MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[davehead21]

Lisa's grandfather (mom's dad) spoke with KCTV5 and he said that they were at his house on Sunday afternoon for a birthday party. He said Baby Lisa was a bit fussy but still very happy. Can't find the link to the video....not too good at that....maybe someone better can find the video...it was on the 5 o'clock news.

I saw this too but I can't find the video either. We came to the conclusion earlier that they don't post everything they show on TV on the website. I was looking for a piece I saw last night and couldn't find it. And there was another lady who couldn't find something she had seen.

 

[mysteriew]

Also I'm big on body language and in a couple of the videos even though they were right beside each other she was leaning away from him and even had turned her body away from him just a tad bit but it was telling to me. Even as she was looking up at him for whatever reason, her shoulders and legs were facing away from him.

I asked here after watching one of the video's did he ever establish eye contact with anyone?

If he is not the one directly responsible for the childs disappearance then maybe he's going along with LE, but I don't see that.



I wish we knew more about him.

By now LE has told him what they suspect happened, why they suspect it and at least some of the evidence they have to back it up. Most of the pics of him that I have seen he has his head down. Maybe trying to hide his eyes so that suspicion can't be seen?

Also have considered that he is camera shy and is only making himself do this because of his daughter. That would also make his demeanor/actions seem wooden because all his effort is being expended in standing there in front of cameras and actually speaking.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I think Lisa looked very well dressed in all the pictures I have seen of her, she always has matching outfits on, she looks very well cared for and well dressed. I do not think she was abused or neglected by mom. I just don't see it.

 

[Tiki]

Yes, he also hangs his head quite a bit. She looks at him often, she grabs for his hand, he doesn't grab for hers. She almost seems afraid of him at times, like you said, its as if she needs reassurance.

I believe now, she may be covering for him. I have done a 360 degree turn around from this morning, and before this is over I may flip back to thinking it was all her.:innocent:

She reminds me of Terri H in the early pressers in the Kyron case.
She kept clinging to Kaine and looking up at him.
She did the same with Desiree. Of course, TH has not be arrested for anything . . .

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[kai]

Video of mother speaking to local reporter as she enters hotel this evening:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

Gah, their whole little "entourage" kinda makes them look very celebrity-esque.

I need a break. I'm going to go sit on my hands. :banghead:

 

[miabellamoure]

Video of mother speaking to local reporter as she enters hotel this evening:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

Again, odd to me that she is the one doing all the talking and not Dad...and why are they staying in a hotel? I think I would want to stay close to my home where my baby was last at...

 

[Cazzie]

I have been asking this since we heard about the phones...and can't figure it out...if they are really looking for the phones this diligently, there must be something though.

Along with fingerprints, DNA...it could be to prove/disprove the couple's story that someone else took the phones along with their baby. Depending on where the phones are found, etc...

Same for the SIMS cards...the data on them, along with fingerprints, DNA...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

seems to me like the mother won't let the dad talk... forget which video - he was addressing the kidnapper... she totally cut him off...

Many are talking of his shift eyes, I am wondering if the Dad himself is realizing that it is quite possible that his wife killed their child? Is that look we are seeing anger/shock???

Here's a post by BeanE earlier today:

Matt asks Jeremy if he thinks Debbie is involved. Jeremy says:

There's no doubt in my mind... there's no way she couldn't have had anything at all...

"No doubt in (his) mind that (Debbie is involved) and (a double negative) no way she couldn't have had anything at all..."

 

[miabellamoure]

She reminds me of Terri H in the early pressers in the Kyron case.
She kept clinging to Kaine and looking up at him.
She did the same with Desiree. Of course, TH has not be arrested for anything . . .

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Except that TH said zip, zada, nothing! Big difference here between these two.

 

[SuziQ]

No SIMS card? Downloading how? For years I have either had a SIMS card or my provider downloads to my phone for me. They must not have been smart phones....which again, brings me to my question...downloading how?

Me and my DS have Bberry's. My son has replaced his several times. Each time the Sim Card in the old phone was ruined (water) or lost with the phone. The replacement phone comes with a new blank Sim Card. He has had to manually recollect and enter phone numbers and other info each time. Neither one of us ever bothers to periodically use an included program to back up the info on our computers so we have it to redownload to a replacement. In the past 17 years of having cell phones and various carriers, none of my phones came with personal info preloaded.

 

[yllek]

If someone deletes text messages from their phone, can those messages still be retrieved from the phone itself?

In addition to time, sender and recipient of a text, can the service provider pull the actual text message content without the phone?

TIA for anyone who knows!

 

[davehead21]

Are they actually staying at the hotel? I was under the impression that they were just using the hotel as a location to give an interview.

 

[marge_rita]

Yes, of course you would, the baby knows it's name by 10 months old. My stomach is in knots - I look at the pictures of this baby and she always looks sick or frightened. I wish I knew more about the other kids - are they from the same dad? They look darker in the pictures.

vlpate,
My tummy's been in knots since Wednesday. The pictures of this child....she is so precious.

Yes, I thought the children have darker skin. Maybe they're part Spanish or African American?


imo

 

[tiredblondy]

I think I have to step away again after that one!!! Please , don't tell me that is TRUE!!!!????
The world is totally MAD!!!!
Now I have that picture of Lisa and someone like that in my mind. I KNOW, I know........it happens.........makes me sick! MAYBE , just maybe , someone has her that is NOT THAT depraved!!!???

Oh yes so sad but so true! True evil.

 

[natsound]

If someone deletes text messages from their phone, can those messages still be retrieved from the phone itself?

In addition to time, sender and recipient of a text, can the service provider pull the actual text message content without the phone?

TIA for anyone who knows!

1. Yes. LE did it in the KC Anthony case.
2. Yes.

 

[LadyPirate]

If someone deletes text messages from their phone, can those messages still be retrieved from the phone itself?

In addition to time, sender and recipient of a text, can the service provider pull the actual text message content without the phone?

TIA for anyone who knows!

If it has an actual provider the messages can be retrieved online if necessary. For the pay as you go phones, I don't know if those can be retrieved or not.

 

[Lera213]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa

comment section:

 

[EllaMae]

While I am still on the fence about the parents....I can see calling for the baby hoping she'd make noise or start to cry. That would be a very normal reaction. I can also see running around in a panic looking for a phone if the cell phones were not where the Mom had left them. Maybe seeing that the phones were gone made them realize someone had been in the house, and that Lisa was in real danger and it upped the panic level even higher.
People seem to think they know how they would react in certain situations, but no one really knows until it something actually happens.

I don't know if Lisa's parents are guilty of her disappearance or not. I just can't see any clear-cut signs yet.

 

[nursebeeme]

I think Lisa looked very well dressed in all the pictures I have seen of her, she always has matching outfits on, she looks very well cared for and well dressed. I do not think she was abused or neglected by mom. I just don't see it.

she also looks like she was standing and even possibly walking (an early walker) especially in the picture by her little play kitchen....

I am surprised they have not addressed her mobility/stated her mobility ((for example could she climb out her crib? My DS did that frequently at her age))

 

[mysteriew]

If someone deletes text messages from their phone, can those messages still be retrieved from the phone itself?

In addition to time, sender and recipient of a text, can the service provider pull the actual text message content without the phone?

TIA for anyone who knows!

That's one of those "depends" answers. Depends on the cell company and the time elapsed between the text and the request. Some companies don't save the info, some save it a few days.