MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[grandmaj]

Corrections made and reposting. Thanks! Original post edited upthread as well.

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

- I believe Debbi's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Debbi's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. S. B. was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.

OK so here is the dealio on these names. Since they have made public statements I'm going to leave the names.

This does not..... repeat NOT allow sleuthing on these individuals including the deceased MOM. 10-4?

 

[Donjeta]

It was just a bit strange to me how the spokesperson said they want to raise awareness about Lisa being missing and the effort to find Lisa and the next thing he said was the way they were going to do it was quit giving interviews.... :waitasec:


I don't think many people would blame a family for giving interviews to help spread the word about the disappearance and plead for the child's return. I've seen parents who diligently work to get the awareness praised as heroes and heroines.


No doubt it's a double edged sword if the parent's story is considered hinky.

 

[Tuffy]

I don't know if anyone else has remarked on this yet, but I just read that the dad said, "They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn't call anybody."

A couple of things strike me as odd about this statement.

First, the use of the word "they." Does he believe that more than one person is involved? Why? Or is he using "they" to mean the unknown perp, either singular or plural?

Second, why is he even guessing about, then offering an explanation for taking the phones during a kidnapping? Taking the phones during the kidnapping doesn't make sense, because the phones would track the perp. Then there is the danger of leaving your prints on an object that could be traced to the inside of the home. If the perp kept the phones they would ping their location.

Third, how does the perp know that these are the only phones? If they were thinking that the act of taking the three phones would prevent the people in the house from calling anyone, that would mean the perp would have intimate knowledge about that household. For all a stranger knew there could have been other phones.

Fourth, why didn't dad take his phone to work with him. I know he had his work phone, but why leave his personal phone at home?

ETA - http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-cell-phones-abduction/story?id=14679914

 

[LadyPirate]

I wonder about that too, could the break-in of his car a month ago, be related to that same thing.

I thought that was a really strange statement that they would put women who are cheating on their husbands as a possibility for someone who would take baby Lisa. Stranger still was that it was made by JI, a man:waitasec:

We know DB is not divorced as of yet. Is JI? Could this have been a hidden message to a spouse?

Strange, just so strange.

 

[Just K]

oh ok. Thanks. I may have misread. Some subsequent posts, IIRC, noted that he mentioned "women" rather then men but I could be wrong.

That was because he was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "people cheating on their husbands..."

Posters here assumed that meant women.

 

[JBean]

Did LE ever confirm that Debbi failed the poly? Or is the only source of that info Debbi? To tell a potential suspect that they failed an exam in an effort to evoke a response is such an old tool. But I don't think they would lie to the public in this regard. That is why I am wondering if that info has ever been confirmed by LE.
TIA.

 

[BeanE]

In fairness as I see it they can't really win, too much exposure and they get accusations of media-whoring themselves, so they pull themselves back and they get accused of hiding something or not trying hard enough. They have publicized the fact that the baby has been abducted yet the media seem to want to focus only on the implication by LE that 'the mom did it' and therefore many aren't buying the abduction so aren't going to bother looking. It's entirely possible the mom DID do it but right now, when there is NO evidence pointing either way, LE, the press and the public have a duty to at least give them the benefit of the doubt. The extended family print and hang posters and they're accused of putting them in the 'wrong' places at the 'wrong' times, they try to make t-shirts or set up a fund to get a reward they're accused of profiteering. Get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt, don't get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt. No they really can't win.

I think the concern people had regarding, as you call it, "media-whoring", was primarily regarding getting paid for it - not too much exposure in general. And when they made that "deal" with the national networks, and cut off the local media, who were doing much to get Lisa's picture and story out there.

And now, in addition to cutting off the local media exposure for Lisa, they announce that they'll be cutting back even more, which would be cutting the national exposure for Lisa.

I don't see it at all as damned if you do/damned if you don't.

I see it as confusion over parents of an endangered, defenseless, kidnapped baby cutting off a huge means of rescuing her, and asking themselves why in the world parents of a kidnapped infant would do that? How in the world will they find her?

Maybe they have some great secret plan that's even better than cooperating with LE (48 hour gap in that) and getting an abducted baby's picture out to as many people as possible via the media. I don't know. I can't think of what could possibly be anywhere near as effective.

How 'bout you? What plan, what means, can you think of that's better than cooperating with LE and getting your abducted baby's picture and notification that she's been kidnapped out to as many people as possible via media?

 

[matou]

I'm trying to remember. I'm thinking that they said the screen was still in the window when Dad got home. That he said he tried to close the window, but couldn't because the screen was bent, and that it was in trying to close the window and being unable to that he noticed the bent screen.

Anybody else who watched remember that?

Yes I remember now. But I remember just recently that the statements about what happened when the husband got home. He says 'why is screen out of the window?' and other questions. I think the wife was recounting what she remembers that night in an interview. It was all over the last thread. I seem to remember that the window was tampered with, enough that the husband noticed it when he got in.

