MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[vlpate]

Shelby1, I believe it was on Judge Jeanine interview that dad stated he had used his work phone to call 911, I did not see the interview but folks posted what was being said. IIRC, it said he used his work phone and it was debated as to where that was located. I suggested in his vehicle. based on the fact that we were debating the phone's location, I don't think we know if it was in his pocket, outside in his vehicle or exactly where the phone was at.

If anyone is here that watched the interview could clear this up, please holla.

I heard "pocket", but they were vague, or the story was edited, at that point. The time of the 911 call would probably help verify how long it took him to find it.

 

[tlcya]

All of my screen windows can be pulled out from the inside of the house. I have to do this every summer to put in window air conditioners. There is a tab at the bottom of the screens.

Yep, my windows are the same. I imagine some much older windows work differently but most replacement windows are set up this way.

 

[Shelby1]

Ok, I actually have a copy of a tweet regarding the work cell phone, but I'd sure like a video or a transcript of the show part that says that.

 

[wfgodot]

This fence sitting is getting a little uncomfortable. I wish I could fall onto one side or the other.
But most of all.....My wish is that Baby Lisa is brought home safe and sound. That is the goal after all.

Whilst also sitting, I'm tilting at a 60/40, "somebody in the house knows," angle; if I topple to either side, somebody help me back up!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Been thinking about this last night and trying to put it all down in writing this morning. It is just MY OWN OPINION of what I think might have happened based on the facts we know and my own maternal instinct and how I would react (well except that I wouldn't try to make it look like my baby were kidnapped!). It also pulls together a lot of snips of theories people have posted related to if the mom is involved.

I think Mom gave her something for her cold and based the dose off of 30 pounds because she really has no concept of how much she weighed. OR that she just made a mistake and confused teaspoon and Tablespoon or the decimal point of ml. to give her. At that age you would usually use a medicine syringe to give a baby their meds. (Or it was put in her bottle.) I know mine always ended up dribbling some on their shirt, and sometimes on the crib sheet if I put them down immediately after so I think there should be evidence of the meds being given, unless it was gotten rid of.

I think Mom checked on her sometime later-- maybe 10:30, maybe later and realized that she was dead. I think she panicked big time...

Respectfully edited for space.

Thank you for your thoughtful, poignant post, and welcome to Websleuths. While some of the parents' mannerisms during interviews are troublesome to me, I won't jump to the conclusion that either of them deliberately hurt precious little Lisa. I'm leaning towards an unfortunate accident that resulted in the child's death, and the parents are reluctant to admit what happened or who was responsible. If DB gave an accidental overdose of cold medication to Lisa, she will carry the guilt for this unfortunate incident for many years. Let's keep this family in our thoughts and prayers.

 

[mentalsolstice]

If it is true that the mom is still married, that hardly makes sense to start pointing fingers for that reason, IMO...

I can think of several reasons for DB to still be married, one of which is health insurance. Her STBE may have better coverage than JI can currently provide as an electrician. I've had several friends who have not pursued an all out divorce for this very reason. And I'd hardly call them women with checkered backgrounds, as DB has been in some places. If the STBE is willing and able to keep her on as a dependent, where's the problem? All is MOO.

 

[tlcya]

This fence sitting is getting a little uncomfortable. I wish I could fall onto one side or the other.
But most of all.....My wish is that Baby Lisa is brought home safe and sound. That is the goal after all.

I know what you mean, over the years I have ridden so many fences here that there is a picket mark permanently embedded in my hiney.

 

[Knox]

Pic of LE trying to climb in window at link-

http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fnxlagaej

 

[wfgodot]

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger

@charminstweets we have not seen #LisaIrwin parents all day here at the house.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/#lisairwin

 

[Tuffy]

Starting at 58 seconds
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1209530440001/what-happened-to-baby-lisa/

Jeramy states that the screen was pushed into the house and that was the reason he couldn't close the window.

IMO, the screen was NOT out of the window at all only pushed in a little and perhaps bent so that the window could not come down.

I'm looking at my windows here (the ones with screens.) I'm trying to figure out how the screen would be so bent that the window wouldn't close. :waitasec:

The window would have to be open, and the screen pushed so far in that the frame would block the window from sliding down. At least that's how my windows work.

The presence of the screening itself would just move out of the way. The frame would have to be what was blocking it.

 

[epiphany]

Snipped
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...al-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-

Pirro asked "Could someone have fit through the window?"
The couple said, "Nothing make sense."
Pirro asked, "Could someone?" "If they hadn't removed the screen why would you remove it and put it back? That doesn't make sense?"
"Based on the condition could someone fit through it?"
The couple said "No."

 

[tlcya]

I can think of several reasons for DB to still be married, one of which is health insurance. Her STBE may have better coverage than JI can currently provide as an electrician. I've had several friends who have not pursued an all out divorce for this very reason. And I'd hardly call them women with checkered backgrounds, as DB has been in some places. If the STBE is willing and able to keep her on as a dependent, where's the problem? All is MOO.

Thank you mentalsolstice. The interview recently linked upthread of the family of Debbie's ex said the reasons the divorce had not been pursued as yet were financial. The family members also said they like Debbie and found it very hard to imagine that she has anything to do with this situation. Sounds like the family is still on good terms with mom to my ear.

 

[BeanE]

kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
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@charminstweets we have not seen #LisaIrwin parents all day here at the house.
1 minute ago

 

[vlpate]

That gives me a very unsettling feeling.

Unbelievable to me that LE hasn't contacted them. Picturing Jeremy as "ruthless" and it is giving me cold chills.

Still waters run deep.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Pic of LE trying to climb in window at link-

http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fnxlagaej

For me, as in IMHO, this changes the focus away from the Mom. Jus sayin'

 

[IAM]

I hope LE is looking into a possible affair of either party. If Jeremy thought DB was having an affair and he wanted his baby, this could be a possible motive to stash her somewhere. He would have a very hard time getting her legally since he isn't even married to DB and she is in fact still married to another man.

 

[Tuffy]

Pic of LE trying to climb in window at link-

http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fnxlagaej

Ok, I was wrong. You would have to climb in the window!

 

[chieftess]

Pic of LE trying to climb in window at link-

http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyfrog.com%2Fnxlagaej

Thanks!
Does it look like the person trying to get through the window is being helped? Or standing on something? My old eyes just can't make out the details

 

[SyraKelly]

I still think someone would hear someone climbing in a window..that is a small house!!
I myself would not hear anyone,for I am deaf..but I have not heard anything about the mother's hearing so I am assuming she has good hearing..

 

[curiousc]

Snipped
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...al-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-

Pirro asked "Could someone have fit through the window?"
The couple said, "Nothing make sense."
Pirro asked, "Could someone?" "If they hadn't removed the screen why would you remove it and put it back? That doesn't make sense?"
"Based on the condition could someone fit through it?"
The couple said "No."

We have dad working a night shift for the first time.
We have many lights on in the house, 3 cell phones missing, a sweet baby girl missing, and we have that the intruder put the screen back on?

Honestly?