MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[mamamia54]

I was able to locate this one of the floor plans as well -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

 

[SuziQ]

I don't think LE would fib about that...

They do all the time. It's not legally smart for LE to throw out the word suspect or POI. More and more you rarely hear LE admit they have one until there is an arrest.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I will wait on this info. what if he is not from the neighborhood, and because he can't be reached, he can't be located.

In the Today video I thought they walked up to a door of a house in the parent's neighborhood and said it was the handyman's house who hasn't been since before Lisa disappeared. If so, that is very significant and disturbing.

 

[Rallihanna]

I'm still stuck on the fact that the parents stopped cooperating for a time. I understand LE was making them feel like suspects, but I would like to think that LE would have reinforced that they weren't rather than have the parents walk away. So... that leads me stuck on why the parents stopped.

 

[natsound]

hwow:

As I posted once before.....there were 17 reports of UFO's in this area of Kansas City over the same time period that is in question in this case......just sayin'

:crazy:

Well then we need to start shifting our energy in this direction. Where is the urgency?? :crazy:

OK, OK, enough fun from me for now. Not trying to make light of the situation... I know it's very serious, and I can't look into baby Lisa's eyes without my heart breaking. It's so hard, because we know that children trust adults to do right by them. Yesterday I took my 3 year old to the fair. As the ride guy got my son off the ride, my son held his hand out, thinking the guy was going to hold his hand and lead him back to me. If only all adults were to be trusted. :sigh:

 

[ClaireNC]

Does anybody know if the parents have a single room air conditioner in their bedroom? If the air conditioner was on, it would help explain why the mother didn't hear anything.

 

[TobyWong*]

Does anyone recall when the screams where heard? I can't even recall how close they were but I do remember screams heard somewhere close and those people did infact call 911 but nothing further. tia.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm still stuck on the fact that the parents stopped cooperating for a time. I understand LE was making them feel like suspects, but I would like to think that LE would have reinforced that they weren't rather than have the parents walk away. So... that leads me stuck on why the parents stopped.

According to the parents, they never stopped.

 

[~n/t~]

Our next door neighbor has the code to our home. Once we went on our weekend camping trip and he (next door neighbor) also was going to be out of town the same weekend .We gave our code to one of our son's friends who is a teenager to give fresh water to the cat each morning. I do not believe the teen has anything to do with this case. I think it may end up being some kind of break that neither mom or dad thought about and it will come from something said or done online...innocently. Someone that was monitoring their activities and wanted a baby. Even innocent things like "G'nite all...talk tomorrow, time for bed have an early day tomorrow" is a sign. Back pages of conversation such as "yay! Hubby got a job! Finally! Bummer it will be a night shift...but hey, in this economy...we don't care!".....etc. Things like that. I see just far too much being divulged online and I get especially concerned when I see parents talk about their children and post photos, etc.

Oh I agree. Social media like FB can be a perfect target for those wanting to do harm. The neighour or acquaintance who you added as a "friend" may turn out to be someone who has other intentions. Also, those who don't use the privacy settings are looking for trouble. Not saying that's the case here but people should be extra vigilant to what they post online. I've seen posts from some of my own "friends" that make me cringe.

 

[vlpate]

BBM, FWIW, Yes LE wrongly fingered Richard Ricci for Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping. But IMO, he was rightly arrested for robberies uncovered during the investigation. He was a repeat offender who previously went to prison for attempted murder of a cop. He was facing a three strikes out situation.

Elizabeth Smart kidnapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(snip)
Ultimately, the Salt Lake City police signaled that their prime person of interest was Richard Ricci, being held in custody for unrelated reasons. Ricci, a handyman hired by the Smarts, was on parole for a 1983 attempted murder of police officer Mike Hill. He was charged with felony burglaries of homes in the area similar in circumstances to the break-in at the Smarts. Ricci later died in jail from a Cerebral hemorrhage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia a few weeks after he refused to provide a confession to Utah corrections officers.[23] With his death, it seemed that all leads were exhausted. Upon discovery of the actual kidnappers, Ricci's widow issued a statement expressing relief at Smart's safe return and her husband's innocence.

The widow sued.

 

[natsound]

Does anyone recall when the screams where heard? I can't even recall how close they were but I do remember screams heard somewhere close and those people did infact call 911 but nothing further. tia.

This is the first I've heard of this.

 

[SuziQ]

Does anyone recall when the screams where heard? I can't even recall how close they were but I do remember screams heard somewhere close and those people did infact call 911 but nothing further. tia.

I need to go check the scanner thread to see if the wonderful scanner peeps have done a rewind for that night.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Peter Alexander reported from outside the family home this am during the 3rd hour of Today. He said FBI showed pics of this handyman to neighbors and told them he has a criminal history.

OT I came home from the grocery store one day (years ago when my kids were small) and a HVAC man was in my house. He came down the stairs holding a HVAC filter and scared me to Jupiter and back. He claimed he serviced all the units there and left. I was a new resident so I called my landlord and the HOA president and this guy had no such contract, nor did he have keys to all the units. I still don't know how he gained entrance. The incident was reported to LE. But still....EEK and ICK!!!

wm

 

[andalso]

Does anybody know if the parents have a single room air conditioner in their bedroom? If the air conditioner was on, it would help explain why the mother didn't hear anything.

The neighbor who saw the baby at midnight, his wife said it was a chilly night so he thought it was unusual to see a baby only in a diaper. So, IMO, would have been no need for the AC to be on.

 

[twall]

Gut says two people. Went to window and while at window the other checked the door and whispered..."Hey door is unlocked!" and thus efforts stopped for the window and they went in through door and exited through door.

I think the front door was locked. Mom said she does not know if she locked it or not.

JMO

 

[SuziQ]

The widow sued.

Yeah and? LE settled the case as well. LE did wrongly name him the only suspect. No dispute on that. But IMO, RR was exactly where he should have been. Back in prison.

 

[TobyWong*]

Former FBI agent (and others) claim it is very unusual for LE to make public statement that "patents are uncooperative." I agree with those who feel like parents are "acting" waffling, giving obtuse answers, and not very visible to media. This makes ask:

Could LE have known early on that parents are not involved and are setting up with the parents to pretend conflict and estrangement in order to pursue a corse of action that might bring to light or instill false confidence in the real abductor? That feels more plausible to me than another Susan Smith scenario.

IMO if this were the case then the parents would not have gone on air to say they were co-operating. Looks like they are not on the same page, which of course is what it is, to me. And that is, the parents had nothing further to add that would help LE finding their daughter and that LE thought they could add alot more. ??

 

[andalso]

If a kidnapping, here's a bizarre thought, was the dog given something to keep him quiet (i.e. a bone or piece of meat?) and if so, would they be able to test the dogs stool to see if there was anything unusual there? Seems very far fetched, but perhaps some info could be gained from this? Perhaps not, I really have no clue.

 

[angeleleven]

Fox news just said 'things are not adding up for the police'. They will go back to focusing on the parents.

 

[alwayslooking]

Does anybody know if the parents have a single room air conditioner in their bedroom? If the air conditioner was on, it would help explain why the mother didn't hear anything.

Good thought, what about a TV on, I sleep very light but with a tv...you turn it off, I will jump right out of bed!