MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[stilettos]

:seeya: Back on track here, peeps. We will call the pajama/shorts debate a draw.

Another bump for posterity.

 

[annalia]

While I am still on the fence about the parents....I can see calling for the baby hoping she'd make noise or start to cry. That would be a very normal reaction. I can also see running around in a panic looking for a phone if the cell phones were not where the Mom had left them. Maybe seeing that the phones were gone made them realize someone had been in the house, and that Lisa was in real danger and it upped the panic level even higher.
People seem to think they know how they would react in certain situations, but no one really knows until it something actually happens.

I don't know if Lisa's parents are guilty of her disappearance or not. I just can't see any clear-cut signs yet.

I'm on the fence still too. There are things that seem odd but can also be explained so it's too difficult to tell.

We're looking at all of this rationally and calmly, but being in the middle of it and panic stricken, it doesn't seem that far fetched that they called out her name.

Even as far as their interviews, I don't know how much can really be gleaned from their mannerisms, they're obviously not people who have ever been in the media spotlight, probably never even gave an interview. Now they're in the midst of trying to find their daughter, LE is now looking at them. Some people may just not be comfortable in front of a camera, Even if I were innocent I might still be so nervous that I could come across as looking shifty or hiding something from nothing more than nerves.

JMHO

 

[logicalgirl]

Still trying to catch up because the threads are flying so fast....can anyone who knows please tell me what the makeup of the family is? Number and age of other children and is this the original marriage for both and are the other children offspring of both parents in the picture now?

I can't seem to find this information anywhere...and thx in advance. Oh and one more things - the kidnapper took the cellphones or why/how was the mother reprogramming the "stolen" cellphones which was a comment I saw in another thread ...

 

[davehead21]

:waitasec:......:blushing:...:angel:...oh God, say it aint so...:floorlaugh:

And just what kind of pics are you taking that you're embarrassed about?! :crazy:

 

[Celeste]

Okay, the thread has grown like crazy since this afternoon, so I don't know if this has been discussed already...but after hearing that Mom is looking more and more guilty, and that she made a phone call in the middle of the night and such, I racked my brain trying to come up with a possible scenario that would fit all the facts. Because I am 100% sure that Mom is destroyed over this. She clearly cared for her only daughter--there are a kazillion pictures of the baby, and in all of those pics, Lisa is perfectly dressed and groomed. This is a well-loved baby.

The only way that this disappearance makes sense is that someone did steal her baby. And LE is alleging that Bradley has "intimate knowledge" of the situation. I am thinking that Lisa was taken by someone her mom has been in contact with through texts and such, perhaps an intimate relationship that she had been cultivating while her dh was unaware. Maybe it was one of those online baby sites where she posts altogether too many cute pictures of her baby, piquing the interest of someone who could pretend to be interested in mom romantically.

I would have thought the abductor could have been maybe another woman who desperately wanted a beautiful baby, but the fact that all this happened on the first night the husband worked the graveyard shift makes me think that Bradley invited someone over that evening. And that 2:30 a.m. phone call fits right into this theory.

If mom has lots of romantic texts on those phones, then of course she would want to get rid of those cell phones. And although she would definitely want to report her baby being stolen, she would be deceptive about anything else. And by this time, LE has surely gotten a hold of all the messages and has probably revealed them to Irwin, which explains why he has fallen silent and refuses to look at the camera now.

I'm still rather new to all of this. Please let me know if this sort of speculation is out of line.

 

[tlcya]

Can I ask about the call at the house at 2:30 am mentioned on Fox? Do we know where they got that info and if it is substantiated by LE? And is it mentioned which phone this call came to? Off to go do some reading.

 

[SyraKelly]

IDK-Could this have been a staged kidnapping to make money-like with interviews,donations etc..I am again thinking out loud!!

 

[Lera213]

Do you mean between the mother's family and the dad's family?

