MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[Elley Mae]

Where is In da Middle when you need her???...LOL!

Since the Today show said LE was going through the neighborhood asking about him it would be interesting to know what she knows about it.

I hope this is not going to turn into a who can we throw under the bus today case. hate to see lives destroyed.

 

[Cher352]

Would like more info on the man seen carrying the baby. What time was that? Who was it that saw that? Wasn't it reported that that baby was only wearing a diaper (in which case, maybe the clothes went in the dumpster?)
My mind is going in a million directions right now since the report of the missing handyman.

Video report on it here.

 

[denalves]

Today show said that the Mom is still legally married to the Bradley guy. But he is in armed services and is deployed so that rules him out.

wm

Anyone associated so closely with the parents needs to be looked at with magnifying glasses. Someone could have been hired to carry out the kidnapping, although that is a little difficult to believe. The suspect for my brother's kidnapping is the woman my Father had an affair with. Peoples emotions can drive them to do crazy things. Motive?

 

[twall]

[/B]

respectfully BBM

That's basically what the lady (a neighbor, I assume) was saying in the interview when I came out of the bathroom. She was saying that the neighbors are all taking safety precautions because they are scared that it's someone close by whose is familiar with the neighborhood.

I can't wait to watch it again cause I'd bet that this new tidbit came from her but can't be sure til I watch the whole thing.


Moo and paraphrased from what I heard.
wm

I was watching some local news videos from the first 2 days of coverage that I missed and was floored at the neighbors being interviewed in front of their homes who showed their small children and said they were scared. If they are so scared they should not be advertising their kids and where they live! Geez! :maddening: That doesn't seem like a safety precaution to me!

 

[NancyA]

I know statistics have been discussed as a reason the parents must be involved. What about those babies that were the exception? It's rare that a baby is abducted but it happens. Just ask one of those families that were sadly on the "wrong side" of the statistics. As for Lisa's parents' story, seriously, if they were going to make up a story to cover up Lisa's disappearance, I highly doubt they'd tell the story they're tellng. I stand by my opinion that they are not responsible. I will say maybe a stranger took her but I feel more strongly it was someone known to them.

BBM.

This! You see, yesterday I was reminded that - to paraphrase - statistically it’s always the most obvious suspects ie those closest to the victim who are the perps – that the Casey Anthonys, the O.Js and the Ramseys ARE indeed guilty and therefore it’s more than a little ludicrous to consider a stranger did it. And I agree those pesky statistics do bear this theory out in 99.9% of cases, however, the more I think about it (and I’ll admit that the charge of ‘ludicrous’ did rankle a little, though, honestly, I’m not bitter :wink: ) often the reason that other scenarios seem ludicrous is because they ARE ludicrous and more so because they are most often put forth by the suspect or his/her defense team who overreach, overstage, exaggerate and lie. We have invisi-nannies, too-small blood-soaked gloves, ransom notes from small foreign factions etc stories so out there very few find them at all credible. But in this case what do we have that is so outrageously far-fetched? Nothing I can see. The break in no one hears, the lights switched on, the dog that didn’t bark and the missing cell phones? Home invasions and burglaries happen all the time in houses full of sleeping people with dogs, and even with sophisticated alarm systems etc and while kidnappings of this kind are rare, stories such as those of Christopher highlighted so poignantly here, Polly Klaas, little Kienan, Elizabeth Smart all show that they can and do happen.

Nothing as far as I can see in this case leads me to believe that it is ‘ludicrous’ to suppose these parents weren’t involved. Yep ITA, if they were gonna stage a kidnapping to cover up a negligent accident/murder couldn’t they come up with a better story?

And a sidenote, hell, seems to me that the more ludicrous the story the more likely the most likely suspects are to get away with it if the 3 cases aforementioned are anything to go by. JMO.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Where is In da Middle when you need her???...LOL!

Since the Today show said LE was going through the neighborhood asking about him it would be interesting to know what she knows about it.

LOL! We think alike Cher!

One thing that concerns me is that Matt said the mysterious handyman 'possibly' has a police record.

Let's all watch today to see if other msm picks up on this story.

wm

 

[CN2Souls]

Morning Everyone, :seeya:

:hug: to all who kept up on info...



Where is the RECAP post?


I had "Real Life" all weekend.


Wondering what I may have missed...


Or maybe some one can give a recap....

TYA

 

[justbeachy]

Anything is possible, but I'm just not feeling the handyman angle. No reason why, so don't ask me for any logic behind it. LOL

 

[Gardenlady]

CN2 here is the timeline/summary link:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150977"]Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Not much happened over night. yesterday LE was back at the Irwin home filming "reenactments" of possible window break in.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Morning Everyone, :seeya:

:hug: to all who kept up on info...



Where is the RECAP post?


I had "Real Life" all weekend.


Wondering what I may have missed...


Or maybe some one can give a recap....

TYA

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44842241#44842241

New info at link about a mysterious handyman...

 

[andalso]

Video report on it here.

Think you meant to put a link? TIA (Still early, I know)

 

[SilkySifaka]

Good Morning!

On Today show Matt and Clint van Sandt are discussing a handyman from the neighborhood that hasn't been seen since Lisa disappeared. They said FBI was showing his picture to neighbors.

