MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[Soulmagent]

They did have metal detectors combing the yard

Right and when I watched the video one officer,leaned over to feel the grass with a side ways motion like he was looking for a small item on top of the ground. Not like he was looking for anything buried or large because he went in to see what the hit was on and didnt just look. He did however toss whatever he found back on the ground which was confusing to me ,if he was trying to clear the area,he should have taken it with him.

 

[curiousc]

Has anyone heard if anything other than baby Lisa and the phones are missing? Like a Blanket or jacket maybe? It is Oct. and if someone were stealing a baby wouldn't they want to conceal the baby somewhat in a blanket or something?

If Lisa was taken out with just her clothes, but was spotted in a man's arms in a diaper only, Where are the clothes? Burnt in the dumpster? If I were LE I would try to get all the information I could on the make and manufacturer of the outfit. Perhaps a picture shows her in this outfit. This could help manufacueres to determine what material the clothes were made of. Then, a chemical analysis of the burnt dumpster residue might reveal something. The house also needs to be searched for this outfit. Also, try to pinpoint where this outfit was bought and by who and where. This could be really important.

Good point. Is there any other article of clothing or a blanket missing? What about the blanket that she possibly had in the crib when she went to sleep? Why no description of a blanket?

 

[curiositycat]

i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.

Saw that too, Shep does tend to exaggerate at times. :waitasec:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Nope it's Netz. Of that I am sure. :innocent:

Yeah...I know it is now. My major point of the post was whether it really mattered in the case. I hate how its so hard to get your real feelings across on forums...:banghead:

 

[askfornina]

Saw that too, Shep does tend to exaggerate at times. :waitasec:

did you see the two bald yelling men he had on talking about the case? whew. couldn't take all that. talking heads baffle me sometimes.

 

[jjenny]

Saw that too, Shep does tend to exaggerate at times. :waitasec:

I also believe the parents expressed the opinion that they don't have a clue of how it happened. So that would make it impossible for LE to even re-enact it as parents claimed it happened.

 

[IAM]

I agree, that seems very strange to me. I mean why not give him one,
just to rule him out as having any knowledge ? It makes me wonder if
they have some sort of actual evidence that Mom is lying to them.

Or, they are trying to make the dad feel at ease like the focus is not on him....

 

[MyBelle]

I agree, that seems very strange to me. I mean why not give him one,
just to rule him out as having any knowledge ? It makes me wonder if
they have some sort of actual evidence that Mom is lying to them.

If LE already suspects the father, they aren't going to rule him out just because he passes a poly.

JMO

 

[curiositycat]

Yeah...I know it is now. My major point of the post was whether it really mattered in the case. I hate how its so hard to get your real feelings across on forums...:banghead:

I know what you mean. Without being able to see the person, or hear their voice, it's easy to read meaning into something that isn't there. It can be frustrating at times.

 

[IAM]

Yeah...I know it is now. My major point of the post was whether it really mattered in the case. I hate how its so hard to get your real feelings across on forums...:banghead:

It may not matter to the case. But, it matters to us Sleuths who are trying to peruse any pertaining articles. The correct spelling is needed to do this.

 

[panthera]

i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.

That was an earlier question I had, if LE had attempted this re-enactment before, closer to the time of her disappearance, or waited until yesterday with several attempts in that singular re-enactment.

:waitasec:

 

[katydid23]

What good does it do him to burn the clothes in the dumpster? How did this man know where Lisa's room was, when all doors were closed? How did he know JI was at work? Why did he put the screen back on after climbing through the window? Why did the dogs not bark? Why did the baby not cry? Why did he take the phones?

He could have burned the clothes and maybe the sim cards as a way of getting rid of identifying evidence. And he may , of course, be insane.

It is easy to know where an infant's room is, you open the door and look inside. There are only a few choices to choose from. Besides, he may have been inside before.

He did not climb the the window, most likely came in thru the front unlocked door.

He could have easily seen JI drive away in his work truck that night.

