MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[Darcyline]

I give the teen the same leeway as the parents or anyone else. If that is the teen (do we even know? When I first saw the picture I thought one of the searchers sat down for a second and wiped sweat off his face ha ha) I could see him being concerned or worried even if he is innocent. I mean, neighbor girl goes missing, you were in the house earlier, the parents point you out as a possible suspect, a ton of cops descend upon your house asking for DNA samples...it would seem stranger to me if he was being flippant or wasn't worried or concerned looking at all.

I still cannot get over the weirdness of the story though. Some of the details don't really suggest typical intruder or typical parent situation. But, what does that leave us with?

 

[Tuffy]

Many are reportedly saying the mother has a "checkered past" and I don't agree with the media representation of such. Yes, she has an ex that she is not legally divorced, and he is serving in the army, and by the report it stated that her ex in-laws said they can't wrap their minds around Lisa harming her baby and that she was a good person and they've known her since a teenager. To me a "checkered past" is ont that has problems with the law and none of that came out.

I don't think of a checkered past as a reference to legal trouble only. Certainly a married woman, living with her boyfriend, and having his baby, would qualify as checkered.

I don't know if those details are relevant here, but the fact that this child is now missing, it may be. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this marital situation, but we just don't know yet.

It certainly seems hinky to me.

 

[curiositycat]

I'm on my iPad, and I get error messages for this link (and others) that I need flash player to view the slideshow or video. Does anyone know of a workaround?

Steve Jobs choose not to support flash on the IPAD because the battery would then go from 5 hrs. to 2 hrs. I know your frustration though, I was warm and cosy with my IPAD this morning, and I became frustrated and had to get up and go to my IMac so I could see the video's.

 

[BeanE]

Sorry BeanE I missed this, thread moving fast again.

I think the teen is involved based on other factors listed before (fits details we know, DNA sample taken, etc) but the picture says a lot to me based on the posture of the people in it. They appear pretty confrontational in the group on the left, or at least heated or quite serious. The person alone on the step seems overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

So it's not that the pic is evidence of involvement, just says a lot going on, and something serious going on there, to me.

Wow. I see absolutely none of that. I wouldn't be able to even guess at a single emotion a single person in that picture was feeling, even if my life depended on it.

I definitely don't see anything to indicate anything is confrontational, heated, serious, overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

Just... wow, GardenLady. I just don't see how you are getting all that out of that picture. I must be completely brain dead.

 

[alwayslooking]

My ENORMOUS 2 year old who ranges between 75th to 97th percentile and has since birth, is 31 pounds. My 4 year old is 34 pounds, a little less than average. He is 4 today. If Lisa were 30 pounds, or really even 26, I believe that we would be looking at a much larger baby in stature.

This has bothered me since the beginning. 30 pounds AND 30 inches? Holy smokes. My 31 pound 2 year old is 37 inches tall and is big, 30/30 would be a chunk for sure.

I just went and opened my oldest son's baby book, to compare size! Mind you my oldest son was 6'2 at 13 and topped out at 6'4 at 16! Thank God he stopped growing! At one year old, he was 32 inches and 28.4 lbs! That is a big baby! So I looked at my daughter's, also a big baby for a girl, she was 29 inches at 23 lbs! I hope this helps, I know my youngest grandchild is 3 and only weigh's 31 lbs!

My children did not look fat, they were solid.....as adult's they are what you would consider big people, my daughter has as body like JLO, I am really really little!

 

[Gardenlady]

It could just as easily be fear of being falsely suspected or upset and worry about the missing child as consciousness of guilt if he had indeed just been interviewed and DNA swabbed by LE. I don't know many teens that kind of scrutiny wouldn't upset.

True. I'm going to stop commenting on the pic now that I answered everyone who asked about our interpretations of it, as I just saw Grandma's post and I don't want a time out :innocent: also just to be clear, I'm not sleuthing the teen either (who, to be fair, might even be an adult teen,but I'm not sleuthing just in case anyway).

I'll just say again that it's not the pic that brings me to speculate about the teen's involvement (after all, I don't even know if the teen is in the pic).

 

[mck16]

I give the teen the same leeway as the parents or anyone else. If that is the teen (do we even know? When I first saw the picture I thought one of the searchers sat down for a second and wiped sweat off his face ha ha) I could see him being concerned or worried even if he is innocent. I mean, neighbor girl goes missing, you were in the house earlier, the parents point you out as a possible suspect, a ton of cops descend upon your house asking for DNA samples...it would seem stranger to me if he was being flippant or wasn't worried or concerned looking at all.

I still cannot get over the weirdness of the story though. Some of the details don't really suggest typical intruder or typical parent situation. But, what does that leave us with?

As far as I have heard/read the teen is the only person who they have gotten a DNA sample from. Is this a true statement? tia

 

[momtective]

A post like this is as far as we're going. Sleuthing a teen or stating one thinks they abducted Lisa at this point is not allowed. This teen not only is a minor, but they haven't been named a POI at all. We didn't allow it in the Elizabeth Olten case before it was announced in the MSM even when we all KNEW a teen killed her, and we won't allow it now when it's all just speculation at this point.

Let me repeat, there is NO EVIDENCE that this teen knows a thing about Lisa's disappearance.

Not sleuthing him at all Kimster...but we all read different things into what we see in pictures and there has been some information about him released in the media.

