MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[CathyinTexas]

No. Not at all. I do not believe the mom is odd or acting strangely in any way.

The Mom's tears are genuine, even according to Dr. Glass. She is exhibiting emotions and behaviors that fit with a mother whose child has been kidnapped, imo. To know that she is the prime suspect of LE, and feel helpless in this nightmare, may be why she is not always consistent in her interviews. It is the Dad who seems odd to me. There are pictures and videos that convey a distrust for his wife, and I think his lack of emotion is odd. But I don't think he harmed his daughter.

 

[mamamia54]

After looking at the floor plan of the house, I really can't quite understand where the need for so much light would come into play. Had someone come thru the computer room window and turned a light on, the light would have shown down the hallway to the kitchen at least partway. Whoever did this had to know that by turning on certain lights that no one would be disturbed by them. Knowing that all the doors would be closed to the individual rooms would indicate prior knowledge of not only the home but those who lived there and their routines.

 

[Cher352]

I was able to locate this one of the floor plans as well -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

Not that sure that blueprint is all that accurate when you compare to the KMBC video showing a walk through of the house:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29427206/detail.html

In the video the kitchen is much narrower and basically a walk through to get to the computer room. Plus the county records list the house as 4 Bedroom, 2.1 Bathrooms and a Rec Room(lower level maybe?).

 

[TxLady2]

Thank you for the link SuziQ! I don't know....seems like something benign or they'd have already investigated him and would have his name out there. With the FBI and 300 investigators, how hard could it be.

I wonder if it wasn't just some poor shmuck who worked on one house and went back home ... maybe not FROM the neighborhood?

Could be they just recently heard about him, possibly from a neighbor. As for releasing his name, I don't think they do that unless they have more to go on than him just being someone they want to talk to. They're not going to put out fliers with his picture on them unless he is actually a POI. At this point, it's just someone they need to talk to. But if he has any priors, they will want that info before they question him, sort of ammunition in case he refuses to talk to them.
I would think they've already talked to most of the neighbors within several blocks, so I'm guessing this is just a guy that did some work around there and doesn't live in the neighborhood, maybe not even the same town.

 

[mmmagique]

At this point, I don't care WHO did it. I am sick of all of these innocents disappearing and never being seen or heard from again. I want them to find this baby (preferably alive) and then figure out what happened.
If the parents (or one parent) is involved, shame on them for putting everyone through this misery.
If someone else is involved, I hope it's someone who desperately wanted a baby. Wanted one so bad, they couldn't see past the need to the harm and heartbreak their actions would cause.
But right now, I just feel like I NEED answers. Case after case, we follow and speculate and pray...but too da** often, we have no closure, no answers and no rest.

So many sweet souls bring us together, but where are they?

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I was watching The Today Show about 20 minutes ago or so, and they were talking about a handyman who is reportedly being looked at..anyone know anything else about this?

 

[wfgodot]

Morning all.

Handyman, eh?

 

[denalves]

What an incredibly sad experience. How old were you when all of this happened? God bless...

I was almost 16.

 

[TobyWong*]

This is the first I've heard of this.

I have'nt really left this thread since she was reported so I'm pretty sure it was here. it was reported early and the one(female)who spoke of it said she had'nt been contacted by LE re: Lisa and she thought it was weird cause they did call and report the screams. Gosh now I'm gonna have to go in search of....

 

[CathyinTexas]

Young said they cleared up the lead for the man carrying the baby in the middle of the night and there was nothing to it. This was on Judge Jeanine and the segment has yet to be published on the Internet.

REALLY??? And how did they clear it up. Did they talk to a neighbor who admitted that he was carrying his own baby with no clothing on in the middle of the night in cold temperatures? I believe there is a connection between the handyman/neighbor who hasn't been seen since...and this sighting of the man carrying a baby that night.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44842241#44842241

video with info on handyman....

wm

 

[angeleleven]

They also said on Fox.....why would someone try to go through a window when the front door was unlocked.

 

[natsound]

The Mom's tears are genuine, even according to Dr. Glass. She is exhibiting emotions and behaviors that fit with a mother whose child has been kidnapped, imo. To know that she is the prime suspect of LE, and feel helpless in this nightmare, may be why she is not always consistent in her interviews. It is the Dad who seems odd to me. There are pictures and videos that convey a distrust for his wife, and I think his lack of emotion is odd. But I don't think he harmed his daughter.

Yes, but the mother may be genuinely nervous, or genuinely full of restless energy.

