MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[mck16]

I do not believe if you take an infant on the plane that you have to show ID for the infant? Does anybody know this? I have seen many families fly with infants and have been in line in front of me after getting tickets from a Kiosk and then in line in front of me through security and I honestly can say, I only see them check the parent driver license and tickets.

Children under the age of 18 do not have to have an id.

 

[BeanE]

I remember there being a video posted that showed the same group as in the photo. The threads are moving so fast I probably couldn't find it, but if it's from the same time which it looked like it was, the video didn't show that it was confontational or heated, a few of them were laughing in it and seemed relaxed.

Yep I remember the video. I remember them smiling and relaxed and laughing a bit.

The video was of an interview with Capt Steve Young, and the people were in the background and the camera swung over to them a few times.

 

[mck16]

I'd venture to say the teen has something to do with the story, since they have been reported in mainstream media as having been questioned, and having a DNA sample taken. Notably, it's the only mention of a DNA sample having been taken from ANYONE. :twocents:

Thank you. I asked that earlier to see if anyone could confirm that for me. ty

 

[EGirl]

Children under the age of 18 do not have to have an id.

My 15 year old step son had to have id last summer when he flew in.

:shrug:

 

[BeanE]

Yes according to our verified local, he is the kid...and yes, according to our verified local the kid in this video is him.
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

Ah okay. Please point me to where our verified local stated that the kid in the video and picture is the DNA kid? I missed that.

 

[Gardenlady]

Considering the adults are discussing a missing and possibly murdered child I would say yes, something heavy is being discussed. But to be clear, you would find it LESS suspicious if LE were having this heated discussion with the kid? Is that not backwards?

In any case, there is nothing unusual or suspicious about someone wanting to be alone for a while in their grief -- particularly a kid, and even more so if the adults are talking about things he prefers not to think about. Before accusing someone of behaving unusually, it is best to consider what normal behavior would be. Sitting by yourself is evidence of one thing only: that at the moment in time that this image was captured this kid either didn't feel like hanging with the adults or was asked by the adults to go away. That's it.

In this particular case there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that this kid was involved at all. Nothing to support this theory, including statistics or the few facts we know about this case. The only reason he is being mentioned here at all is that...

1. He is a teen, teens are scary
2. He is a male, men are both are scary and guilty
3. He isn't mom, and it couldn't have been her

Nothing to support it except that he is the only person involved in the case to have been mentioned as having a DNA sample taken, or even questioned (besides the parents).

I'm not really scared of teens, males, or male teens, either, seeing as how I have a house full of males, a teen male son, and lots of teen males hanging around my house pretty much every weekend with my son. :twocents:

 

[mck16]

My 15 year old step son had to have id last summer when he flew in.

:shrug:

My 12 and 8 year old grandsons just flew from Dallas to Portland Or. and they didn't. We confirmed with the airline security what they needed and id was not on the list.

 

[dovebar]

Something posted yesterday stuck in my head overnight and I woke up thinking about it. They said that Lisa was frequently seen sitting out front with the baby and would wave to neighbors.

Now if this is true, and someone reported seeing the baby one block over at 2:30 a.m. with a man going into a house, I would not be surprised if someone has been watching for an opportunity.

Given the news in another case, about Steve Powell spying on his neighbors with a telephoto camera, I would be asking, which houses on the street one block over have a clear view of this house, so that they can see when the lights get dimmer or brighter, or even when a car leaves the property? Were there any men who were regular joggers or dog walkers in the neighborhood, such that the family dogs would "know" them and not bark?

 

[Patty G]

I would assume that LE also took DNA and fingerprint samples from the parents and perhaps the siblings.

 

[MoonFlwr]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

Thank you, thank you, thank you, saba! :seeya:

Sorry about my delayed response!

 

[BeanE]

So the person in the pic is the teen that had the DNA taken? How do we know that?

TIA

How? Where? Please point me to that?