Yeppers

 

[nursebeeme]

be very careful with bringing facebook and comment rumors over to websleuths... thanks peeps:rocker:

bumping this up just in case anyone missed it

 

[raeann]

Me and my DS have Bberry's. My son has replaced his several times. Each time the Sim Card in the old phone was ruined (water) or lost with the phone. The replacement phone comes with a new blank Sim Card. He has had to manually recollect and enter phone numbers and other info each time. Neither one of us ever bothers to periodically use an included program to back up the info on our computers so we have it to redownload to a replacement. In the past 17 years of having cell phones and various carriers, none of my phones came with personal info preloaded.

O/T....but a good helpful hint....my niece's method I recently saw her using....she posted on FB that she had to replace her phone and asked her friends to text her their name so that all she then had to do was save their number from that text rather than locate their numbers & type in the phone number and name manually one by one.

 

[mum]

Hello all, been a while since I have been on. Been lurking and watching this case. I know some of you have mentioned the dad and his eyes. While watching I keep thinking about a profiler who would say "shifty eyes" "looking away" "no eye contact".

When I look at the first pic of baby at door with both brothers, I keep thinking, why does her brother have his hand raised? Why would that be a pic of all the gorgeous little pics that are out there of her, be one of the first shown? Maybe because in the glass you can see mom taking a pic and it may say,,see I love my child.

Wonder if there was a baby monitor in baby's room and if it was on? Esp if she was sick. On the thought of baby being sick, I would have fully expect mom to tell who ever has baby that she needs meds, what she takes, take her to a doctor, get her care. But I have heard none of that out of this mom. Maybe this is too far fetched, but it would be one of my concerns for my babys welfare.

I have not heard of anyone else saying when they saw baby last, only parents. I think about this when thinking maybe dad did something prior to going to work (believe someone said something similar).

Aren't these parents on a social network? I can't find anything.

I didn't really understand why programming your phone had anything to do with leaving it on the kitchen counter. If my dh was away for the first night at work, my cell would be next to me regardless of programming.

I am in agreement with so many all the lights being on in the house. That makes no sense what so ever.

If LE had made a statement about me as a parent not cooperating and I really didn't have anything to do with my childs disappearance I would be begging to work with them. You don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Watching mom,,man can the tears get to my heart, I am having a hard time not believing her. But dad,,,,back to shifty eyes. The only time I heard anything in his voice that was assertive was when he stated he wasn't taking anymore questions from LE, or was done with LE. Everything else was to bland. When I heard his first statement I wanted to do a search for a paper of what to say if you have a missing child, felt like there must be a protocol type paper out there on the net. If that was me, I would have spoke from the heart. But then again, that would be me.

 

[MsFacetious]

Yes, of course you would, the baby knows it's name by 10 months old. My stomach is in knots - I look at the pictures of this baby and she always looks sick or frightened. I wish I knew more about the other kids - are they from the same dad? They look darker in the pictures.

Lisa's two older brother's are from Mom's previous relationship, yes.

Sick or frightened? :waitasec:

We must be talking about a different baby? Or else I've missed A LOT. :waitasec:

Aliayah Lunsford certainly fits that description... but Lisa??

I have seen no pictures where she looks sick or frightened. (I am a photographer if that is relevant. I look for pictures.)

I have seen a few pictures where she isn't smiling, just chilling and a few where she looks like she is plotting something... :floorlaugh:

The majority however, she is a happy, healthy looking baby. :seeya:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.126817574090853.18514.125929840846293&type=1

 

[iamnotagolem]

OMG This shorts thing is driving me nuts. It's so dang offensive to say "oh she was in shorts, they are killers" Seriously??? It means nothing, they are just as guilty for dressing her in purple, everyone knows if you dress your kid in purple in october that you don't really love your kid. Do you realize how ridiculous the shorts thing is? For those that say "well they weren't described as pajamas", if someone asked what my kids wore last night I'd say "green & white striped pants and purple shirt that says 'my mom & dad rock'". It was a matching pajama set, but who the heck cares if it was pajamas or not? They need an accurate description of her clothes, not what style.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Can I ask about the call at the house at 2:30 am mentioned on Fox? Do we know where they got that info and if it is substantiated by LE? And is it mentioned which phone this call came to? Off to go do some reading.

