MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[norest4thewicked]

BBM. Unless there is a new law, used to be in Missouri that LE can interview any potential witness without needing parental permission.

They can't interview children without parental permission unless they are at school or on a public street.

 

[wfgodot]

Sure thing, but I corrected my post. I meant Deborah's son. I think I need some sleep!

That's okay, I read right by it without a thought! Sleep needed here too. (I corrected it on the quote I did when I thanked you.)

 

[stg]

I notice he's holding up for himself and seems distant from mom in his answer.I do think they are homing in on her.The question is

what does she know? I don't believe she intentionally hurt Lisa.I do think she knows more than shes telling them.

Speaking of distant from Mom, I noticed in one video interview where they were standing next to each other outside, Mom is bawling, and he doesn't even have his arm around her and is doing nothing else to console her. I realize they are stressed and maybe he's not the touchy-feely type, but there just seemed to be distance between them. Has this been the case in other videos with the media? Just an observation.

 

[CHICANA]

That's not true. A person who is frightened, confused, shocked, tired, etc, can give all kinds of contradictory or inaccurate answers under pressure. That's how false confessions happen.

Sleep deprivation can definitely cause confusion & memory lapses.

 

[Katana]

Does anyone know what kind of car the parents drive?
TIA

Not sure if it's their car but, seen them driving a black Ford Focus leaving an interview.

 

[Deleted member 718]

It could have been for another property. I'm in FL and that happens.. it will follow you. And i remember reading on here from a verified neighbor they have only been in this house about a year. Would make sense.

Now I'm confused. I thought In-The-Middle (hope I have her name right) said the father had lived there for a few years? I'll try to find the post.

ETA found it! [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7194054&postcount=380"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #3[/ame]


"He bought the house in 2002. She has been around for approx a couple of years. don't know when she actually moved in, though. It was the boys playing outside that caught my attention about 2 years ago. Very cute kids."

 

[belimom]

I just had a thought. Not accusing anyone, just thinking out loud here. LE reportedly does not want a poly from the dad. Dad's first night out of the home for a job. A sick child. Two little boys...

Bear with me - I'm getting there. I just got off the phone with my mom who is alone with our 2 kids this weekend. She said it wasn't going well and they wouldn't go to sleep. DD was crying for us. I finally told her to let them in bed with her to watch a movie and eventually fall asleep (my mother is too old to get worked up trying to get them to bed).

Then a light bulb clicked: what if (I'm just speculating) this is the mom's first night ever with baby Lisa and both boys? Baby Lisa is sick, the boys are active, maybe dad usually helps with bedtime routine. I know my own DH helps tremendously at bedtime in our family. So - what if there was an accident? It's only been recently - last couple of years, maybe? - that they had said don't give Benadryl, etc., to young children, especially to "get them to go to sleep", etc. What if mom finally had had enough and gave the baby something to get her to sleep?

I honestly am suspicious of her reactions - more so than dad's. He seems totally shell-shocked, puzzled, doesn't know which way is up, overwhelmed. Almost catatonic in some videos. I think he is honestly shocked and trying to figure it all out.

However, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction so who knows what really has happened to little Lisa? It could be a stranger, an acquaintance, a family member/friend, or the parents. I feel like a dog chasing its tail on this case.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't know. I feel that the baby was taken and that the problems lies in the fact that one or both of the parents may have knowledge about who took her. I'm not feeling that the parents harmed the child. Just gut....... if there is a lie and I don' t know for fact that there is, I think it is a lie of omission.

I think it is those lies that tripped her up on the poly. For example, she wants the public to know that the baby monitor in Lisa's room was turned on and the mother claims she heard nothing. That would be a lie of omission if, in fact, she knew the baby wasn't really in the bed.

I'm hoping whomever has the child is going to get cold feet and will drop her off at a hospital.

JMO

 

[iamnotagolem]

Father has lived in the house since 2002, mom has lived there for approx 2 years.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm thinking that it was not luminol because if it was, why would they cover it? I've never seen luminol covered. Also, I know that luminol is used in cases where LE fears that blood might be, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that there would be blood on the window, windowsill, or window frame. Maybe that's just me though. I think more likely fingerprint dust or to keep looky-loos from peering into the baby's room.

You need a darkened room for luminol. Fingerprints= no.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol"]Luminol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[luvbeaches]

BBM. Unless there is a new law, used to be in Missouri that LE can interview any potential witness without needing parental permission.

