MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[hannahsnana]

Sorry, trying to keep up, but have some questions about the dumpster fire. What time did this occur? Did police retrieve any items from this dumpster, or was everything totally incinerated? Also, do we have any information on the phone call between the parents, such as who called whom, length of call, etc? TIA.

 

[vlpate]

The GMA piece mentions a plumber being in the home 2 weeks ago.

Really? I didn't hear that. Her husband is an electrician and would probably know a plumber - maybe even someone who worked on the Starbucks project. Surely they've checked this out too.

 

[Cher352]

Think you meant to put a link? TIA (Still early, I know)

Sorry! Yes, way too early!

Here is a link that will take to a list of NBC videos, you will have to click on the video title.

Look on the right side towards the bottom for the one that is titled
Neighbor: My Husband May Have Seen Suspect

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/Lisa-Irwin-AMBER-Alert#ixzz1aDSZd0pi

 

[SilkySifaka]

Thank you for the link SuziQ! I don't know....seems like something benign or they'd have already investigated him and would have his name out there. With the FBI and 300 investigators, how hard could it be.

I wonder if it wasn't just some poor shmuck who worked on one house and went back home ... maybe not FROM the neighborhood?

My first reaction to LE's "first time we handled something like this" comment was "we can tell" :maddening:

Doesn't matter if its benign or not, if they can't find him they need to get his pic out so they can discover if it is. Assuming is what we can do, not LE.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This alleged handyman and the alleged man carrying a baby wearing a diaper at midnight sure makes me take pause. I have just had a gut feeling that whoever took Lisa saw her playing in the yard on a regular basis and coveted her. In da Middle stated that the family was visible with the kids playing in the yard alot and there is also that adorable pic of Lisa standing in the grass playing on her lil kitchen set.

I may be wrong, as I am alot of times, but I just can't believe the parents are involved. Not yet anyway.

MOO

wm

 

[twall]

Here's what bothers me about the cell phones... the intruder would have had to make a special trip into the kitchen to grab the phones. How would he/she know the phones were there? Did the intruder get the phones first, then the baby, or the baby, then the phones?

From what I saw of the floor plan if intruder entered through front window they would have had to pass through the kitchen to get to Lisa's br. They would have walked right by them, stop and pick them up, put in pockets, go in baby's room, pick up baby, walk out front door. JMO

 

[vlpate]

The GMA piece mentions a plumber being in the home 2 weeks ago.

"The plumber who worked there two weeks ago, if that's true."

Sort of ambiguous. This guy wasn't on GMA this morning...must be an older clip that comes on after the current one.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I think Dr Glass is great. What was your opinion. Do you agree with Dr.Glass?

No. Not at all. I do not believe the mom is odd or acting strangely in any way.

 

[vlpate]

This alleged handyman and the alleged man carrying a baby wearing a diaper at midnight sure makes me take pause. I have just had a gut feeling that whoever took Lisa saw her playing in the yard on a regular basis and coveted her. In da Middle stated that the family was visible with the kids playing in the yard alot and there is also that adorable pic of Lisa standing in the grass playing on her lil kitchen set.

I may be wrong, as I am alot of times, but I just can't believe the parents are involved. Not yet anyway.

MOO

wm

Young said they cleared up the lead for the man carrying the baby in the middle of the night and there was nothing to it. This was on Judge Jeanine and the segment has yet to be published on the Internet.

 

[Cher352]

My first reaction to LE's "first time we handled something like this" comment was "we can tell" :maddening:

Doesn't matter if its benign or not, if they can't find him they need to get his pic out so they can discover if it is. Assuming is what we can do, not LE.

I am surprised to hear from the Today video that LE did not canvas the neighborhood about him until Sunday unless it has to do with a tip they just received.

Ref:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44842241#44842241

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

From what I saw of the floor plan if intruder entered through front window they would have had to pass through the kitchen to get to Lisa's br. They would have walked right by them, stop and pick them up, put in pockets, go in baby's room, pick up baby, walk out front door. JMO

Gut says two people. Went to window and while at window the other checked the door and whispered..."Hey door is unlocked!" and thus efforts stopped for the window and they went in through door and exited through door.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Anything is possible, but I'm just not feeling the handyman angle. No reason why, so don't ask me for any logic behind it. LOL

Me either.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I don't get it either..statistically she is not alive which makes searching the waterways early even more important to get the body for evidentiary purposes.

