MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[yllek]

OK so here is the dealio on these names. Since they have made public statements I'm going to leave the names.

This does not..... repeat NOT allow sleuthing on these individuals including the deceased MOM. 10-4?

Understood grandmaj. Just was getting harder to to keep up with statements and relations as more family members come into the MSM. Not intended for sleuthing purposes.

 

[keeponsearching]

I do not think the family is involved. It shows that someone wanted that baby, and watched for a long time, for the perfect opportunity. I would think it would be much easier to snatch a baby with bedroom doors closed, and someone would only know that if they have been watching. Someone would know when the husband started his night shift. They need to think way back, if they had a yard sale, someone fix something in the house, or even someone at a doctors appointment, grocery store, some where someone had interest in this child, and it might not be easy to remember.

 

[BeanE]

Thanks yllek. Do you have a link so I can see what other information,if any, is provided by the source?

I'm pretty this is the video, but I didn't re-watch it to be sure.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/07/police-captain-baby-lisa-irwin’s-parents-still-not-cooperating/

 

[NancyA]

I think the concern people had regarding, as you call it, "media-whoring", was primarily regarding getting paid for it - not too much exposure in general. And when they made that "deal" with the national networks, and cut off the local media, who were doing much to get Lisa's picture and story out there.

And now, in addition to cutting off the local media exposure for Lisa, they announce that they'll be cutting back even more, which would be cutting the national exposure for Lisa.

I don't see it at all as damned if you do/damned if you don't.

I see it as confusion over parents of an endangered, defenseless, kidnapped baby cutting off a huge means of rescuing her, and asking themselves why in the world parents of a kidnapped infant would do that? How in the world will they find her?

Maybe they have some great secret plan that's even better than cooperating with LE (48 hour gap in that) and getting an abducted baby's picture out to as many people as possible via the media. I don't know. I can't think of what could possibly be anywhere near as effective.

How 'bout you? What plan, what means, can you think of that's better than cooperating with LE and getting your abducted baby's picture and notification that she's been kidnapped out to as many people as possible via media?

That's what I see too - confusion, this entire thing as far as PR is concerned appears to have been woefully mishandled by ALL parties involved but I think on the part of the parents and extended family it's mostly a lack of good advice, they appear to be floundering with no real support from anyone in the professional arena and no one seems to be willing to step forward and offer them that support that we see in other cases. LE and the media with far more EXPERIENCE in these matters have far less EXCUSE, regardless of their suspicions they still have a duty to explore other possibilities IMO.

ETA in their position I have no idea how I would react or behave but I would hope I could continue to cooperate with LE in the face of any suspicions of me and continue to reach out to the media and public in the face of hostility and indifference. Easy for me to say of course since I am NOT in their position.

 

[JBean]

The only link I'm finding to that "failed miserably" statement is Fox (and "the Examiner"). So God only knows.

I am also wondering if the source is quoting Debbi. I really need the context. I am just trying to separate out the facts and evidence to see if anything beyond statistics is implicating the parents.
I have followed enough cases to know that parents are number 1 on the list and understandably so. But I am also trying to determine if there is any solid information one way or the other regarding parents vs IDI.

 

[Cazzie]

Here are just a few of the posts about it. Sorry you missed them!



Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 october 2011 #9

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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 october 2011 #9


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 october 2011 #9


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 october 2011 #9

Thanks...I didn't miss the gobs of posts discussing or debating the general practice of open or closed bedroom doors.

Since all I'd seen/read in MSM from the parents was that they close Lisa's door when she goes to sleep for the nite, it perked me up to read here that they close all the bedroom doors at nite.

Was just trying to evaluate the feasibility of the intruder story with regard to what each parent has said over time...including the lites and the doors.

Perhaps they both said "all bedroom doors" in this interview. One poster said "Deb said it" and another poster said "he said it".

And sometimes posters aren't clear on whether they've seen/heard it themselves or are going by what someone else posted.

Need coffee!!! :crazy:

 

[LadyPirate]

As for the media thing, IMO, it could be because they do NOT want Lisa's picture out there. If the child has been given away, or sold, and this is all hypothetical, then you wouldn't want anybody to recognize her now would you? The way children grow and change, in 2 or 3 months, she probably wouldn't be as recognizable when out and about.

When flying within the US, do children have to have any kind of ID, especially if they are going to sit on the lap? I know internationally they have to have a passport, and sometimes, it's necessary to provide documentation that you have permission to take the child out of the country.

I keep hoping that this child is with someone who wanted a child, but maybe they only wanted a blond haired, blue eyed child. One that would look more like themselves.