I'm a real skeptic by nature, and I just don't go by what any body language expert says. Hasn't Dr. Glass been way off before? I'm asking... not trying to suggest anything. Cliff Van Zandt did say on one of the morning shows that we have to be very careful trying to read body language, either in support of, or critical of, those involved in a case.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I remember in the Van Damm case, how the parents were crucified until they discovered Westerfield. And how innocuous he seemed, totally the normal family man.

Heck in most of the cases the parents were crucified publicly until someone else was arrested.

These parents seem to fit the rare cases, even the question "too coincidental that it happens on the dads first night at work" imo works for the parents.

It seems to me far more unlikely that the mom chose to snap and kill what seems to be a beloved child on the first night dad isn't there than it is a neighbor, an outsider who had an idea of the routine OR just lucked in re dad.

imo

For those who think the Mom was involved but not the Dad. The police said he has a solid alibi. How would she have had time to do anything. A neighbor and her children were there until 10:30 that night.

 

[Tricia]

BBM, FWIW, Yes LE wrongly fingered Richard Ricci for Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping. But IMO, he was rightly arrested for robberies uncovered during the investigation. He was a repeat offender who previously went to prison for attempted murder of a cop. He was facing a three strikes out situation.

Elizabeth Smart kidnapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(snip)
Ultimately, the Salt Lake City police signaled that their prime person of interest was Richard Ricci, being held in custody for unrelated reasons. Ricci, a handyman hired by the Smarts, was on parole for a 1983 attempted murder of police officer Mike Hill. He was charged with felony burglaries of homes in the area similar in circumstances to the break-in at the Smarts. Ricci later died in jail from a Cerebral hemorrhage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia a few weeks after he refused to provide a confession to Utah corrections officers.[23] With his death, it seemed that all leads were exhausted. Upon discovery of the actual kidnappers, Ricci's widow issued a statement expressing relief at Smart's safe return and her husband's innocence.

Richard Ricci was an ex con. But he was arrested for telling the truth without a lawyer present. As soon as he heard what it was about he admited to taking a t-shirt, a jar off seashells and a one hundred dollar bill. He wanted ot make sure the cops knew he wasn't the one so he opened his life and admitted all of this.

They violated his parole for drinking a beer and put him in solitary after he admitted stealing.

Again, not excusing this at all.

I'm not suggesting the cops shouldn't have torn his life inside out to see if he was the one but there was NOTHING that even indicated in the slightest he was involved.

The mechanic lied about Ricci taking his car from his shop. Total lie,
Neighbors lied to get warrants quashed.

So many people lied to benefit themselves just to point the finger at Ricci.

It was the most disgusting misuse of law enforcement I have ever seen.

There is so much more but please, not matter what Ricci did, it does not excuse the way he was treated and accused.

His head literally exploded (stroke) from the stress of the intense treatment he received in prison. They kept accusing him of taking Elizabeth. Again, there is more.

This was wrong on so many levels.

Sorry. Off topic. Let's get back to baby Lisa.

 

[In da Middle]

Well shoot! What happened to that 'new' lead in Kansas?

I don't know if this has been answered yet and I only have a minute right now. The 'BIG NEWS' is only that they went to a former jobsite of dad's and looked around. Found nothing. End of story. At least they are checking out virtually everything.

 

[packerdog]

Not sure if he knows Lisa's family but he lived in the neighborhood.

Gah! They started the piece just as I went to the bathroom so I missed the first part. A neighbor was being interviewed when I returned so maybe this info came from her and I missed it.

He apparantly is one of the neighbors who the LE haven't spoken to as Matt stated the man hasn't been seen since Lisa disappeared.

wm

WOW sounds like David Westerfield in the Van Dam case. He wasn't home when LE canvased the neighborhood either.

 

[Cher352]

Fox news just said 'things are not adding up for the police'. They will go back to focusing on the parents.

I hope they aren't being pressured to solve this case due to all the national attention this case is getting and are at least running parrallel investigations.

 

[Elley Mae]

For those who think the Mom was involved but not the Dad. The police said he has a solid alibi. How would she have had time to do anything. A neighbor and her children were there until 10:30 that night.

I have not read that. could I have a link to that info about a neighbor being there til 10:30

 

[Soulmagent]

This is the first I've heard of this.

Are you sure you dont have this case confused with the Holly bobo case ? Where a neighbor heard screams?

I have not seen it in this case but I havent read everypost.