I believe she is alive and she is with someone who wanted a baby. Keep the hope...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Update on Lisa Irwin coming up this hour on Today (NBC).

ETA: Well, that was quick! Maybe it was just a headline at the top of the hour, but there wasn't much of an update. Mentioned the handy man, that the parents met with investigators over the weekend but haven't given interviews, and that DB is still married to another man because they couldn't afford a divorce.

 

[vlpate]

My first reaction to LE's "first time we handled something like this" comment was "we can tell" :maddening:

Doesn't matter if its benign or not, if they can't find him they need to get his pic out so they can discover if it is. Assuming is what we can do, not LE.

I appreciate that they aren't throwing pictures of everyone mentioned to LE and the FBI out there for public scrutiny. Many lives have been completely destroyed by over-zealous detectives and parents who want to throw any and everyone under the bus, which I get, but there needs to be more to go on.

Remember Richard Ricci who ended up dead in prison? The Ramsey case had so much collateral damage I lost count in the first year.

Who said this is the first time they've handled something like this....and something like what?

IMO, LE is doing a good job.

 

[SilkySifaka]

This alleged handyman and the alleged man carrying a baby wearing a diaper at midnight sure makes me take pause. I have just had a gut feeling that whoever took Lisa saw her playing in the yard on a regular basis and coveted her. In da Middle stated that the family was visible with the kids playing in the yard alot and there is also that adorable pic of Lisa standing in the grass playing on her lil kitchen set.

I may be wrong, as I am alot of times, but I just can't believe the parents are involved. Not yet anyway.

MOO

wm

I remember in the Van Damm case, how the parents were crucified until they discovered Westerfield. And how innocuous he seemed, totally the normal family man.

Heck in most of the cases the parents were crucified publicly until someone else was arrested.

These parents seem to fit the rare cases, even the question "too coincidental that it happens on the dads first night at work" imo works for the parents.

It seems to me far more unlikely that the mom chose to snap and kill what seems to be a beloved child on the first night dad isn't there than it is a neighbor, an outsider who had an idea of the routine OR just lucked in re dad.

imo

 

[Rallihanna]

This just smells rotten to me... I feel like LE has a good handle on what's going on and I honestly don't trust a lot of the other leaks.

 

[natsound]

BBM.

And a sidenote, hell, seems to me that the more ludicrous the story the more likely the most likely suspects are to get away with it if the 3 cases aforementioned are anything to go by. JMO.

snipped... ITA here! :banghead: If this case involved a story about a :abduction: then they'd probably get a jury to believe it when all is said and done!

 

[twall]

The house being released so soon and not being throughly searched before the release bothers me.
I knew they went back in the home Saturday evening. Saw it on a local news report. I just watched a report I had not yet seen from Sunday's Today show where they covered the search. It showed CS techs analyzing the front door, moving things around and searching in the room with the tampered window, on the roof and more metal detecting. Then the window entry experiment yesterday. Why didn't they hold the home longer and as new developments occur they can go back to the home without it being contaminated by news media and other people going in and out? They held the home less than 48 hrs. I am thinking LE were not even running parallel investigations, ie, intruder did it/parents did it. It seems to me they may have ruled out family then started looking into the intruder theory. Not good and if that is the case I hope it doesn't come back to bite them you know where.

JMO

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I keep asking myself why they would have security system for the garage and not for the house? :waitasec: Nevertheless, I'm hoping the question why this teen had access codes to any security even if it was just the garage should be answered. Did he work for the Irwins? Did they owe him money? Would that be a motive to snatch a 10 month old baby? Why a baby when there could be other things he could have taken?

I agree with those who think if baby Lisa was abducted, the perp knew her/his way around the house and where all the light switches are and more.

Our next door neighbor has the code to our home. Once we went on our weekend camping trip and he (next door neighbor) also was going to be out of town the same weekend .We gave our code to one of our son's friends who is a teenager to give fresh water to the cat each morning. I do not believe the teen has anything to do with this case. I think it may end up being some kind of break that neither mom or dad thought about and it will come from something said or done online...innocently. Someone that was monitoring their activities and wanted a baby. Even innocent things like "G'nite all...talk tomorrow, time for bed have an early day tomorrow" is a sign. Back pages of conversation such as "yay! Hubby got a job! Finally! Bummer it will be a night shift...but hey, in this economy...we don't care!".....etc. Things like that. I see just far too much being divulged online and I get especially concerned when I see parents talk about their children and post photos, etc.