MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[BeanE]

5. The teen would probably know about Jeremy's new job and that he would be working that night.

6. LE is obviously interested in the teen as we have not see an LE presence at any other neighborhood home.

5 - Why would the teen probably know about Jeremy's job?

6 - How do you know this is the teen's home? Was the teen's name and address released and tracked to this picture or something?

I'm so totally confused. I feel like an idiot. Please fill me in.

TIA

 

[Chris_Texas]

We could wonder why if the the mom had something to do with it, why leave the lights on to question why an abductor would turn the lights on. It would make more sense if the lights stayed off and the cells stayed put if the mom had something to do with it. jmo

Respectfully, this is circular logic. You are suggesting that, because it did NOT look like an intruder, it probably was an intruder, and this exonerates mom. Let's reverse this: if the lights were turned off, the door locked, the cell phones in place, would you then say that these facts implicate mom?

 

[Gardenlady]

I'm not understanding. How does this picture speak volumes that the teen is involved?

TIA

Sorry BeanE I missed this, thread moving fast again.

I think the teen is involved based on other factors listed before (fits details we know, DNA sample taken, etc) but the picture says a lot to me based on the posture of the people in it. They appear pretty confrontational in the group on the left, or at least heated or quite serious. The person alone on the step seems overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

So it's not that the pic is evidence of involvement, just says a lot going on, and something serious going on there, to me.

 

[mrye4709]

I wish I could pause you guys, my kitchen is calling and I know when I come back there will be 20 pages, lol.

 

[stilettos]

What do we know about the teen? Only that he had DNA taken because he was in the house right? He hasn't been named a POI. He hasn't spoken. He hasn't been identified because he is a MINOR.

Accusing a minor and continuing to discuss him as though he is a suspect is against our TOS. HE is a minor. We are not going to guess that a MINOR is the one based on a picture. Showing a picture of a house that isn't up to our standards is unfair. Perhaps they are poor. A teenager can't be blamed for the condition of his family home.

Sooooooo let's back off on accusing a minor unless we have credible reports that he is named such by LE. Stop posting the screen shot of his home. The video of the questioning of many is out there. But he hasn't been brought in for questioning that we know. The rule on MINOR sleuthing Minors is in full force here. Don't do it.

Thank you. Had anyone shown a pic of me in front of my home in my youth...they would have assumed I would not amount to much. I had no choice and was quite ashamed of the condition of my home. Never brought anyone home. Thankfully, I am living proof that you can climb out of the projects. A great education can do that for you, and thank you to the State of Georgia DFCS, Georgia schools and UGA for the full ride. Be proud to stand in front of my home in a pic today.

The child involved will either be outed by LE as a suspect or not. Until then, I just feel bad for him.

 

[Kimster]

:fence:I'm sitting on the fence with y'all too. :fence:

In the Jonathan Foster case, it was a woman who lived across the street who abducted him. There was some speculation about his family before the woman was arrested, though they were not made suspect by LE, IIRC.

I think it's wise to keep our eyes and minds wide open at this stage.

Where are you, baby Lisa? :rose:

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

Many are reportedly saying the mother has a "checkered past" and I don't agree with the media representation of such. Yes, she has an ex that she is not legally divorced, and he is serving in the army, and by the report it stated that her ex in-laws said they can't wrap their minds around Lisa harming her baby and that she was a good person and they've known her since a teenager. To me a "checkered past" is ont that has problems with the law and none of that came out.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Family photos.

Not sure if this was posted already

http://www.kmbc.com/r-slideshow/29423242/detail.html

I'm on my iPad, and I get error messages for this link (and others) that I need flash player to view the slideshow or video. Does anyone know of a workaround?

 

[momtective]

I'm not understanding. What is this picture telling you about the teen?

TIA

Well, while everyone else is casually standing around talking to LE, this person sits on the porch with his head in his hands. I don't know that he is responsible for Lisa's disappearance, I just think he looks a little concerned.
The screen cap was taken from MSM so I think it's okay to at least discuss it and I think it would be foolish to totally dismiss this kids possible involvement.

 

[belimom]

The fact that the missing flyer says she weighs 30 lbs is a bit disturbing to me. IMO, there is no way that baby girl weighs 30 pounds. JMHO of course.

I was thinking about that, too, and googled it. Then I found a flyer that says between 26-30 pounds. I think 26 lbs is a bit more realistic, even though that would be heavy still. Seems like they are guesstimating, and height can be more objective if you look at pictures and then can measure, but weight is a tricky one:

http://posterous.com/getfile/files....ANGERED_MISSING_-_Missouri.jpg.scaled1000.jpg

 

[Chris_Texas]

I'm not understanding. How does this picture speak volumes that the teen is involved?

TIA

It doesn't.

 

[JBean]

My ENORMOUS 2 year old who ranges between 75th to 97th percentile and has since birth, is 31 pounds. My 4 year old is 34 pounds, a little less than average. He is 4 today. If Lisa were 30 pounds, or really even 26, I believe that we would be looking at a much larger baby in stature.

This has bothered me since the beginning. 30 pounds AND 30 inches? Holy smokes. My 31 pound 2 year old is 37 inches tall and is big, 30/30 would be a chunk for sure.

What I find disturbing is who provided this information? mom?dad? a well intentioned volunteer? What parent does not know what their child weighs? It is critical information. Additionally, that is describing a HUGE 10 mo old-almost to the point of it being a defining characteristic.
Height would be in the 95-97th percentile and weight would be almost literally off the charts.

