MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[Deleted member 39678]

OK so Dad got home at 4am and then in 4 minutes of checking the boys first then the baby dialed 911? Too tight a timeline IMO.

I see what you mean. But what if he got home at 3:55am and made the 911 at 4:04am? 9 mins before calling? Not so bad.

 

[mrsu]

The FBI is searching the landfill again:

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-search-mo-baby-leads-kan-landfill-191826295.html

The couple said police have treated them like suspects and that Bradley in particular has been preparing for the possibility of charges.

Is that normal?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I still have to wonder who goes to bed and leaves cell phones on a kitchen counter. Even if they are new and you have been putting new numbers in. Especially if you are home alone with 3 children. What if there was an emergency with your spouse at work or your parents or a sibling and someone tried to call you and your phone was just sitting rooms away on a kitchen counter. You wouldn't even hear it. I don't know of anyone without a land line that doesn't keep their phone right near them. I never go to bed without my phone on my night stand and neither does my dh. We don't even have alarm clocks. We use our phones to wake us up as well. Or God Forbid someone does enter your home and you are in bed and you hear something. Wouldn't you want the phone right next to you to make a call out? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm just speaking for myself, obviously, but my phone goes on the kitchen counter every night. I have a fear of the news reports that say that you shouldn't sleep next to your cell phone because of brain cancer. Plus that, my husband is on call 24/7 so he has his if anyone has an emergency. But, I honestly don't see anything wrong with having the cell phone on the counter.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I keep thinking the phones are missing because one of them was having an affair and they did not think it would mess up the investigation.

 

[bessie]

Of course you can have a memory of not doing it. You can think to yourself ...How did I not lock that door? You remember that you did the dishes, put on your jammies, and curled up on the couch to watch TV and fell asleep, and later realize that you never got up and checked the doors even though you meant to do it.

Or you can remember that the phone rang as you were coming in the door with your hands full of grocery bags, and you never went back and locked the door because you were trying to get to the phone and put away the frozen stuff.

I suppose it differs between individuals depending on your habits. For me, locking the door is so automatic that I do it without any conscious thought. I even lock my husband outside about once a month or so if we're both out in the yard and I come in before him. If I ever did forget, I'd never remember that I had forgotten.

 

[Janeumayer]

I've been thinking about the crib issue. Maybe the FBI took the whole crib with them as evidence? Maybe the one in the pics is a lent one?

Lastly, Lisa's cold and cough worries me. What if she had pneumonia and died from it? Maybe parents freaked out and covered it?

JMOO

 

[CHICANA]

Since the couple has announced themselves as suspects and given MSM interviews about it (and this isn't derrogatory information), just a couple of clarifications to what I believe is inaccurate media reporting (or assumptions) early in the case. This information is only meant to clear up possible inaccuracies related to key parties in the case of Lisa's disappearance and has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

Parents ages:
Court records show that Deborah Lee Bradley (formerly Netz) was born in 76, therefore she is 35 (keep seeing posts saying 25). I guess the court records could be wrong, but more inclined to belive the media got it wrong or they got wrong information from family. MOO. No records showing divorce/annulment that I saw, but doesn't mean she isn't divorced. Her ex with surname Bradley is 10 years younger and Jeremy Irwin was born in 1984, so he would indeed be 28 (correctly reported).

Marital Status:
There was speculation here that Jeremy wasn't free to marry because he is still married. He has no civil court records on file with anyone sharing his last name, but does have custody records on file with a woman who is the mother of the 8 year half-brother of Lisa. It doesn't appear they were ever married. MOO.

Mods: I think this is okay, but please delete if not. TIA!

The court records I found on casenet - her name & at the Lister address says she was born in 1986.

 

[dovebar]

Where is the closest water to this house?

Seems easy enough to take the phones and either ditch the batteries in any trash can nearby, or in nearby water.

When the neighbors reported seeing a "man" with a child matching Lisa's description in the middle of the night just one block over, they said it looked like they were headed towards a house. Batteries could be disposed of in any trash (as could a body, unfortunately) and this person could be long gone in a car with a 2-hour head start on police, no way to track any phones.