Has anyone heard anything about this? TIA

wm

WHAA????? seems a tad coincidental for a man to disappear right afterwards.

 

[chieftess]

watching local news, kctv5
Police searched a wooded area in Edwardsville KS, but found nothing.
First time it was mentioned they said it was near a job that JI worked at recently.
Second time mentioned, said they were following up on a tip
I checked for updates on their website, but they don't have this info loaded yet

 

[waltzingmatilda]

WHAA????? seems a tad coincidental for a man to disappear right afterwards.

I just listened to the vid again and Matt said handyman had not been seen since before Lisa disappeared.

Just wanted to clarify.:crazy:

wm

 

[Elley Mae]

WHAA????? seems a tad coincidental for a man to disappear right afterwards.

I will wait on this info. what if he is not from the neighborhood, and because he can't be reached, he can't be located.

 

[mrye4709]

Geez, I hope I can catch up after I get one ready and take her school.

I was thinking too much this morning. If I wanted to stage a kidnapping I would have thrown a rock or something to make the dogs bark, NOT pushed the screen in and left only enough lights on to see, not all. I just don't think either of these parents did anything. It was someone who knows them, reall close. Knows they keep doors closed, knows where baby Lisas room is, knows dad would be gone on THIS night. Wanted to make these parents hurt real bad and lose their entire life and reputations. JMO. Maybe the ex that said he was ruthless? How can that be if she didn't even protest custody? How did they clear everyone on their list? It's night and most people are sleeping. I have left with my daughter and taken the child in the house (to the ER) a couple of times and didn't wake my hubby because I knew I would be home before he got up. He never knew until I told him. I'm praying this baby is ok and will be home soon with her family. JMO

 

[chieftess]

ok, they just updated
here's the link:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15655082/hope-does-not-fade-in-search-for-baby-lisa

At the same time, police were called to Edwardsville, KS, on a tip.

Detectives searched the wooded area where it went into the Kansas River.

Police said they received information that it is where baby Lisa's father had a job recently; they left empty handed.

snipped that from the article, no mention of the handyman

 

[SilkySifaka]

In regard to my brothers case. We lived a few blocks from a lake and LE drained the lake. My family was very frustrated with that decision, because my parents were looking for their baby and LE was wasting valuable time looking for a body. We felt the motive had to be because someone wanted a baby, not to murder him. Who would take a 7 month old to murder a couple blocks away? In retrospect I know that LE had formed tunnel vision and felt someone in the family was responsible and therefore they drained the lake. In the mean time the kidnapper is getting away with it. In the early stages of the investigation LE needs to be pro-active, rather than re-active. I always felt like my brothers detectives just reacted to leads coming in rather than actually going out and "investigating". I now know that was the case. My brothers detectives lacked the experience. There are more investigating resources available now than there were 25 years ago.

So sorry to hear about your brother. Hopefully new investigation will get some answers.

I believe that in many cases (especially when there is some evidence a woman is involved) it does mean solely an abduction. This one is different to me...don't think the parents did it but do think it was someone who either is a pedophile or wanted to harm the parents and were quite able to kill a baby to do so. I just see no reason for keeping her alive, to dangerous, if it was for either of those reasons.

 

[shefner]

Christopher Abeyta was also kidnapped from his crib in the middle of the night. He was 7 months old. There have only been a handful of non-family abductions of infants taken from their cribs. Christopher is my brother and I slept in the next room over from him the night he was kidnapped. We did not hear a thing. My family always cooperated with LE, although I remember my Parents getting upset because they didn't think LE were doing enough. My mom failed the polygraph and once she did LE formed a myopic view and did not thoroughly investigate leads. I know firsthand when my Mom was being interrorgated they told her things like "your baby is at the bottom of the lake being eaten by vernom, just tell us what you did with him" They questioned her for hours upon hours. Ironically they didn't suspect my Dad, yet my Parents slept in the same bed and it was a waterbed! The kidnapper did not turn on any lights in our home and when she left but she did leave the front door open. We didn't have anything else missing, except we had been missing a garage door opener previously. No doubt my family was under suspicion because of the "how could you not hear anything?". "why didn't the baby wake up?" Watching Lisa's disappearance unfold brings back raw emotions and memories, and no family should ever have to endure waking up to an empty crib and the torment of "not knowing". My Parents have never given up searching for their son. We do have a suspect. Her name had been given to LE the day after my brothers disappearance and she was not investigated! It is really unbelievable. My Mom did all of the investigating on her own. Finally a review is being done of my brothers case because of my families persistance. Go to www.findchristopher.com to compare cases.

Denalves, I wanted to take a moment to thank you for being here at Websleuths and for your willingness to share from your heart about your brother, Christopher. How painful and traumatic for you and your parents to have him taken from you. I am not familiar with your brother's abduction but I am going to read the link you provided. I just thought I would take stop for a bit and tell you how sorry I am. Prayers for you and your family....shefner

 

[alwayslooking]

Here are some examples of abductions by neighbors:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Westerfield"]David Westerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Missing-Abducted-Missouri-3-yr-old-girl-dead-neighbor-arrested

http://www.click2houston.com/news/26334262/detail.html

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2011/05/10/news/doc4dc905f8261f0869777575.txt?viewmode=2

And this is just the tip of the iceberg, this does not includ any children taken by stranger's that watched from afar!