MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[EllaMae]

Saw one tweet about LE now searching river, but can't find any details elsewhere. Any locals able to verify?

Ugh! I keep wanting to be hopeful, but that river is there, and it's always a possibility that the baby is in the water. I know they need to search it....

 

[BeanE]

Police: 'At the mercy of the next good idea'
Posted: Oct 10, 2011 7:42 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM EDT

And police are struggling to find any answers.

Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young told The Associated Press Monday that detectives are pursuing leads but are "at the mercy of the next good idea."

"Detectives are still tracking leads as we speak," said Young.

According to police, detectives were leaving in pairs from the command post Monday morning to track down information that had come in over the weekend.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa

 

[curiositycat]

Is there any layout of the house?
Where is the computer room?
The house doesn't look very big?
About the size of a double wide trailer?
25 x 50 maybe?

The house is bigger then it looks at first glance. Last night someone had a link, to the property records. Though it looks small from the front, someone had a picture of the back of the house. (Sorry, I have no link) and there is a full second story basement, with a double car garage. There is also another building on the property that looks like another 2 car garage or workshop.

The property records list four bedrooms. I think what they refer to as the "computer room" might be the "4th bedroom"

 

[MaciBean]

Smoker?

You have to remember it's been warm during the day and cooler at night.

 

[Paige SC]

What do we know about the parents and their socio-economic status? What do they do for a living? How long have they been together, etc? Any prior criminal history or drug use?

 

[justbeachy]

Cases like this always seem to have multiple tragedies. Not only the missing child and the loved ones of the child, but also the people who are brought into it as suspects and are actually innocent.

I'm glad that LE seems to be checking out every lead (i.e., California, teenager, handyman, parents), but I'm also very thankful that they are not releasing any names. This could ruin a person's reputation and they might not have anything to do with it at all! The parents almost don't have a choice...they are going to be looked at. But, this handyman and that teenager, they could have nothing at all to do with it!

And once a name is out there (and sometimes even when it isn't but the community "knows" who it is), they remain under a cloud of suspicion unless they can prove 100% that they weren't involved.

Anyway, I'm very pleased that LE is keeping tight-lipped about names until they have solid cause to release them.

 

[wfgodot]

Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young told The Associated Press Monday that detectives are pursuing leads but are "at the mercy of the next good idea."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa

snippity-snip

Hm. Interesting way of putting that.

 

[BeanE]

Same article I linked above:

At the same time, police were called to Edwardsville, KS on a tip.

Detectives searched the wooded area where it went into the Kansas River.

Police said they received information that it is where baby Lisa's father had a job recently; they left empty-handed.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm not saying a stranger kidnapping with the intent to sell on the black market is outside the realm of possibilities, but what are the chances that

- dad starts the night shift
- mom forgets to lock the doors
-the dog doesn't bark
- no one wakes up

Then it begs the question, why Lisa? You can't convince me she was the easiest target. I read on BBC all the time about parents running in to pay for gas, running in to buy cupcakes, just running into the store for a minute for whatever, I guarantee you it'd be much easier to walk through a parking lot at target, walmart, grocery store, gas station and snatch a baby and be long gone before the parents notice.

If she was abducted by a highly trained black market baby stealing ring, then where are all the other blond/blue babies that are so highly desired?

If someone is trying to pass of a very large 10 month old (most people would probably guess her age closer to 18 months) for a new adoption and the adoptees don't know she was stolen and don't care that she's not an infant, then why not adopt out of the foster system? If you are willing to adopt a baby that isn't a newborn, then there are plenty of easier options out there than hooking up w/some shady adoption agency that is selling stolen babies. Right?

Maybe I'm just very naive as far as black market babies go.

 

[Elley Mae]

I too want to know exactly how the Dad (jeremy) found the house, step by step. Did you first note that the door was not locked, then look and see the screen (?) ajar, messed, broke, bent, on the ground, on the floor of the house, just exactly what did he come home too, and what did he do first,second third and so on. and not told randomly.

 

[BeanE]

NBCActionNews NBC Action News
#LisaIrwin's neighbor says he was questioned about, shown picture of man he thought was suspicious pub.vitrue.com/nQ4
7 minutes ago

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...land/no-sign-of-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search

 

[TobyWong*]

And we know nobody has said this how? Again, just because it hasn't been reported, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I personally know of several things around here that I have personally witnessed that are not being reported on. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, though.

True that. I'l re-phrase. I would like to have more info re: their movements that day. I would also like them to be printed in MSM.

 

[curiositycat]

Police: 'At the mercy of the next good idea'
Posted: Oct 10, 2011 7:42 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 10, 2011 11:48 AM EDT

And police are struggling to find any answers.

Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young told The Associated Press Monday that detectives are pursuing leads but are "at the mercy of the next good idea."

"Detectives are still tracking leads as we speak," said Young.

According to police, detectives were leaving in pairs from the command post Monday morning to track down information that had come in over the weekend.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa

Thanks guess we know why they were searching in KS last night. From that article you linked;
"At the same time, police were called to Edwardsville, KS on a tip.
Detectives searched the wooded area where it went into the Kansas River.
Police said they received information that it is where baby Lisa's father had a job recently; they left empty-handed."

 

[MaciBean]

What do we know about the parents and their socio-economic status? What do they do for a living? How long have they been together, etc? Any prior criminal history or drug use?

Looked on Missouri and surrounding states and didn't see anything criminal for either parent.

 

[BeanE]

Police have not released any information about a potential suspect in the disappearance of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, but a neighbor says investigators have questioned him about a man who has been seen riding his bike in the neighborhood.

The neighbor says authorities brought a picture of a man to his door and asked him if he had seen him.

He told police that he had seen the man, who he described as in his 20s, riding a bike and carrying a backpack.

The neighbor, who has lived in the neighborhood for 40 years and says he knows all of its residents, says he is sure the man does not live close by and was suspicious of the man even before Lisa disappeared.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...f-lisa-irwin-7-days-into-search#ixzz1aOkLHeOy

Also see video with article

 

[Wishbone]

Then why o'why does LE have to waste their time re-enacting the scene yesterday? IMO LE was told first thing that , that window was point of entry. They were dusting that window right away. And mom says she left it open. And if mom opened it, then when inthis sequence would dad look at it & "know" something was wrong? And did he see this window when he pulled up and knew or was it after they realized their daughter was gone, cause afterward, I'd think mom would say "i opened that".

They both agreed on the JJ interview that they didn't think the kidnapper? came in thru the window....Nothing makes sense

 

[vasportsmom]

Smoker?

Didn't a local say the parents were often out in the front yard with the kids smoking? Maybe mom wasn't as careful with dad out of the house or maybe it was after the kids went to bed and she didn't want to leave them unattended so she went to that room to smoke and forgot to close the window?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I too want to know exactly how the Dad (jeremy) found the house, step by step. Did you first note that the door was not locked, then look and see the screen (?) ajar, messed, broke, bent, on the ground, on the floor of the house, just exactly what did he come home too, and what did he do first,second third and so on. and not told randomly.

Hi Elley, you might find this video with Judge J helpful:


[ame]http://video.foxnews.com/v/1208764392001/exclusive-parents-of-missing-baby-lisa-speak-out/?playlist_id=163706[/ame]


Here is what I find notable about the video:
At :55
JJ: but that night, who went to bed first? DB: Lisa (cries) then I put the boys to bed. And then I went to sleep.
JJ: The neighbor was gone when you went to sleep? DB: Yeah JJ: Ok, and you think that was about 10:30? DB: Yeah

I am probably being a bit biased as I already suspect her involvement, so forgive me for being so suspicious of how she answered this, but I found her crying at that moment to be deflective of discussing when she put Lisa to bed. She was quick to leave the Lisa topic once the brief crying was over.

I also find her crying to have a remarkably fast recovery at about 1:50.

Regarding JI, he appears to be sweating and his pupils are dilated, indicating fear. MOO.

 

[curiositycat]

What do we know about the parents and their socio-economic status? What do they do for a living? How long have they been together, etc? Any prior criminal history or drug use?

The dad, JI, is only 29, I think that's what I remember, and he has owned that home for 9 years. He is the only person on the deed in the property records. To me, in this day and age, that looks pretty stable.

I don't know a lot of people who were able to buy a home at that young age.

 

[cluciano63]

The "handyman" may be a person that someone called in a tip about and LE followed up, as they should. No way to know if there is more there, or not. At least LE seems to be looking at various alternatives. What is scary as per today, Young's comment really makes it seem like they are at the same place they were a week ago; no real idea what happened.

Why doesn't the FBI issue a reward, post Lisa's picture on their site, send out some sort of worldwide BOLO? I know they posted a reward in Celina's case fairly quickly. If this is a case of kidnapping and possible underground adoption or baby selling, there might be a link in the chain interested in claiming a reward...selling t-shirts isn't going to add up to much of a reward, JMO.

I also don't really understand the negative comments about LE; I am not seeing anything better or worse about this LE than in many other cases. For example, Kyron's case, MCSO seems to have been chasing their tail for 16+ months and I've seen very few negative comments about their skills, motives, etc...I think LE is trying to do everything they can in this case, but sometimes there just isn't much to work with. FBI should be more vocal, maybe, if local LE is not coming across as effective...JMO