It's curious that police said a call was made from the home at about the same time as the child, or a similar child was seen, in the middle of the night, one block over. About 2:30 a.m.

 

[wfgodot]

On the very first Lisa thread I posted praise for MO LE, calling it a professional organization which, along with KS's KBI across the river, would do an top-notch job on this case. I must admit, my faith in Kansas City law enforcement has been tested these last couple days. Here's hoping my fears are unfounded.

 

[grandmaj]

Now I have to test this theory out. I have to forget to do something.:floorlaugh:

Ha Ha OK I'm on call 24/7. So at night I have to take my cell phone and put it on my headboard. At least 3 nights I can recall I got all nice and snuggly in the bed and then said Ohhhhhhh #$$%% I left my phone on my desk. So it hit me not hours later but I remembered that I forgot. :floorlaugh:

But I've also been very engrossed with the forum some nights and clicked the portable phone to change the channel and answered the TV remote too. :silly:

 

[marge_rita]

Now I have to test this theory out. I have to forget to do something.:floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::great:

 

[sorrell skye]

Kind of strange you forget to lock the door but you remember you forgot to lock the door.

I agree.

When I forget something, I forget it.

I think that's the whole problem with forgetting - i.e. you cannot remember whether or not you did whatever it is you cannot remember whatever it is you forgot to remember whatever it is you forgot.

Or something like that.

 

[Cher352]

Yes...that was what I said.

Just providing a link to the video case anyone wanted to see it.

 

[Kakidoll]

Just more info from case.net

JI and sons mom had a custody dispute in -09 that was dismissed by court. Looks like he might not have had custody this whole time.

DB dates do show 1986 as BD in the ones that coincide with dates/addresses. Previous address is same town as parents, 3 of them, then current.

Child Support order in 09 but no dissolution of marriage found.

Both have judgements against them for $$$.

 

[norest4thewicked]

On the very first Lisa thread I posted praise for MO LE, calling it a professional organization which, along with KS's KBI across the river, would do an top-notch job on this case. I must admit, my faith in Kansas City law enforcement has been tested these last couple days. Here's hoping my doubts are unfounded.

KCPD is a top notch agency...they really are. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised when all this is said and done. Well..I guess pleasantly surprised is not really an appropriate feeling, but I think you will discover that they are right on with this one.

 

[EllaMae]

Here is my take on a kidnapper taking the cell phone, for the most part I think the general public is aware that phones can be tracking with cell phone pings, So if someone is going to steal a child, why on gods green earth would you want to have 3 phones on you that could show your point of travel, yes I understand they could be dumped but it is not like you are going to steal them and then just dump them right around the corner from where you took them from, So for that reason I think the phones were not taken or dumped by a kidnapper.

If the intent was to delay calling for help....it wouldn't matter where they were dumped.
The kidnapper isn't going to still be there hanging around anyway. He or she would just dump the phones in the woods or in a dumpster or trash can where the parents can't find them and keep going. In fact, the closer to that home the better because there is no real trail to follow.

 

[Katana]

It would be nice if someone from ABC might let people know if that was exactly how the baby room was or if they straightened it up before the video.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Just providing a link to the video case anyone wanted to see it.

Oh...ok...gotcha! I've been here WAAAAAYYYYY too long!

 

[wfgodot]

I agree.

When I forget something, I forget it.

I think that's the whole problem with forgetting - i.e. you cannot remember whether or not you did whatever it is you cannot remember whatever it is you forgot to remember whatever it is you forgot.

Or something like that.

Reminds of the old Elvis number on Sun Records: "I Forgot to Remember to Forget."

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I have gone to leave for work and found the door locked,my keys hanging in the lock :/ placenta brain.

I did this once when my son was small, I was going to school full-time and working part-time. There was a knock at the door one morning, and there stood a friend of mine dangling my keys in my face. Man did I catch allheck from my friends over it....but I was purely exhausted, had a handful of baby/diaper bag/books and/or groceries, went to put stuff down...and promptly forgot to go back and get the keys out of the door. The irony was I HAD locked the door from the inside once I shut it...fat lot of good that did! lol