 

[heartfortruth]

Did LE ever confirm that Debbi failed the poly? Or is the only source of that info Debbi? To tell a potential suspect that they failed an exam in an effort to evoke a response is such an old tool. But I don't think they would lie to the public in this regard. That is why I am wondering if that info has ever been confirmed by LE.
TIA.

and something I am not sure of, possibly missed, is whether or not LE ACTUALLY ACCUSED DB of anything.."you did it"! ..or is that just what DB SAID they told her?.....maybe how she interpreted what they were saying?? .....
Anyone fill in my "blanks' ? TIA
(I'll now use the "old" and "need coffee" excuses for my ignorance on this subject.....lol)

 

[wfgodot]

I am also wondering if the source is quoting Debbi. I really need the context. I am just trying to separate out the facts and evidence to see if anything beyond statistics is implicating the parents.
I have followed enough cases to know that parents are number 1 on the list and understandably so. But I am also trying to determine if there is any solid information one way or the other regarding parents vs IDI.

Tried to find even a Fox link which stated specifically that Debbi did say it, but even failed at that. I've googled and seen the "failed miserably" phrase come up in the info quoting from the link, but then couldn't find it at the link itself. Still looking though!

 

[keeponsearching]

I do not believe in Polys. Looking back didn't Keven Fox fail one, or did LE just say he did, I can not remember. But we know the outcome to who took Riley

 

[momtective]

I went to bed with the teen on my mind. I do believe he is connected in some way.

Me too and sometimes a pictures is worth a thousand words.

 

[Elley Mae]

Bradley, 25, also admitted on Friday that she had failed a voluntary lie-detector test that was administered by police.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/

Bradley also said police accused her of failing a polygraph test. Police said they could not comment on this claim, but said Bradley is "free to say whatever she wants."

http://www.klpw.com/content/missing-baby-lisa-parents-talk-police-reward-fund-set-0

 

[Cher352]

Anyone else wish that some of the detectives working on this case were included in the news conferences? Too many times in the captain's conferences he says he doesn't know the answer to a question that is asked but states the investigators would know that.

 

[keeponsearching]

As for the media thing, IMO, it could be because they do NOT want Lisa's picture out there. If the child has been given away, or sold, and this is all hypothetical, then you wouldn't want anybody to recognize her now would you? The way children grow and change, in 2 or 3 months, she probably wouldn't be as recognizable when out and about.

When flying within the US, do children have to have any kind of ID, especially if they are going to sit on the lap? I know internationally they have to have a passport, and sometimes, it's necessary to provide documentation that you have permission to take the child out of the country.

I keep hoping that this child is with someone who wanted a child, but maybe they only wanted a blond haired, blue eyed child. One that would look more like themselves.

I don't think you need anything for babies to fly on laps, or even toddlers sitting next to you. They say bring a copy of birth crtificate, but I did not when I traveled with my children. I will say that Lisa looks like every friends of mine daughter...

 

[Gardenlady]

Me too and sometimes a pictures is worth a thousand words.

This is still my theory as well, the teen being involved.

That pic does peak volumes.

 

[Renea]

Seems to me... from the interviews.... if someone knew the family... they would have waited for Mom to be away... not the dad. Mom is the Alpha in that family!

 

[lajr56]

oh ok. Thanks. I may have misread. Some subsequent posts, IIRC, noted that he mentioned "women" rather then men but I could be wrong.

I've been lurking but this is my first post on this thread. I just wanted to jump in and say to be fair, he also mentioned people who had been in the house recently, people who had been in the house a long time ago, anyone they know who may have had recently had a miscarriage, etc. All of which make perfect sense.

 

[Tuffy]

I do not think the family is involved. It shows that someone wanted that baby, and watched for a long time, for the perfect opportunity. I would think it would be much easier to snatch a baby with bedroom doors closed, and someone would only know that if they have been watching. Someone would know when the husband started his night shift. They need to think way back, if they had a yard sale, someone fix something in the house, or even someone at a doctors appointment, grocery store, some where someone had interest in this child, and it might not be easy to remember.

But wasn't it mentioned that this wasn't a usual night-shift job he was working? There was no set end-time. So the perp wouldn't know when dad might be getting home. It doesn't sound like the perfect time to me. It sounds like a more risky time. Dad is known to be awake, and could show up at any time.

 

[Just K]

Haven't been following this case, but I was wondering what is the connection between the Netz's and Delaware? At first I thought that Deborah Netz Bradley herself hadn't lived there, but checked and she had. Our news has been reporting her relatives are in Delaware and praying for baby Lisa.

TIA if anyone knows. I also saw she lived in Fort Bragg as well.

Her "almost ex-husband" has been reported to have been in the military. So that might explain Fort Bragg, at least.

 

[yllek]

Okay, I corrected Debbi's father's name ("Jr." not "Sr.") and corrected the original post 75. In attempt to minimize confusion, I think I created more temporarily! Thanks for pointing out the errors - all fixed now.

Note: Deborah Lee Bradley is commonly referred to as "Debbi" by family and in MSM - but spellings vary according to source.

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM
-I believe Debbi's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Debbi's dad, David Netz, Jr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. S. B. was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.