 

[Tuffy]

I give the teen the same leeway as the parents or anyone else. If that is the teen (do we even know? When I first saw the picture I thought one of the searchers sat down for a second and wiped sweat off his face ha ha) I could see him being concerned or worried even if he is innocent. I mean, neighbor girl goes missing, you were in the house earlier, the parents point you out as a possible suspect, a ton of cops descend upon your house asking for DNA samples...it would seem stranger to me if he was being flippant or wasn't worried or concerned looking at all.

I still cannot get over the weirdness of the story though. Some of the details don't really suggest typical intruder or typical parent situation. But, what does that leave us with?

Yes, being fingered as the suspect in a child's disappearance would be profoundly upsetting to anyone. If the teen is innocent, that would be emotionally devastating. I don't know how well I would have been able to handle a situation like that at that age. I think I would seriously come unglued!

 

[Kimster]

I give the teen the same leeway as the parents or anyone else. If that is the teen (do we even know? When I first saw the picture I thought one of the searchers sat down for a second and wiped sweat off his face ha ha) I could see him being concerned or worried even if he is innocent. I mean, neighbor girl goes missing, you were in the house earlier, the parents point you out as a possible suspect, a ton of cops descend upon your house asking for DNA samples...it would seem stranger to me if he was being flippant or wasn't worried or concerned looking at all.

I still cannot get over the weirdness of the story though. Some of the details don't really suggest typical intruder or typical parent situation. But, what does that leave us with?

For all we know, the parents were reading crime forums and saw people writing about the teen and they are worried about THAT!

Or maybe the teen just got in trouble for smoking a cigarette behind the house.

Or maybe he let the cat out of the house AGAIN.

We just don't know and need to leave him alone at this point. There's a lot of other things to discuss. Like polygraphs?

 

[BeanE]

Well, while everyone else is casually standing around talking to LE, this person sits on the porch with his head in his hands. I don't know that he is responsible for Lisa's disappearance, I just think he looks a little concerned.
The screen cap was taken from MSM so I think it's okay to at least discuss it and I think it would be foolish to totally dismiss this kids possible involvement.

So this unidentified person is sitting on the porch - and I don't see his head is in his hands at all, but somehow you've decided this is the teen, and that he's involved in Lisa's disappearance based on this picture?

Mind blowing.

 

[Just K]

Is the person on the steps related in some way to this case?

See, that is the thing. The public does not even know if the person on the steps is a person even related to the case at all.

It is pure speculation that the teen, who was questioned and the teen whose DNA sample was taken are even the same teen.

In addition, the public doesn't even know if the teen, in question, is male or female.

Or if the teen, in question, is the same teen as has been stated to have been in the house earlier in the day.

So far, everything about "the teen" is all speculation.

 

[SuziQ]

5 - Why would the teen probably know about Jeremy's job?

6 - How do you know this is the teen's home? Was the teen's name and address released and tracked to this picture or something?

I'm so totally confused. I feel like an idiot. Please fill me in.

TIA

Our verified local ID'd the house as the one the teen lives in.

 

[Gardenlady]

Wow. I see absolutely none of that. I wouldn't be able to even guess at a single emotion a single person in that picture was feeling, even if my life depended on it.

I definitely don't see anything to indicate anything is confrontational, heated, serious, overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

Just... wow, GardenLady. I just don't see how you are getting all that out of that picture. I must be completely brain dead.

Maybe. I don't know. The beauty of opinions on things is that everyone has a different one, and some have none at all.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

There was a garage code key pad (if we are to believe the teen neighbor info) so locking oneself out most likely was not too much of a problem. Much easier to open the garage from the key pad, and enter the house from there, even if it was with a key hidden in the garage somewhere, than to damage a screen and shove a child through.

The dog was in a fenced area of the back yard, the window screen in question was on the front of the house, and the description of him was a SMALL black lab mix as per posted info.

I have missed a LOT of info here as I am not a "full time" reader, but these small bits I did read about a few times. Hope that helps.

jmo

Garage is far from the home. Not attached. It is in the backyard and attached to garage is fence with dog.

 

[In da Middle]

But why would the teen do this? :waitasec:

Why would ANYBODY do this???

 

[Ronso]

That was because he was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "people cheating on their husbands..."

Posters here assumed that meant women.

I don't know too many men out there who are cheating on their husbands....

 

[mck16]

See, that is the thing. The public does not even know if the person on the steps is a person even related to the case at all.

It is pure speculation that the teen, who was questioned and the teen whose DNA sample was taken are even the same teen.

In addition, the public doesn't even know if the teen, in question, is male or female.

Or if the teen, in question, is the same teen as has been stated to have been in the house earlier in the day.

So far, everything about "the teen" is all speculation.

All your points are accurate and as far as I am concerned the same holds true for the parents. Everything in this case is pure speculation and opinion. jmo

 

[Wendy101]

Where does it say that? ja

I have absolutley no clue if she was close with the boy next door - I was replying to a post that was suggesting that they were...

 

[BeanE]

A post like this is as far as we're going. Sleuthing a teen or stating one thinks they abducted Lisa at this point is not allowed. This teen not only is a minor, but they haven't been named a POI at all. We didn't allow it in the Elizabeth Olten case before it was announced in the MSM even when we all KNEW a teen killed her, and we won't allow it now when it's all just speculation at this point.

Let me repeat, there is NO EVIDENCE that this teen knows a thing about Lisa's disappearance.

So the person in the pic is the teen that had the DNA taken? How do we know that?

TIA