Maybe the dogs did bark. But they are fenced up in the back yard. And the baby was probably dosed on baby tylenol. She may have slept through it.
Or maybe she cried and he muffled her cries somehow.

And if the phones were all together sitting in plain sight on the cointer I would be surprised if he did not take them. imoo

 

[mrye4709]

Now FOX is pretty much saying the parents are guilty. I understand the story doesn't make sense and the parents are changing little details, but what happened to evidence and our justice system? Maybe they should start talking about some of the other children missing and stop trying to get ratings on this one alone. I'm on the fence, but I take up for the parents because I feel that there needs to be proof of something before they are convicted by the media and the public. Geez, I hope nothing happens to a child i'm close to. If the parents did something then she can't be far, just find her and then figure out what happened. Praying she is somewhere safe.....

 

[EllaMae]

So poor people buy babies? Im not trying to be snarky, its just that black market adoption isn't cheap. Like I said Google it I promise you will be floored. Just search the word adoption and read ALL articles. The content doesn't always match the title. ALL people cannot pass adoption test and procedures. Some people are just too impatient to wait through the process.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO LISA.
Btw the adoptive parents do not always know where their baby came from. They set it up with a lawyer. (
sometimes)

Think about this case.....

Lisa Steinberg and her baby brother who were illegally adopted by a coke- head pseudo lawyer and his equally coked-out live-in lover Hedda Nusbaum. People around them were suspicious,especially her co-workers, but no one really did anything to help Lisa Steinberg or the baby boy they adopted next. Although technically the babies were not kidnapped, Steinberg was the "lawyer" who set up the supposed adoption but he actually kept them because his lover wanted children and he knew they'd never be allowed to adopt legally. The birth parents never knew who actually had their babies.
Steinburg was only allowed to practice law due to a legal loop-hole in NY law at the time. IIRC he either couldn't pass the bar, or didn't finish law school or something. He was really just con artist.
He beat Lisa into unconsciousness, and then left her to die on a cold bathroom floor while he and Hedda smoked crack for hours on end. Hedda finally called for help but it was way too late. The baby boy was found tied in a playpen with a diaper he'd had on for days and a bottle full of curdled milk.

 

[askfornina]

Now FOX is pretty much saying the parents are guilty. I understand the story doesn't make sense and the parents are changing little details, but what happened to evidence and our justice system? Maybe they should start talking about some of the other children missing and stop trying to get ratings on this one alone. I'm on the fence, but I take up for the parents because I feel that there needs to be proof of something before they are convicted by the media and the public. Geez, I hope nothing happens to a child i'm close to. If the parents did something then she can't be far, just find her and then figure out what happened. Praying she is somewhere safe.....

Shepard Smith really was going after the mother. they did a montage of a couple of interviews. they didn't even SHOW the father. :banghead:

 

[panthera]

Good point. Is there any other article of clothing or a blanket missing? What about the blanket that she possibly had in the crib when she went to sleep? Why no description of a blanket?

Good point. Someone taking a baby out of her crib would likely remove her with the blanket if for no other reason than to disguise what they were carrying out the front door.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.

What part of their story was LE trying to reenact?

 

[kantoo]

i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.

I have not heard the parents say how the abductor came in through the window. I thought that was just one of LE's options as to how the baby could have been abducted.

 

[wfgodot]

Now FOX is pretty much saying the parents are guilty. I understand the story doesn't make sense and the parents are changing little details, but what happened to evidence and our justice system? Maybe they should start talking about some of the other children missing and stop trying to get ratings on this one alone. I'm on the fence, but I take up for the parents because I feel that there needs to be proof of something before they are convicted by the media and the public. Geez, I hope nothing happens to a child i'm close to. If the parents did something then she can't be far, just find her and then figure out what happened. Praying she is somewhere safe.....

That's what one expects from Fox. Certainly not carefully balanced analysis.

 

[askfornina]

What part of their story was LE trying to reenact?

he was talking about the police going through the window. "reenactment" as it relates to the window. i think Shepard Smith was just really, really wrong in that entire segment.