NimaKCTV5 2 hours 14 mins ago Twitter
Detectives from @kcpolice at this home in #LisaIrwin neighborhood for the second time. Updates on #KCTV5 News at 6 & 10 yfrog.com/nv3btaj--


**the above is the teen neighbor’s house.



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When this came out yesterday, our verified local In Da Middle verified that this is the teen's house.

Not following you, Shelby1. What about that tells us that the person in the pic is the DNA teen?

 

[STEADFAST]

7:30 pm by mom and brothers. That is when she was put to bed.

10:30 pm mom checked on baby Lisa before she went to bed. Closed her bedroom door following and went to bed with her six year old son, the new stray kitten while the 8 year old son of Jeremy went to bed in the other bedroom. (his and six year old's bedroom.Albeit, as stated above six year old went with mom.)

Thanks for responding

But I was asking whether we have a time when Lisa was last seen by someone outside of the family. At this point, when the mother has not been cleared and has reportedly failed a polygraph, I'm not comfortable with accepting her timeline of events.

 

[tlcya]

Thank you so much momtective and gardenlady for those links. Am watching the video of Capt. Young right now and I haven't gotten to anything regarding the teen yet but I find the fact that LE and the parents seem to be working more closely again to be reason enough for celebration. Factoring the teen completely out of the equation, to me - THIS is the story. Parents and LE moving back towards one another to work for baby Lisa's safe return!

 

[JerricaBenton]

I hate to even say this-but I have been trying to figure out why this weight issue is bothering me. It seems so basic to know your childs weight and to make sure it is accurate on a missing flyer.
Didn't we see that on the missing flyers for Caylee Anthony? I think her weight was overstated by quite a bit-am I remembering that correctly?

Could be something-could be nothing.

I have no idea what any of children weigh. They are 3, 9 and 11. Im in the UK though, so maybe its different here. I would struggle to even give an estimate of what they weigh.

 

[annalia]

Nothing to support it except that he is the only person involved in the case to have been mentioned as having a DNA sample taken, or even questioned (besides the parents).

I'm not really scared of teens, males, or male teens, either, seeing as how I have a house full of males, a teen male son, and lots of teen males hanging around my house pretty much every weekend with my son. :twocents:

Of course he was questioned, he was allegedly at the home earlier, I'd be more upset of LE didn't question him thoroughly, to be sure that he can be ruled in or out.

We don't really know if they took DNA from anyone else. Who else would they be getting DNA from, who else was reportedly at the house earlier other than family?

 

[JBean]

I have no idea what any of children weigh. They are 3, 9 and 11. Im in the UK though, so maybe its different here. I would struggle to even give an estimate of what they weigh.

Fair enough. How did you know how much medication to give them when they were months old? In my experience, here in the US, many parents track their child's development by height and weight when they are under a year. But as you point out, it does not necessarily mean everyone does. It probably is just a result of trying to get a missing poster out ASAP. Thanks JB.

 

[Gardenlady]

Thank you so much momtective and gardenlady for those links. Am watching the video of Capt. Young right now and I haven't gotten to anything regarding the teen yet but I find the fact that LE and the parents seem to be working more closely again to be reason enough for celebration. Factoring the teen completely out of the equation, to me - THIS is the story. Parents and LE moving back towards one another to work for baby Lisa's safe return!

Huge development, them being back in communication/cooperation. I really think it was a misunderstanding due to stress on the part of the parents, as well as LE, and possibly LE using a sort of divide and conquer interrogation strategy that backfired.

Hope to hear they are talking more today, and that some leads are generated!

 

[Shelby1]

Ah okay. Please point me to where our verified local stated that the kid in the video and picture is the DNA kid? I missed that.

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[Shelby1]

Not following you, Shelby1. What about that tells us that the person in the pic is the DNA teen?

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[Tuffy]

My 15 year old step son had to have id last summer when he flew in.

:shrug:

My kids have flown a lot, a different ages. Depending on the airport, and the TSA agents checking, the rules seemed to change constantly. Sometimes they asked questions, sometimes they waved us through "no questions asked."