It came from a story linked early this morning. It was the first one to say the mother failed the LDT and a call was made at 2:30 am by the mother. They quoted an unnamed source close to LE.

 

[matou]

IDK-Could this have been a staged kidnapping to make money-like with interviews,donations etc..I am again thinking out loud!!

I was thinking about this as a possibility and hope it's the case since baby Lisa would be alive somewhere. The fact that the family is only dealing with FOX news and not speaking with anyone makes me suspicious. Why turn away ANY media coverage of this story. It's their BABY. The lack of posters for their missing child worries me too. Local news matters and her photo needs to plastered everywhere in their area. I just don't get it.

 

[Janeumayer]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

Maybe Lisa's mom wanted out of the marriage. Didn't want Dad to get baby or be able to visit baby. ( For baby's safety reasons). So she faked the abduction through a friend or family member. Cashed in on the news deal for her getaway. Later she will leave husband with her own boy to be reunited with baby.

 

[marge_rita]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

None. Really, there is no reason. When parents need a baby sitter they get a baby sitter. Who calls someone in the middle of the night with that kind of cryptic message?

Sadly this reminds me of Haleigh Cummings. Misty said the lights were on? Lights were off? Phone calls or no phone calls?


Just an FYI--I have a loved one that is 13 months old and is only 26 inches tall and weighs 20 pounds. Baby Lisa is on the tall size for her 10 months.


imo

 

[gwenabob]

Maybe Lisa's mom wanted out of the marriage. Didn't want Dad to get baby or be able to visit baby. ( For baby's safety reasons). So she faked the abduction through a friend or family member. Cashed in on the news deal for her getaway. Later she will leave husband with her own boy to be reunited with baby.

I was under the impression Lisa's mother and father are not married.

 

[mrsu]

Debbie's father has posted on Lisa's FB page: "Baby Lisa Irwin Updates"

 

[DLT88]

Okay, the thread has grown like crazy since this afternoon, so I don't know if this has been discussed already...but after hearing that Mom is looking more and more guilty, and that she made a phone call in the middle of the night and such, I racked my brain trying to come up with a possible scenario that would fit all the facts. Because I am 100% sure that Mom is destroyed over this. She clearly cared for her only daughter--there are a kazillion pictures of the baby, and in all of those pics, Lisa is perfectly dressed and groomed. This is a well-loved baby.

The only way that this disappearance makes sense is that someone did steal her baby. And LE is alleging that Bradley has "intimate knowledge" of the situation. I am thinking that Lisa was taken by someone her mom has been in contact with through texts and such, perhaps an intimate relationship that she had been cultivating while her dh was unaware. Maybe it was one of those online baby sites where she posts altogether too many cute pictures of her baby, piquing the interest of someone who could pretend to be interested in mom romantically.

I would have thought the abductor could have been maybe another woman who desperately wanted a beautiful baby, but the fact that all this happened on the first night the husband worked the graveyard shift makes me think that Bradley invited someone over that evening. And that 2:30 a.m. phone call fits right into this theory.

If mom has lots of romantic texts on those phones, then of course she would want to get rid of those cell phones. And although she would definitely want to report her baby being stolen, she would be deceptive about anything else. And by this time, LE has surely gotten a hold of all the messages and has probably revealed them to Irwin, which explains why he has fallen silent and refuses to look at the camera now.

I'm still rather new to all of this. Please let me know if this sort of speculation is out of line.

Very interesting and I don't think your speculation is out of line at all. With all those cute photos AND the nickname of "Pumpkin Pie" she sounds to me to be adored and loved by her family. So there may be something to your hunch that the baby photos lured someone to the house to steal her. My co-worker was telling me about something she read recently about people 'shopping for babies and kids' and finding their photos on Facebook and other places where they can figure out where the baby lives. And also, it could be that the wife possibly did have a relationship with someone she didn't want her husband to know about and that's the deception showing in her polygraph test. Just guessing. Still a lot to fill in with all that, though.