I just can't believe they can interview a minor without consent from a parent or legal guardian, but it could very well be the case. If I see a crime, I don't think I am bound by law to testify to what I saw. Remember that bully guy that was gunned down years ago in that small MO town. Half the town was there and yet no one would tell LE what they saw. Kenneth Mac - something maybe. It was years ago.

I have a friend who is an attorney licensed in KS and MO. I'll see if I can't get her to clarify this for me. She's out of town right now, but I'll shoot her an email and see if she answers.

 

[MyBelle]

They can't interview children without parental permission unless they are at school or on a public street.

I'm sorry. I assumed the 8-yr-old was in school.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Do the parents have to give permission for this to happen? The reason I ask is because I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I dodn't remember Susan Powell's kids being interviewed by LE. The parents don't have to talk. They are under no obligation to speak to the police, so I wouldn't think the police could just talk with the kids without the parents agreeing to it, and if they're not talking, I would be they aren't allowing their kids to be interviewed.

Yes, I'm finding this out. If children are prevented from talking to LE, it makes one wonder doesn't it.
I was raised from a young age to respect LE. Not to fear them.

 

[yllek]

Since the couple has announced themselves as suspects and given MSM interviews about it (and this isn't derrogatory information), just a couple of clarifications to what I believe is inaccurate media reporting (or assumptions) early in the case. This information is only meant to clear up possible inaccuracies related to key parties in the case of Lisa's disappearance and has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

Parents ages:
Court records show that Deborah Lee Bradley (formerly Netz) was born in 76, therefore she is 35 (keep seeing posts saying 25). I guess the court records could be wrong, but more inclined to belive the media got it wrong or they got wrong information from family. MOO. No records showing divorce/annulment that I saw, but doesn't mean she isn't divorced. Her ex with surname Bradley is 10 years younger and Jeremy Irwin was born in 1984, so he would indeed be 28 (correctly reported).

Marital Status:
There was speculation here that Jeremy wasn't free to marry because he is still married. He has no civil court records on file with anyone sharing his last name, but does have custody records on file with a woman who is the mother of the 8 year half-brother of Lisa. It doesn't appear they were ever married. MOO.

Mods: I think this is okay, but please delete if not. TIA!

 

[norest4thewicked]

You need a darkened room for luminol. Fingerprints= no.

Luminol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes...I was commenting back to much earlier in the evening when they first asked about why it was there and several of us had theories. I just threw in fingerprints because maybe LE wanted to be nice and not make a mess in the room. But, I actually know better than that...

 

[EllaMae]

Now I'm confused. I thought In-The-Middle (hope I have her name right) said the father had lived there for a few years? I'll try to find the post.

Dad Jeremy has lived in the house for several years, but Mom Debbie has only lived there about a year.

 

[Mirage]

Now I'm confused. I thought In-The-Middle (hope I have her name right) said the father had lived there for a few years? I'll try to find the post.

Yes, he bought the house in 2002.. the mom moved in a couple years ago.

 

[MyBelle]

I just can't believe they can interview a minor without consent from a parent or legal guardian, but it could very well be the case. If I see a crime, I don't think I am bound by law to testify to what I saw. Remember that bully guy that was gunned down years ago in that small MO town. Half the town was there and yet no one would tell LE what they saw. Kenneth Mac - something maybe. It was years ago.

I have a friend who is an attorney licensed in KS and MO. I'll see if I can't get her to clarify this for me. She's out of town right now, but I'll shoot her an email and see if she answers.

I thought they could interview a child if the child was viewed only as a witness and not a suspect. Could be a moot point because both boys may have been asleep through it and only awakened when Dad came home.

JMO

 

[SuziQ]

All the police have to go on is what the mother told them. If a poly detected deception in her answers, what else can LE do? LE has no idea where to even begin to look for Lisa if her mother refuses to be honest.

JMO

Innocent people fail poly's all the time. LE knows that. How can mom tell LE where Lisa is if she doesn't know? It is not a good thing for LE to get tunnel vision.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I'm sorry. I assumed the 8-yr-old was in school.

JMO

I'm sure the child was in school, but would they be sent to school during all of this mess? I was merely answering the question of whether or not children could be questioned without parental consent and I gave the circumstances where they could be. Sorry to be confusing and sorry if I'm being snarky. I've been here for going on 15 hours with only a couple of short breaks. TGIF right?