MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[Just K]

Mother said this is the 1st time she had not locked the door.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...police-tough-tactics/story?id=14688581&page=2

Sorry to butt in but what does the door have to do with anything if she said that the baby was taken out of the bedroom window? Is she now suggesting that the intruder came in through the door and left via the window. The whole story, so far, is ABSURD.

 

[mamacita]

to me, it seems as though if someone was kidnapping the baby and had the baby in his/her arms already and there wasn't a stir in the house, there would be no reason to think that a family member would be waking up soon... especially in the middle of the night. so, chances of noticing the baby missing very quickly wouldn't be very high. i would think their main concern would be to get out and away from the home as quickly as possible, not have to deal with the cell phone issue.

i find it hard to believe that a perp would take 10 seconds (or 20, or 30, etc) to mess with a phone that could possibly track him/her just to delay the family 10 seconds (or 20, or 30, etc) in calling the police... especially when he/she didn't know if there was a landline in the house or not. (point being that it wouldn't have really made a difference in timing).

i don't think the cell phones will be anywhere near the home. if they were going to be disposed of, i'm pretty sure that they'd be hard to find, as far away from the home as possible.

..on to watch the newly released video...

 

[epiphany]

Mom appearing gentle, but firm with local reporter. Not gonna be pushed around or intimidated. Just an opinion.

 

[Taminator]

I watched the last posted vid again and again. Then watched yesterdays vid. The dad, is alittle too controlled for my liking. Doesn't mean he's done anything but if anything like this happened when our kids were tiny babies, my husband would have been uncontrolable.

imo

I can imagine my husband being like this. Some men are just really not particularly emotional. The ONLY time I've seen my husband really emotional was when his mother passed away.

When my daughter was 5 (just barely turned 5), one morning she snuck out of the house while I was sick and dozed off on the couch. For whatever reason, I jumped off the couch in a panic. Back door was wide open and I couldn't find her. I got my husband up and it took a couple times for me to get him to get up. I was freaking out and trying to find something "decent" to wear. Long story short, a teen girl found her wandering around and took her to the office where we live. She was only gone at most 30 minutes. My husband left the house without a word and went down to the hardware store and got new locks so now you need a key to get out the back door. He wasn't emotional, he didn't cry, he wasn't panicking. Granted, it's different when the child obviously can't get out by themselves and they have been missing for days, but I still think my husband would seem "emotionally flat" if he was under the same scrutiny. JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

 

[MsFacetious]

Not to seem rude, but this is the 100th time I've heard people talk about the shorts. My kids wear shorts to bed and always have. Could we PLEASE drop it about this baby's clothing!?!?!?!?

Sorry if someone already did this, I started it and then had to leave...

Okay... I have children who LOVE the color purple and LOVE kittens.
I also have a child who does not sweat and wears shorts to bed in December.
So this is kind of my area.

Many baby/children pajama sets are shorts and a t-shirt.
Many have 3 piece sets which come with a shirt, shorts and leggings.
Not everyone puts their kids in footsie pajamas or nighties.
There are many kitty pajamas that come in a shirt/short combination.

I also don't always have my kids in the shirt and shorts that match.
They might wear that purple shirt with an angel... with plain purple shorts. Instead of the matching purple pants/shorts with the set.
So the shorts Lisa was wearing, may not go "with" the shirt.

My daughter is actually getting these for her birthday. The pattern on the shorts could easily be similar to what Lisa was wearing.

This shirt could easily be similar, lighter purple than the previous one (those are kittens, promise.)

Marie is a popular white kitty right now and some parent may not realize who it is. Not all have the name on them.

There are also purple Hello Kitty Pajamas that match the description, also not all have the name on them although most definitely know who Hello Kitty is.
These are just 3 I've seen in person, and two that have multiple kittens on them... there are MANY others. Walmart, Target, Sears, Carter's, Gymboree... etc.

 

[natsound]

Mom appearing gentle, but firm with local reporter. Not gonna be pushed around or intimidated. Just an opinion.

She's a little too calm and even-toned for me.

 

[saba]

She's a little too calm and even-toned for me.

Businesslike is what I was thinking.

 

[IrishMist]

While I am still on the fence about the parents....I can see calling for the baby hoping she'd make noise or start to cry. That would be a very normal reaction. I can also see running around in a panic looking for a phone if the cell phones were not where the Mom had left them. Maybe seeing that the phones were gone made them realize someone had been in the house, and that Lisa was in real danger and it upped the panic level even higher.
People seem to think they know how they would react in certain situations, but no one really knows until it something actually happens.

I don't know if Lisa's parents are guilty of her disappearance or not. I just can't see any clear-cut signs yet.

I have to agree, EllaMae. I also think people aren't taking into consideration the emotional toll these parents are under. I know that as followers of true crime, we've seen some horrible things done to kids by those that are supposed to love them, but we can't lose sight of the fact that it's not always the parents. That sometimes awful things are done by depraved others.

 

[Shelby1]

Sorry to butt in but what does the door have to do with anything if she said that the baby was taken out of the bedroom window? Is she now suggesting that the intruder came in through the door and left via the window. The whole story, so far, is ABSURD.

LE doesn't believe the window was point of entry since the door was unlocked.

 

[natsound]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

This might be a case of extreme jealousy on mom's part. Dad pays too much attention to the new girl in the house. Dad cares about work more than he cares about mom. Mom has had depression problems and decided to get rid of the "problem". Finally, mom will get some attention. JMO

 

[miabellamoure]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15642798/authorities-search-joco-landfill-for-missing-baby-lisa

comment section:

eeks...is all I can say! No wonder the cell phones are key...if that is true...which can certainly be proven via LE/FBI.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Duke







:runaway:

OK, you go to your room and do not leave it for the next hour. And no movies for a WEEK!

.... Ya know, I'm trying to laugh a bit here...because mostly this case is causing the opposite for me. Some of the scenarios people have been painting, logical as they may be, are almost too tragic to even comprehend. Such a strange case. I wish they would find her, but I have little hope at this point. So very sad.

... Coach K is a wuss.

 

[epiphany]

Just a gut reaction, nothing more, from a few videos I've seen...dad defers to mom. Mom has upper hand in relationship.

 

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

 

[SyraKelly]

I got a say-IF they know what happened and they went on ALL shows day after day it will be very hard for people to believe a parent who is REALLY innocent..I really hope they are not playing us!!!

 

[SuziQ]

If someone deletes text messages from their phone, can those messages still be retrieved from the phone itself?

In addition to time, sender and recipient of a text, can the service provider pull the actual text message content without the phone?

TIA for anyone who knows!

Yes, some service providers even have your phone pictures.

 

[swanniee11]

I'm just getting home and found this, not sure if its been posted. I'm going to go back and read. but....... LE looking into a couple in California?

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

 

[natsound]

I got a say-IF they know what happened and they went on ALL shows day after day it will be very hard for people to believe a parent who is REALLY innocent..I really hope they are not playing us!!!

Marc Klaas will be able to tell us if the parents are legit or not. He knows how to read 'em!

 

[tlcya]

sigh. I had work today and just got home. I will never be able to read all I missed. From a scan of the last few pages I see lots of rumors but I can't tell what is actually documented fact in all of it.

Shelby1 when you get a chance can you throw up your timeline so I can catch up on what we know up to now? TIA.

ETA - Shebly how did you know, you are the best thanks!