MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[JeannaT]

Now FOX is pretty much saying the parents are guilty. I understand the story doesn't make sense and the parents are changing little details, but what happened to evidence and our justice system? Maybe they should start talking about some of the other children missing and stop trying to get ratings on this one alone. I'm on the fence, but I take up for the parents because I feel that there needs to be proof of something before they are convicted by the media and the public. Geez, I hope nothing happens to a child i'm close to. If the parents did something then she can't be far, just find her and then figure out what happened. Praying she is somewhere safe.....

I wish everyone who has had someone break into their house in the wee hours, and they didn't know it until later would come forward and storm FOX with emails.

I'll go first. Back when I was first married, my brother was going to come visit and arrive in the wee hours of the night so I left the front door unlocked. (Something that I do fairly regularly anyway out of carelessness). At the time we had the best watch dog I've ever had, a Jack Russell mix who NEVER missed a beat. He had several barks/growls which we came to be able to read very well, what he was communicating. Sliding anything at all past that dog was impossible. So anyway, my brother came in about 3, fixed himself a sandwich and went to bed. Fred the dog didn't alarm (something we still marvel at occasionally) and none of us woke up although I was trying to sleep lightly to hear when he arrived. When I woke up in the morning, I thought my brother had been delayed and had not arrived and was very surprised to see him there.

And of course I could list all the cases of kidnappings that are proved to have happened just the way Lisa was taken. IMHO. Coralrose Fullwood for one.

 

[MyBelle]

Now FOX is pretty much saying the parents are guilty. I understand the story doesn't make sense and the parents are changing little details, but what happened to evidence and our justice system? Maybe they should start talking about some of the other children missing and stop trying to get ratings on this one alone. I'm on the fence, but I take up for the parents because I feel that there needs to be proof of something before they are convicted by the media and the public. Geez, I hope nothing happens to a child i'm close to. If the parents did something then she can't be far, just find her and then figure out what happened. Praying she is somewhere safe.....

the only evidence they have is that the child is not where she is supposed to be. I'm not sure why you conclude the child would be close by if the parents did something to her. Landfills and rivers are not exactly easy locations to search.

JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Latest update from AP:

Police back at home of Kansas City missing baby
Email Story Print By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER, AP
16 minutes ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Investigators in Kansas City climbed through a window that parents said had been tampered with the night their 10-month-old daughter disappeared in an apparent attempt to re-enact an abduction.

Lisa Irwin's parents reported her missing early Tuesday after her father returned home from work. Her parents said someone must have crept into their home while the child's mother and brothers slept and snatched the baby girl.

The parents said a front window had been tampered with, and police were seen crawling through one Sunday. An officer was back at the house early Monday for about 10 minutes, walking around to the rear...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20111008/US.Baby.Missing/

 

[tlcya]

i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.

I think the BBM portion may be correct. sounds like conjecture on Shep's part to me. Also, parents can't have said "how it happened" as they claim to have been asleep (Deborah) and at work (Jeremy). As far as I know parents have continued to stick to the statement that they don't really know what happened. So, it is not possible for LE to even be trying to test how parents said it happened as they never said how it happened.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Lisa story coming up on CNN - a new twist - wonder what that is?

 

[MissJames]

Could the baby have suffocated...parent...parents....afraid of being charged with neglect...maybe the parent panicked at time of death and called someone...and they decided they had to make it look like a night just like any old night...no late phone calls etc...hence the need to make cell phones disappear. Do cell phone pings transmit once under water?...This is horrible to say, but much easier to get rid of a little body...evidence (the body) vanishes more quickly because so small....MOO of course...there are just so many little blue eyed blonde babies in crib across America every night that could be "snatched" there would b more of it if it were some $ business thing. If it were a mentally "ill"person who needed a baby...would they be so good at it as to leave no evidence...and how far away could they be...someone would know....I will say it again...MOO

I just don't believe a mother would assume her baby is beyond help,and get rid of the body. Not if she loved the baby .She would call for help.

 

[elepher50]

A police re-enactment in the Baby Lisa case today raised scepticism about her parents’ claims that the child was plucked from her crib by an unknown abductor in the middle of the night.

The operation proved difficult for two officers acting as a potential kidnapper, as each had difficulty getting into the home and needed help from other investigators.

One officer got his legs caught in the window after it suddenly slammed closed while he was climbing in.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ck-window-kidnap-enactment.html#ixzz1aPPfdTxd

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...indow-kidnap-enactment.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[angelsdream76]

I live about 10 minutes NW of where baby Lisa lives. I haven't seen a single flyer up here. Not one at gas stations, restaurants or at Zona Rosa which a huge outdoor shopping center.

As far as kidnapping for illegal adoption, does anybody remember the seriel killer John Robinson, who was from KS/Mo. He befriended a single mother from a battered women's shelter. She had a 4-5 month old daughter. He killed her, forged papers and gave the baby to his brother, saying the mother had commited suicide.

