MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[LotsaLatte]

Front of home-computer room window
Officers attempting to enter window
backyard of home

Thank you for posting this.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Pretty sure it is considered fraud to continue to claim someone as a dependent / eligible for medical insurance if they do not live with you (exception being a minor child who is the legal custody of the other parent).

Also - IIRC the family said that they 'couldn't wrap their heads around' mom being involved - NOT that they found it hard to imagine she was involved. To me their statement was more like "I need to reallllly think about this and consider all the angles". JMO

I'm in the process of getting a divorce and The Guy and I live separately. I contacted my insurance company about this specifically and no one told me this.

 

[DairyGirl]

I hope LE is looking into a possible affair of either party. If Jeremy thought DB was having an affair and he wanted his baby, this could be a possible motive to stash her somewhere. He would have a very hard time getting her legally since he isn't even married to DB and she is in fact still married to another man.

And, according the the discussion yesterday, may not even be named as the legal father.
Here in Oregon, as in other states apparently, the husband is presumed to be the father.

 

[cluciano63]

What could LE have heard in the interview televised last night that might cause this new action today? Any ideas?

 

[tlcya]

But we saw them all over the back yard wearing hazmat suits??

yeah, this is confusing me as well. They were all over that backyard several of the days, including the day that LE announced parents had stopped cooperating so I don't get the statement by Steve Young recently that LE had not gotten to search the backyard.

Maybe he meant they had not gotten to search the backyard in regards to a specific lead they are following?

 

[mentalsolstice]

Pretty sure it is considered fraud to continue to claim someone as a dependent / eligible for medical insurance if they do not live with you (exception being a minor child who is the legal custody of the other parent).

Also - IIRC the family said that they 'couldn't wrap their heads around' mom being involved - NOT that they found it hard to imagine she was involved. To me their statement was more like "I need to reallllly think about this and consider all the angles". JMO

I think that depends on the employer and the insurance company. Some will allow continued coverage and/or COBRA during the separation period. I've had friends do this, and I can assure you their arrangements were above-table.

ETA: It also depends on separation agreements and how such agreements are viewed in each state.

 

[norest4thewicked]

What could LE have heard in the interview televised last night that might cause this new action today? Any ideas?

I don't think that if they heard something in the interview last night that they would wait until noon today to start looking. I know it takes some time to get the team all on one page, but not that long...

 

[EllaMae]

I think the custody issue with JI and him being "ruthless" about it could be interesting to explore. This may be the motive to stage a kidnapping after the accidental death - to avoid losing his son to the mother of the child because of their negligence with Lisa. MOO.

The question remains....why cover up an accidental death? Children unfortunately have accidents and die sometimes, and the parents are seldom jailed. It's obvious that Lisa was well cared for, so chronic abuse is not a factor.

It's the ones who claim that an accident caused injuries to a child when it's obvious abuse that get into trouble.

 

[Patty G]

Ok, I actually have a copy of a tweet regarding the work cell phone, but I'd sure like a video or a transcript of the show part that says that.

I am watching Judge Jeanne's show and writing what is being stated by the parents.

Jeramy hadn't taken his phone with him so his phone and her phone were on the kitchen counter. The third phone was a broken phone.

She was telling Jeramy to call 911, call 911 and they were panicking. She said were are the phones? Jeramy had his work phone on him however, he didn't know that he had his work phone on him until he put his hand in his pocket.

I did not upload the show and I can't find a transcript to the show. Just my mini transcript from watching the show.

 

[saba]

And, according the the discussion yesterday, may not even be named as the legal father.
Here in Oregon, as in other states apparently, the husband is presumed to be the father.

Thank you! After last night's discussion, I'm not sure that Jeremy even has a legal right to approve medical care for Lisa.

 

[Gardenlady]

Wow, why is the KMBC live blog asleep at the wheel on this new activity?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

yeah, this is confusing me as well. They were all over that backyard several of the days, including the day that LE announced parents had stopped cooperating so I don't get the statement by Steve Young recently that LE had not gotten to search the backyard.

Maybe he meant they had not gotten to search the backyard in regards to a specific lead they are following?

But didn't someone say that this was so that they wouldn't confuse the dogs? (Not that I believe this or really understand it.)

 

[BeanE]

What could LE have heard in the interview televised last night that might cause this new action today? Any ideas?

Maybe it was something the parents said in their sit-down interview with LE yesterday evening that prompted this? Why are you thinking it was something on the Pirro show?

 

[Wishbone]

I wouldn't be able to do such a thing, either, but it does happen. If a parent feels responsible for having caused the death of a youngster, even if it was an accident, they are probably torn between an admission of guilt that might be suspect and trying to cover up the accidental death.

We saw this recently in the possible drowning death of Caylee Anthony. Maybe the child's death really was an accident: Casey panicked and decided to toss the child's body in a swamp rather than admit to negligence in her drowning. jmo

I personally find it impossible to have any kind of regard for a person capable of that and IMO they would be dispicable and completely uncaring. It's just unimaginable to do that to someone you love.

 

[SarahW]

I'm in the process of getting a divorce and The Guy and I live separately. I contacted my insurance company about this specifically and no one told me this.

Nope. A spouse is a spouse until they are no longer a spouse. It is possible to remove a spouse from your own insurance plan - and it's often done as part of a quadro or by mutual agreement or unilateral action.

The spouse remains eligible for coverage at the selection of the insured until the union is legally dissolved.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I am curiouse if the outside light was on (Jeremy said all the lights were on) It would not make sense for the outside light to be off and the inside lights to be on, would it? Now, that would be a pretty brazen perp to enter a brightly lit house and yard at the FRONT of the house where neighbors or anyone driving by could see them so well. Just too ODD to comprehend.

BBM I never turn the outside light on, we are in the middle of nowhere and if I do turn the outside light on it startles the deer and then the dogs run after the deer.

As for inside lights, when I got up at 4:30 to let the dogs out the light over the stove/oven area was on. I just chalked it up to I forgot it or hubby got up in the night.

 

[Knox]

Is the room with the two double windows a bedroom also (to the left of the one LE is trying to climb in)?

 

[jjenny]

I personally find it impossible to have any kind of regard for a person capable of that and IMO they would be dispicable and completely uncaring. It's just unimaginable to do that to someone you love.

Neither do I. And I certainly don't buy that as a scenario of what happened to little Caylee.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Nope. A spouse is a spouse until they are no longer a spouse. It is possible to remove a spouse from your own insurance plan - and it's often done as part of a quadro or by mutual agreement or unilateral action.

The spouse remains eligible for coverage at the selection of the insured until the union is legally dissolved.

Thanks for clarifying. I was a little freaked out.

My divorce isn't especially amicable, but I kept The Guy on my plan because I know that my coverage is great and I didn't want to cause him extra difficulty as he tries to work his way thru his masters. I would like to claim that it's because I'm such a nice person, but really it's because I'm ambivalent about the separation and divorce. It seems like Lisa's mom and biodad were working things out so that there wasn't a lot of hardship on either party.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Thank you! After last night's discussion, I'm not sure that Jeremy even has a legal right to approve medical care for Lisa.

HUH??? When was something about this confirmed? I don't remember anything about this except for the lengthy discussion about what states decide regarding newborns whose father was in question.