find any live coverage, if there are folks watching live coverage can you post what you are seeing? Thanks so much.

 

[JBean]

I have a question regarding the 'they took our cell phones so we couldn't call 911" comment since I didn't actually hear it.
Was this said to mean:
they took our cell phones so(as a consequence of) we couldn't call 911?
OR
they took our cell phones so (with the intent to prevent)we couldn't call 911?

IOW, is their position that the cell phones were taken to keep them from calling 911 or the cell phones were taken and as such they had no way to call 911?

 

[Shelby1]

Hmmmm.....I just wonder what they heck is at that house that they've not known about before?


Very interesting.

 

[norest4thewicked]

LE doesn't run code for a search warrant....

 

[BeanE]

I have a sheet my pediatric gave me for correct dosage.

Tylenol ( acetaminophen )
10-14 pounds 1/2 tsp
15-19 pounds 3/4 tsp
20-24 pounds 1 tsp
25-30 pounds 1 1/4 tsp

Ibuprofen
10-14 pounds 1/2 tsp
15-19 pounds 3/4 tsp
20-24 pounds 1 tsp
25-30 pounds 1 1/4 tsp

Now at 1 yr my daughter weighed 21 pounds So that would of been 1 tsp. Now this is just regular. Everyone knows under a certain age ( i can not tell you, I do not give my kids it anyways) to not give multi symptom drugs meds.

Okay, I *do* need new glasses. I read that as # of lbs of Tylenol and Ibuprofen to take. :floorlaugh:

(And it seems about the right # of lbs I need for the headache I have right now! lol)

 

[Shelby1]

I have a question regarding the 'they took our cell phones so we couldn't call 911" comment since I didn't actually hear it.
Was this said to mean:
they took our cell phones so(as a consequence of) we couldn't call 911?
OR
they took our cell phones so (with the intent to prevent)we couldn't call 911?

IOW, is their position that the cell phones were taken to keep them from calling 911 or the cell phones were taken and as such they had no way to call 911?

IMO, it was the latter. As in, they had no way to call 911.

 

[vlpate]

Hi all-
LONGTIME lurker....firstime poster. Just wanted to share a story with all of you. This is because until this (story) happened to a friend of mine, I ALWAYS had major doubts about the 'stranger came in the middle of the night', as statistics alone show this is very rare. BUT...this incident below happened to my friend just a few months ago, and about 30 days later, a similar circumstance at another home about 5 minutes away. These stories were not in our local news, or ANY reports anywhere. I just know about them first hand.....so there must be plenty of 'attempts' we just are never made aware of. I didn't use anyones actual names in this story to protect their privacy. Here is the story-

On Friday XXXX 24th at 1:00 am HUSBAND and I were sound asleep and I was awakened into a lighter sleep because I heard what I thought was HUSBAND opening our window. It seemed to be a struggle for him to get it open and was taking him forever. I asked him what he was doing and when he replied mumbling like he didn't know what I was talking about, I realized he was still sound asleep and that was not him trying to open our window. I jumped out of bed, turned on the flashlight and frantically kept saying HONEY, HONEY, HONEY, someone is opening our window. After HE woke up and him looking at me like I was crazy, we saw the window, which had been closed for the night, half open and the screen behind the window totally pulled up (which was also closed prior). The person must have ran off, but our blinds and drapes were closed so we couldn't see anything. We immediately called 911 while running into the girls rooms to make sure they were okay, thank God, they were. We also ran and locked all of our windows, which I never do...that will obviously change. When the police came to investigate, they saw the Little Tikes baby slide had been pushed up under our window as a ladder. They did fingerprinting on the window and took the screen and slide for fingerprinting. They brought a canine from the XXXX police department to come sniff and follow the person's scent. The canines showed that this person parked at the end of our street, hugged close to each house until it got to ours and went right into the backyard, to the slide, and to our window. Amazing that a dog can figure all of this out, but this made me more nervous because it obviously shows this person had intent in coming to our house and didn't even try a door. It's almost as if he had planned that he was coming through the window in advance. The police said it's a weird situation since it was obvious people were home since there were cars in the driveway. Again, which makes all of us nervous because it makes us think he wasn't looking to steal things, but more with an evil intent, as stealing is mostly done during the day when people are not home. I'm obviously upset and all I can keep thinking is this person wanted to hurt one of us or kidnap one of the girls. It is going to take a long time for me to get over this.