Also there are 2 airports very close to them. The downtown and KCI. I haven't flown in forever, but how easy would it be to hop on a plane and be out of the area?

 

[SarahW]

Saw that too, Shep does tend to exaggerate at times. :waitasec:

A. The parents did not claim an intruder came in through the window - only that the window appeared tampered with. Both said it did not appear to them as though an intruder COULD have gotten in the window opening.

B. I watched the the officer klutzing himself in again and again. It was almost as if he WISHED to make it appear that getting in the window were impractical. I know men older than he who could manage it with more grace.

 

[katydid23]

O/T This thread seems to be moving so much slower today. Yesterday I was away for a few hours and ended up a whole thread behind. BTW, if my kid goes missing you can safely assume I did something to him, lol. Yesterday I baked and decorated a cake for his new g/f and then fixed a really nice dinner for her b-day only to have him dump her as he walked her out to the car!!! :banghead:

He DUMPED her on her birthday?11???? Oh my. Poor girl. LOL

 

[MissJames]

That's what one expects from Fox. Certainly not carefully balanced analysis.

As opposed to..........:waitasec:

 

[MyBelle]

I think the BBM portion may be correct. sounds like conjecture on Shep's part to me. Also, parents can't have said "how it happened" as they claim to have been asleep (Deborah) and at work (Jeremy). As far as I know parents have continued to stick to the statement that they don't really know what happened. So, it is not possible for LE to even be trying to test how parents said it happened as they never said how it happened.

The parents have stated "facts"--things they claim were noticeably out of the ordinary--that imply what happened. I think LE is now establishing that these "facts" were merely the parents staging the scene. iow, no intruder came in or went out the window.

JMO

 

[laytonian]

I wish everyone who has had someone break into their house in the wee hours, and they didn't know it until later would come forward and storm FOX with emails.

I'll go first. Back when I was first married, my brother was going to come visit and arrive in the wee hours of the night so I left the front door unlocked. (Something that I do fairly regularly anyway out of carelessness). At the time we had the best watch dog I've ever had, a Jack Russell mix who NEVER missed a beat. He had several barks/growls which we came to be able to read very well, what he was communicating. Sliding anything at all past that dog was impossible. So anyway, my brother came in about 3, fixed himself a sandwich and went to bed. Fred the dog didn't alarm (something we still marvel at occasionally) and none of us woke up although I was trying to sleep lightly to hear when he arrived. When I woke up in the morning, I thought my brother had been delayed and had not arrived and was very surprised to see him there.

And of course I could list all the cases of kidnappings that are proved to have happened just the way Lisa was taken. IMHO. Coralrose Fullwood for one.

Had your dog "met" your brother, prior to that?

We have a new dog (whippet/rat terrier mix), and we notice he alerts/barks on people the first time -- and then he's calm when they come in later.

Everyone I've known, whose home was broken into, was not home at the time.

 

[Elley Mae]

A. The parents did not claim an intruder came in through the window - only that the window appeared tampered with. Both said it did not appear to them as though an intruder COULD have gotten in the window opening.

B. I watched the the officer klutzing himself in again and again. It was almost as if he WISHED to make it appear that getting in the window were impractical. I know men older than he who could manage it with more grace.

I know exactly what you mean in reference to B, just like when OJ tried on the glove.

 

[wfgodot]

I live about 10 minutes NW of where baby Lisa lives. I haven't seen a single flyer up here. Not one at gas stations, restaurants or at Zona Rosa which a huge outdoor shopping center.

As far as kidnapping for illegal adoption, does anybody remember the seriel killer John Robinson, who was from KS/Mo. He befriended a single mother from a battered women's shelter. She had a 4-5 month old daughter. He killed her, forged papers and gave the baby to his brother, saying the mother had commited suicide.

Also there are 2 airports very close to them. The downtown and KCI. I haven't flown in forever, but how easy would it be to hop on a plane and be out of the area?

Hello and welcome to WS, angelsdream76.

 

[SarahW]

That's what one expects from Fox. Certainly not carefully balanced analysis.

Excuse me, that's what one expects of Shep Smith. The color commentators vary in quality. He's notorious for being silly.

 

[wfgodot]

As opposed to..........:waitasec:

Haphazardly balanced analysis??

 

[fraudqueen]

I've been following along on websleuths since this case broke and don't think I've seen this mentioned: what if there was an intruder, but they entered the house while they knew the family was away. Then, hid in the house til they knew they could sneak out w Lisa and no one would know. Intruders have hidden and waited before (btk hid and waited in the closet of one of his victims). Just trying to think outside the box.

Excellent theory....why not? this happens all the time in store burglaries.
best thoughts I've seen lately

 

[Tuffy]

Not if they have felonies.

They (the rich people) could still do a foreign adoption, where the background check might not be as thorough.

 

[wfgodot]

Excuse me, that's what one expects of Shep Smith. The color commentators vary in quality. He's notorious for being silly.

Not talking about the on-air personalities so much as I'm talking about Rupert Murdoch.