 

[Tuffy]

I got a screen shot of the computer room. The window screen is against the wall on the floor. To me the opening looks large enough for a person to get through. I'm not sure why police stated that it wouldn't have been the entry point.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-talk-police-reward-fund/story?id=14698959

Maybe because DB said the screen had been pushed out, not in? or was it popped out?

 

[liltexans]

Everybody is always entitled to an opinion.

I don't think we've been informed that no one heard or saw anything but I could be wrong.

We wouldn't have so many unsolved crimes if someone always saw or heard something when people do unspeakable things at night.

Of course not, but if someone did see or hear something and/or if the police did find evidence in the home pointing to Deborah, then why are they saying the have no suspects? Why haven't they arrested her?

And FWIW, I find the husband to be much hinkier than Deborah, but I realize I'm in the minority with that opinion as well.

 

[peeples]

I live in Iowa and our local news has been covering this case, but sadly, not the way that I would like to see it covered.

Just now a little blurb came on, there was video of the police out with the MD. There was a video capture of the parents. But there was not a single picture of Lisa, no description of Lisa and no phone number to call if you had any information....Nadda.

Seriously? Iowa is right next door to Missouri with I35 being a major route of travel between the two states and Iowa having the closest connection to I80.

I think it was a bad idea to make a "deal" with a national network, it makes other networks want to stray away from posting images of Lisa.

I'm in NE Iowa and our local news has been showing her photo

 

[yllek]

Did LE ever confirm that Debbi failed the poly? Or is the only source of that info Debbi? To tell a potential suspect that they failed an exam in an effort to evoke a response is such an old tool. But I don't think they would lie to the public in this regard. That is why I am wondering if that info has ever been confirmed by LE.
TIA.

A source "close to LE" said she failed it miserably, according to FOX News. LE hasn't publicly commented on the LDT results, AFAIK.

 

[BeanE]

Did LE ever confirm that Debbi failed the poly? Or is the only source of that info Debbi? To tell a potential suspect that they failed an exam in an effort to evoke a response is such an old tool. But I don't think they would lie to the public in this regard. That is why I am wondering if that info has ever been confirmed by LE.
TIA.

So far as I remember, LE has consistently refused to comment.

 

[curiositycat]

We know DB is not divorced as of yet. Is JI? Could this have been a hidden message to a spouse?

Strange, just so strange.

Well, I am just going to speculate that a single man, with a good job that owned his own home would have been considered a good catch and therefore must of had a few girlfriends prior to DB.

Hard to speculate further without knowing more, but I expect that KC LE is looking at that.

The Police Captain, sorry can't bring his name to mind only 2 sips of coffee, stated that anything that the public can think of has been thought of by the detectives too.

 

[Filly]

I think you meant Debi's deceased mom is named Lisa
Her dad is DN.

Don't worry, it's early, and I am brewing coffee as I write this.

Haven't been following this case, but I was wondering what is the connection between the Netz's and Delaware? At first I thought that Deborah Netz Bradley herself hadn't lived there, but checked and she had. Our news has been reporting her relatives are in Delaware and praying for baby Lisa.

TIA if anyone knows. I also saw she lived in Fort Bragg as well.

 

[Tuffy]

Of course not, but if someone did see or hear something and/or if the police did find evidence in the home pointing to Deborah, then why are they saying the have no suspects? Why haven't they arrested her?

And FWIW, I find the husband to be much hinkier than Deborah, but I realize I'm in the minority with that opinion as well.

I don't know who I think is hinkier, mom or dad, but dad is definitely acting strangely to me. IMO

 

[JBean]

A source "close to LE" said she failed it miserably, according to FOX News. LE hasn't publicly commented on the LDT results, AFAIK.

Thanks yllek. Do you have a link so I can see what other information,if any, is provided by the source?

 

[anothersheart71]

Corrections made and reposting. Thanks! Original post edited upthread as well.

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

- I believe Debbi's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Debbi's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

Debbie's father is David Netz, Jr.....her grandfather is David Netz Sr.....hope this helps!

 

[mrye4709]

Has information been put out about Lisa's clothing, diaper or shoe size? Or can she walk? Little quirks, food she doesn't like? What words can she say?I would think in looking for a child these things would be good to know. If she is very large for her age, then someone obtaining size 24 mth clothes might not ring a bell for anyone if they assume a 10 mth old would wear 12-18 mth clothing.

 

[Elley Mae]

Did LE ever confirm that Debbi failed the poly? Or is the only source of that info Debbi? To tell a potential suspect that they failed an exam in an effort to evoke a response is such an old tool. But I don't think they would lie to the public in this regard. That is why I am wondering if that info has ever been confirmed by LE.
TIA.

everything that I have read and seen, Deborah is the one that divulged that info not LE