I will say, I have so many praises from this situation because I have no doubt that God was protecting us. Praise God he tried to come in through our window, one window over and it was baby's room. Honestly, I can't even let myself think about what would have happened. Praise God our windows stink and are really hard and loud to open because if we had nice new windows, I don't think I would have heard it. Thank God I woke up when I did and realized that it was not HUSBAND opening the window, honestly one minute later would have made this story different.

So, what's next? We met with an alarm company yesterday and are getting a hard-core alarm system installed. Something we never thought we'd do is that we are seriously considering buying a dog, because we have read it's the number one way of preventing intruders from entering your home. We are pretty much willing to spend whatever we need to in order to protect our family. So sad that this happened, we are forever changed. I hope I can get over this fear and I am sure I will, with time. I never thought this would happen to us, but it's always one of those irrational fears that you think about, but push to the side.

Hope everyone locks your doors and windows at night!



That being said....one of the major red flags for me with Baby Lisa's case is from the FIRST interview I saw with the parents where they mentioned the missing cell phones...'they took them so we couldn't call 911'. I think it was a pre-planned answer. Maybe the dad asked the mom (if he truly came home and found Lisa missing)....why the he77 would they take the phones??....and she had already had an answer to offer up to him, mom desperately hoping dad would 'buy it'. Or, Lisa was not kidnapped, they needed to hide cells to hide something...and they discussed an excuse in advance together. I think it was the first HUGE stumbling block for LE in believing the story. Either parent could have easily said....'that's good, that's good!!!!' It's a way for the police to track them!!!

There's so much MORE to say and to find out. I pray there is some new info today!!

Your story made me remember a case in Dallas, Texas many years ago, in the late 80's, where a little boy was taken from his bedroom through his bedroom window. I don't know if he was ever found, but I do remember LE exhausting their list of possible POI's and came up with nothing. One thing they did point to as a possible reason this house and this room was targeted. There was a tricycle outside in the front yard, and on his window was a sticker indicating a child's room in case of fire. They felt the trike could have been what initially signaled this intruder that a small child lived in the house, and the sticker told him/her, exactly which room.

DB and JI had a child's playground in their backyard....sadly it is something to consider.

 

[kmartin96]

kmartin...not to be OT for this thread, but do you have a link where you gave your story? I'd be interested to read it.

Hi-It's post 406 in this thread. My first post, I'm a little lost. Hope I am replying to you in the correct way!

 

[Renea]

I asked this guy a few minutes ago if this search is with a warrant or an agreed-to search, and he said:

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
@CaseSignal I honestly have no idea. Detectives aren't talking to us.
13 minutes ago

Are you getting this info off twitter... Keep us posted.... now I feel ill. I can't hit refresh fast enough...

 

[BeanE]

KCTVPhotog_Josh Josh Collins
Police shooting exterior video of #LisaIrwin home. yfrog.com/j2kq9fjj
1 minute ago

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger

Police detectives taking video of the outside of #LisaIrwin's home. @NBCActionNews yfrog.com/hs6sxqsmj
1 minute ago

 

[Jayarre]

IMO, it was the latter. As in, they had no way to call 911.

But he pulled his work cell out of his pocket and called.

 

[Renea]

IMO, it was the latter. As in, they had no way to call 911.

But they did, he has his work cell.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Hi-It's post 406 in this thread. My first post, I'm a little lost. Hope I am replying to you in the correct way!

Yes...you are...and welcome to Websleuths!

 

[cluciano63]

I think our computers should "beep" when word "found" or "arrest" comes across, lol