 

[BeanE]

I know they did take a DNA sample, but I think if they had anything the teen would still be in questioning, and not the parents.

I think the teen knows something. I noticed in the picture we have seen(link in the thread) there are other teens being questioned. I can't see them letting the teen out of their sight if the teen was truly a suspect.

Why would they still be questioning the parents, why wouldn't they be on the teen like white on rice trying to find out where the baby is?

How do you know how old the blurred people in that pic are? That they are teens?

How do you know LE is questioning them, rather than just chatting with them? They are, after all, just outside. Hard for me to imagine LE questioning people in a group and outside at that.

 

[4BB]

Total brainstorming and hypothetical. Just spouting out things as they ramble through my mind. I am not accusing Lisa's mom of anything, but sometimes one idea (no matter how off the wall) can trigger an "ahaa!" moment with someone else.

What if.. you and a "boyfriend" were in your back bedroom at night. Maybe you were chatting on your bed after your children went to sleep. You were almost asleep when he says "hey, Im going to go on home now." Im sure you'd say "alright, well can you cut off the lights and lock the door when you leave?" You'd roll over and go right back to sleep. Your son wakes up and comes into your bed later in the night. You still have no idea of whats happened in the rest of your house.

Husband comes home later and says, lights are on..doors unlocked..phones are gone..and baby is gone.

WWYD?

Talk to your boyfriend and say "should I mention you were here? Did you have anything to do with the baby being gone? Did you cut the lights off when you left?"

If he says there's no need to mention then you wouldnt.

If they asked you on a lie detector test if anyone else was in your home, you could possibly "fail miserably". That doesnt mean you failed the questions regarding if you harmed your infant daughter. That would mean you are lieing about other questions.

Could it be that someone took the baby to hurt the dad? Could that person have a crush on mom?
Maybe Debbi doesnt want to mention it for fear of losing even more than Lisa.

If you woke up to check on your daughter in the middle of the night and she was missing, along with all of your phones, where would you go to call police? (I would go to my neighbors)

*I understand this is a little crazy sounding, but it would explain alot of unanswered questions and behaviors to me. She seems like a genuine person and loves her daughter but this stuck in my head.

One the other side of the coin, I would think that if she (Debbi) had hurt Lisa, she would want time to be on her side. She would keep everything in place with the lights off, etc. Nothing would be out of place when Dad came home. Im sure she would do a better job of covering up and setting up an abduction theory, perhaps through a window. She would wait until it was her normal time to wake (probably 7-8am) and then freak out when Lisa wasn't in her crib. It would give her a few more hours of crucial time. The one advantage criminals have is time.

 

[BeanE]

Something on the scale of the Great Wall of China should cover it. :fence:

:floorlaugh:

 

[Gardenlady]

It doesn't.

To you.

Also, I don't think anyone said it speaks volumes to the teen being involved. To me, it shows something heavy is happening in that discussion, and the person by themselves seems fairly upset by it.

 

[NancyA]

Sorry BeanE I missed this, thread moving fast again.

I think the teen is involved based on other factors listed before (fits details we know, DNA sample taken, etc) but the picture says a lot to me based on the posture of the people in it. They appear pretty confrontational in the group on the left, or at least heated or quite serious. The person alone on the step seems overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

So it's not that the pic is evidence of involvement, just says a lot going on, and something serious going on there, to me.

It could just as easily be fear of being falsely suspected or upset and worry about the missing child as consciousness of guilt if he had indeed just been interviewed and DNA swabbed by LE. I don't know many teens that kind of scrutiny wouldn't upset.

 

[JBean]

I was thinking about that, too, and googled it. Then I found a flyer that says between 26-30 pounds. I think 26 lbs is a bit more realistic, even though that would be heavy still. Seems like they are guesstimating, and height can be more objective if you look at pictures and then can measure, but weight is a tricky one:

http://posterous.com/getfile/files....ANGERED_MISSING_-_Missouri.jpg.scaled1000.jpg

This is helpful- I have seen other that just say 30.
But-26 pounds is well over the 100th percentile. This child should be described as unusually large for identification purposes. KWIM?

 

[Kimster]

Well, while everyone else is casually standing around talking to LE, this person sits on the porch with his head in his hands. I don't know that he is responsible for Lisa's disappearance, I just think he looks a little concerned.
The screen cap was taken from MSM so I think it's okay to at least discuss it and I think it would be foolish to totally dismiss this kids possible involvement.

A post like this is as far as we're going. Sleuthing a teen or stating one thinks they abducted Lisa at this point is not allowed. This teen not only is a minor, but they haven't been named a POI at all. We didn't allow it in the Elizabeth Olten case before it was announced in the MSM even when we all KNEW a teen killed her, and we won't allow it now when it's all just speculation at this point.

Let me repeat, there is NO EVIDENCE that this teen knows a thing about Lisa's disappearance.

 

[belimom]

I think the numbers are confusing - look at the similarities (between 2'6" and 26, and then the 30 also):

2'6" = 30 inches

Then we have 30 pounds

And between 26 - 30 pounds....

Bad journalism? Guesstimates? I don't believe she is even 26 pounds, but that's JMHO. I think more like 20-22...

ETA: Here's a snippet where it says "about 26 pounds". I think somewhere along the line, it morphed into 30 pounds. MOO.

bbm

Lisa has blond hair and blue eyes, is 30 inches tall and weighs about 26 pounds.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...hting-of-lisa-irwin-in-saint-joseph--missouri